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Zurreco wrote:
Nach wrote:
Interesting points you bring up. Any reason why the rest of you aren't doing the same and perhaps thinking I am right?
Uhh, you are the minority in this situation
And this matters why?
Zurreco wrote:
and everyone is telling you that Game Boy is more accurate than DMG.
Since when did I ever argue that point?
Zurreco wrote:
Therefore, you calling it DMG instead would be fallacy
There is nothing wrong with using any official term I choose to.
Zurreco wrote:
making you wrong, making the majority "right."
I am using an official term. There is nothing wrong about that. The majority not accepting the official term makes them wrong.
Zurreco wrote:
Xkeeper wrote:
However, Nach, DMG could potentially be any dot-matrix game. See also Game Gear, Neo-Geo handheld, etc.
Do I need to mention yet again the picture from page 1?
Here it is again for those that missed it:
If you want to think of it to refer to anything else go right ahead. Although from contexts such as playing a DMG game in VBA or Nintendo's DMG should make the exact application apparent.
Zurreco wrote:
whereas GBX refers to the Game Boy line
I'd like you to prove that statement.
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DK64_MASTER wrote:
Nach wrote:
In no cases except a matter of court or voting should a decision be based solely on the amount of people saying one way over another.
Then we should get an offical court with unbaised judges. I nominate JXQ and Fabian.
Your nomination is faulty on the basis of the judges being an even amount and thus no tie breaker can occur. It is also faulty to use anyone who has any preconceived notions on the matter.
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Zurreco:
Interesting points you bring up. Any reason why the rest of you aren't doing the same and perhaps thinking I am right?
I put all rebuttals to all the relevant posts mentioned before points were repeated. If you prefer to ignore them that is your prerogative.
I have thought over whether I am right or wrong, and I will stick with official documents over anything a non Nintendo representative has to say about it.
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In no cases except a matter of court or voting should a decision be based solely on the amount of people saying one way over another.
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Zurreco: Being the majority doesn't make you right.
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What? How dare you beat JXQ's run?
Nice job though, I look forward to seeing this published :)
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As JXQ pointed out those listed there are official abbreviations. Nintendo has also cited that GCN is an official acronym.
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JXQ wrote:
Nach wrote:
I try communicate technical terms in a precise manner. It is not my fault if the other person can't grasp the technicalities, subtleties, and context of the conversation at hand. If they have trouble they are welcome to question. I will continue doing my job.
Wow. So basically, you are saying "I'll communicate in the way that is easiest for me, and if others are confused, it's not my fault for using a term that is uncommon, it's the other person's fault because they don't understand what I typed."
No, I'll communicate in the way that I learned which I feel is the best for learning from. It is the other persons fault if they choose to instead not to learn.
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Nach wrote:
I suggest you look at that picture I posted again.
Do you know what an acronym is? "A word formed from the initial letters of a series of words." DMG is not an ACRONYM for Game Boy, because Game Boy doesn't even have a D in it.
Yes you are right, I'm sorry. I meant to say Abbreviation. See, this is what happens when one isn't precise.
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And you're trying to say you don't treat these people like they are idiots?
I'm not trying.
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Bisqwit wrote:
I wonder if you call Windows XP, Chicago...
I call it NT 5.1. However if you were to discuss Memphis, Cairo, or Longhorn with me, by all means go right ahead.
And BTW, Chicago is Windows 4.0 AKA Windows 95.
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kwinse wrote:
My question is this: which is better, precision of the acronyms in your message or communication of your message?
As a teacher precision of what I say is extremely important. I can't alter the subject to make it easier to understand. The subject is unchangeable. The most that can be done is elaboration and to answer questions.
kwinse wrote:
I, like many others, have never heard of the official abbreviation for a Game Boy, and I'm fairly certain that if you contact Nintendo and use the acronym "GB" to stand for "Game Boy" that they will know you are talking about the popular handheld gaming platform.
I know what you're talking about as well, yet I don't approve of it. I'm sure if you call and and want to discuss the DMG with them, I'm sure they'll understand you too.
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Fabian wrote:
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Fabian wrote:
However, don't you agree that coming down so hard on these people, calling them "a bit of an idiot" and other things, might be a bit unreasonable?
I don't feel I'm coming down hard on these people. In fact I applaud those with the courage to ask for an explanation on a part they misunderstood given they had a valid reason for doing so. Those that never owned a DMG or missed the context are entitled to ask. However those who continually forget or aren't paying attention when they're supposed to need to be dealt with accordingly.
That's great Nach. Don't you feel it hurts your credibility when you completely change your words in between posts like this though? I know I'd feel that way, and was just curious if we were on the same page on that issue.
I always use DMG in IRC, when someone asks, I post a link to that image I did above. I do not call them a bit of an idiot. You for some reasoned inferred from my rationale that I call these people a bit of an idiot when they ask.
Phil wrote:
Nach: Why should people care? It's a Game Boy, it's meant to be played with. It's not meant to be dissambled and studied. They don't care, I don't care, but YOU care. And we don't care that you care. :P
They don't have to care. And quite frankly I don't care what the official acronym is. I do however care about being precise.
JXQ wrote:
Nach, regardless of official terms, I still say that the purpose of a forum is to convey ideas to each other. Your persistence on using a widely non-understood acronym is not helping this purpose.
It seems you are more concerned with being "right" than communicating effectively.
I try communicate technical terms in a precise manner. It is not my fault if the other person can't grasp the technicalities, subtleties, and context of the conversation at hand. If they have trouble they are welcome to question. I will continue doing my job.
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And DMG isn't an acronym for Game Boy, it's an acronym for Dot Matrix Game. I don't see DMG and Game Boy as interchangeable simply because DMG is the product code of Game Boy, unless, as I stated earlier, you are working in a warehouse and shipping codes matter. This is not the case.
I suggest you look at that picture I posted again.
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Phil wrote:
I've never seen DMG, or rarely, in Nintendo Power magazines.
You haven't been looking then. Please don't force me to crack out a scanner.
Phil wrote:
I am 100% sure I will ask someone what a Dot matrix game is and he won't know but if I ask a Game boy, yes, he will.
Then ask what a DMG is, and when they don't know and then you can educate them.
Fabian wrote:
However, don't you agree that coming down so hard on these people, calling them "a bit of an idiot" and other things, might be a bit unreasonable?
I don't feel I'm coming down hard on these people. In fact I applaud those with the courage to ask for an explanation on a part they misunderstood given they had a valid reason for doing so. Those that never owned a DMG or missed the context are entitled to ask. However those who continually forget or aren't paying attention when they're supposed to need to be dealt with accordingly.
Phil wrote:
Nach wrote:
As informed people are or aren't, GB is an invalid term.
Don't agree.
We are not discussing something which up for an opinion, we are discussing a matter of fact. DMG is the official acronym everything else is not and you have no say in the matter.
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Fabian:
As informed people are or aren't, GB is an invalid term and thus wrong to use. It is also wrong of us who knows the correct term to use it. If more of us who knew the proper terms used them, we wouldn't be having this conversation now of the term not being recognized enough.
JXQ:
I don't treat people like idiots if they don't know (but your perception of my actions is subject to your own interpretation), however I hold by my statement that you have to be a bit of an idiot (and not a full fledged idiot) to not notice a DMG on your Game Boy if you owned it for a while.
And as I said above, it's called a Game Boy, but the acronym is DMG. It will be marketed of course under it's full name, but in many official texts you will see it referred to solely by it's acronym.
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I'm from New York, when I was young, with friends, and we discussed our systems and stuff, we always referred to it as a DMG. I've used Gameboy in conversation too, but in writing an acronym is easier.
As for where some of this came from, I went to a private school, and we were very meticulous about precision in speech. I believe in allowing laxness in speech generally, but if it's a technical or important manner in anyway, I believe in fully upholding precision to the highest standards possible for the current situation.
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JXQ wrote:
All I ask is that if you want to be so stubborn about using a confusing term, don't treat people like they are idiots when they don't know what it is. You have no right.
It wouldn't be confusing for you if you actually took the time to notice what you were working with. How could someone own a Gameboy for years and not notice it clearly says DMG on it?
Someone is a bit of an idiot if they get involved with something and don't even take the time to understand or learn about what they're getting involved with.
This almost makes me feel like how I felt day 1 of C++ this year. I start explaining what C++ is and one student asked me a question roughly: "What is this computer doohicky you keep mentioning?"
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Look at your issues closer then. A quick place to look is the back page where it listed games reviewed in other issues, it'll list DMG, NES, or SNES as the system next to the game name.
It was also mentioned several times in Player's Pulse in letters sent in when people listed which systems they owned/wanted/favorite/whatever.
And I will not call it "GB", I am not a heretic.
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DMG is written all over my Gameboy and every Gamepak I own.
Every issue of Nintendo Power regarding it which was like issues 18 to 65 or something refered to it as DMG everywhere.
Every developers resource calls it DMG.
GB is not recognized in any official material I have.
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JXQ wrote:
(1) I don't see the attraction of multi-game TASing myself, but more importantly, it shouldn't become a standard of judging single-game TAS's. Not to say that is what has happened here, but it could easily lean that way at some point. A single game TAS should be treated as such, and same with dual/multi-game TAS's - don't compare them to each other. With comparison brought in, we could reject all multi-game TAS's by saying the individual games' TAS's are more precise...but that's the whole point.
I only brought it up because the submitter decided to inform us that two games were found on the cartridge unnecessarily. It might make one assume just seeing the topic title that it's another MMX+MMX2.
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(2) Said it before and I'll say it again - the only thing that the term DMG does is needlessly confuse people.
That's people's fault for not knowing their acronyms.
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This would have been more exciting if you were submitted a VBM which could complete both Dr. Mario & Tetris Attack, both of which were available for DMG.
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I really don't like the whole bumping thing. However I would like to mention that I really would like to see some of the stats I listed in the first reply to this thread. They seem to go hand in hand with some of the other stats there, and in some cases help clarify the statistics of the other ones.
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primorial#soup wrote:
Not to be picky, but would it be possible to change the movie description to something that actually describes the movie?
Well tell me what you want, and I'll add it.
primorial#soup wrote:
Perhaps mentioning the shadow ninjas
That was mentioned.
transcends to outer space and steals the options from Gradius
primorial#soup wrote:
the variety of weaponry
Can you list some of them?
primorial#soup wrote:
and perhaps that the setting is ancient Japan (which, although similar to outer space, is not quite the same).
It doesn't say the setting is outer space.
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creaothceann wrote:
Nach wrote:
BoltR wrote:
creaothceann wrote:
BoltR wrote:
Heck, the emulators have a hard enough time keeping sync running a video back using it's own cores, let alone a trying to play back movies on other emulators. It's just not feasible. It's not the movie format which causes these problems...
Afaik it is, since it's frame-based. :/
You know that the desyncing is sometimes more than just a missing frame of input right? Sometimes the RNG is in a different state and causes things to behave differently in the game. It goes much deeper than 'The controller isn't polled on the same frame anymore'.
I've tried telling him that before, he doesn't want to listen.
Because I don't necessarily accept someone else's stance if I don't know their reasons.
I didn't know/couldn't imagine how exactly a controller-port-based format would still have desyncs. It was explained in greater detail now.
I told you the reasons already, it should also be obvious. When the input is received doesn't matter if it's being handled completely differently. You of all people should know emulators act differently for all sorts of stuff.
Take FEoEZ for example, in ZSNES the first fight always has the enemy open with the missile attack, and in Snes9x it's always the lazer attack. The input is going to be for the wrong situation.
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BoltR wrote:
creaothceann wrote:
BoltR wrote:
Heck, the emulators have a hard enough time keeping sync running a video back using it's own cores, let alone a trying to play back movies on other emulators. It's just not feasible. It's not the movie format which causes these problems...
Afaik it is, since it's frame-based. :/
You know that the desyncing is sometimes more than just a missing frame of input right? Sometimes the RNG is in a different state and causes things to behave differently in the game. It goes much deeper than 'The controller isn't polled on the same frame anymore'.
I've tried telling him that before, he doesn't want to listen.
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Okay, some MEncoder 101 then.
mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -mc 0 input.avi -o output.avi
This copies the video input.avi into output.avi, -oac is output audio codec and -ovc is output video codec. -mc 0 says audio and video should stay synced.
Instead of -oac copy, you can use -nosound and get no sound.
For the output file, first pass video encoding shouldn't use sound, and output should be sent straight to null. "-o nul" on DOS/Windows, "-o /dev/null" on everything else.
To compress with xvid, change the ovc to xvid, and add a new option -xvidencopts with appropriate parameters. "-ovc xvid -xvidencopts fixed_quant=2" Will use xvid with almost lossless quality. For 2 pass, and example: "-ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=1:bitrate=350" second pass would be the same but pass=2.
To compress with x264, change ovc to x264 and set -x264encopts. "-ovc x264 -x264encopts qp=0" will compress at a practically loseless setting. For two pass: "-ovc x264 -x264encopts pass=1:bitrate=200" and for 2nd pass set pass=2.
For compressing audio with MP3 change the oac to mp3lame. Then pass appropriate settings to -lameopts. Example: "-oac mp3lame -lameopts aq=0:preset=96:mode=1". That's audio quality at 0 (the highest) bitrate at 96, with joint stereo.
To rip from a DVD, specify "dvd://" as input, also note that order of options generally doesn't matter.
Here's an example of something I tried:
mencoder dvd:// -alang English -nosound -ovc x264 -x264encopts pass=1 -vf crop=720:352:0:62 -o /dev/null
mencoder dvd:// -oac mp3lame -lameopts aq=0:preset=96:mode=1 -af volume=5:sc -ovc x264 -x264encopts pass=3:bitrate=640 -vf crop=720:352:0:62 -o "/home/nach/rip/movie.avi"
-alang is used to select the language from multilingual DVDs. -vf is for video filters, I used crop to get rid of black bars. If you use "-vf cropdetect" mencoder can find the black bars for you and tell you what to pass crop. -af is for video filters, volume allows you to raise the volume by 1-15, sc is to scale the audio.
Now that you got all that info go off and play, shouldn't be hard.
For more help:
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#encoding-guide
Although you may prefer Russian:
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/ru/MPlayer.html
Spend some time on this, and after you played around a bit with reencoding some vids, or ripping some DVDs, get back to use and we can focus on more video game oriented ripping.
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If you want to think of it to refer to anything else go right ahead. Although from contexts such as playing a DMG game in VBA or Nintendo's DMG should make the exact application apparent.