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Bisqwit does a lot to make sure people can contribute. Heck, he coded most of the site from the ground up.
What we don't need however is subpar help, and like most programmers, Bisqwit is somewhat of a perfectionist.
If we added 20 encoders that just produced grainy videos, it wouldn't really help anybody. And we have had several people encode AVIs for us, some of which we have published, however this is after screening, not every video submitted by people who have submitted before is acceptable.
Bisqwit made me recode my initial video 4 times before he accepted it. And even today he still gets on my case from time to time. I even had to edit VBA myself to meet our standards.
We all want more help, but not everyone is qualified, or sometimes their help is accepted, sometimes not. We have provided a wealth of information on this website to get the ball rolling a bit. But some people don't have what it takes, proficient computer knowledge is required, sometimes programming skills, and even then you may have to be bootstrapped off someone else for a while.
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What are you serious? Why? Channel has been dull lately with out you.
I haven't seen anyone lately joking about TAS'ing their driver's ed test.
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Bisqwit:
I'm not saying publishers must take verbatim from submissions, nor should they most of the time.
However it helps if the player provides a basis for the required info. And surprisingly enough JXQ's last submission I published, I took his screenshot and went to shrink it, and all my tools said it would make it larger. So obviously some players know what they're doing.
We as publishers just have to make a call, and at times can have work cut out for us if the player did a bit of homework.
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We have way too many of those on the site. Personally I try to make something up for every run I publish no matter what.
Hence why there's a discussion thread associated with each submission, and players can edit their submissions.
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Okay, I split the thread to give us some sanity.
As I said, a lot of it boils down to whether the publisher has the ROM or not.
Yes I do have a problem of applying blame on others to myself, sometimes I seemingly seek it out, yes I am seeing a doctor regarding this. However this not being the first time that some there are publishing issues posted in accordance with people complaining about my upload.
Well prior to that, do you know how to use a command line?
Yes this is the Anti-Nach thread, and I felt such Anti-Nachiness should be posted here instead of there as mentioned above.
I am listed in that thread, and the Maza Vs. Nach HoD AVI non issue is listed there, so what am I to expect? Although I thought we resolved this some posts earlier.
No, that's what other people are complaining about.
Um it is. No matter how paranoid you are, you aren't paranoid enough. And even if you are very paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
I would hate to lose the honor of encoding one of your runs, nor would I shirk my responsibility of one of the site maintainers like that. You aren't irritating me. The no seeds/slow upload/publishing issues always posted when I encode and release an AVI is what is irritating me. If you didn't intend to bring this up in accordance with this, it should have been posted earlier. Regardless, I am also an encoder/judge/operator/moderator/publisher/editor of this site so anything negative said about any of those groups applies to me. Regarding encoding, I've decided to only take on a small segment (DMG, AGB), and would like to think I'm doing my job reasonably well.
And also, JXQ, why aren't you in IRC lately?
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It could speed up publishing a bit if Players included a screenshot and a description of the run which can go on the main page in their submission text. Kudos to JXQ for usually supplying such info on his submissions.
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I liked the beginning of the run, but towards the end, the same areas over and over again bored me.
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What's sad is that I look at the movie news page and I see 3 of the random images that popped up are the generic ones and all in a row.
You're Welcome.
Have you read the last two pages at all?
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Thanks for appreciating.
As for there being problems, yes there are some, but I don't think it's hey let's both encode the newest Mega Man run. Do realize not everyone has every rare game submitted and it's just a matter of statistics that the more popular the game, the more likely a publisher has it, and the more likely it'll be encoded. Same holds true if it's a run for a game already containing a movie on the site.
Judging from the queue we just need more encoder/publisher people for NES that have rarer games. Publishers do get around to rarer movies but you have to realize the rarer or longer the game is the longer it'll take till it gets published.
Thanks, I feel better. Now quit arguing and get back to TAS'ing.
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I'm aware, but for the first time in this thread someone requested that I stop encoding videos.
True, but I'd somewhat think people who do appreciate it would say something here against all the people always complaining. Since I see no argument, it seems like no one actually wants me to encode anything.
Uh huh, this is the 3rd time a new thread was created about inefficient publishing system or publishers not using super seeder or whatever stupidity immediately after another fight about my upload speed. If this was posted last week it would be one thing, but no it was posted in response to this thread.
Perhaps, but I only handle encoding for two systems at the moment, and feel I'm doing a decent job, yet I see a thread telling me all my work is for naught.
Which isn't true.
Yet it relates to the seeding of this movie and what happened, and spliting the posts in two is just off topic over there. It would be best if perhaps I split these posts off into another thread.
I will now answer from there what applies to here.
So you'd rather I'd publish an AVI with bad text so people can rip off your movie? The example here is misinformation caused by people who weren't in the channel spreading rumors without verifying anything.
Personally, I put a lot of effort into publishing. I try within 10 minutes of every video I publish to make sure a screenshot, classes, and description text is up. I also try to make sure if possible naming styles is consistent with other movies of the same game/series if applicable so they appear near each other. I also try at times to link various runs together. It's not a 5 minute process, and yet I do it. I even do it for runs I haven't encoded, and I've published runs for movies I did not encode roughly half the proportion of movies I did encode.
The more instructions available the better. Although personally I'd love if some of the more important repetitive tasks would be together on one page since I run them over and over again each run and have to keep hunting for them. Such as the btmakefile command with the proper tracker, or the convert command to reduce colors in PNGs.
I also applaud Maza for the work he does. However to paraphrase a bit to give you an idea how I feel after all these complaints.
Lastly, I want to make sure I give a special mention to Nach. What does this guy do? He encodes movies – most of them for the unpopular systems, and not just the most popular ones like NES and SNES leaving the other ones ignored. Then he has a page ready describing the movie instead of leaving a generic screenshot or a "Todo: Describe Here".
Guess how often this happens? Not too much, since the users just make him feel unappreciated saying he uploads too slow, replicates work, and is what is wrong with this site. I can’t believe Nach still does it; he’s even been bitched at for encoding and publishing 5 movies in one day and cleaning up the queue for the rarer less loved systems. So THANK YOU NACH, for your attempts at keeping the queue manageable and the site afloat.
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Here, read the story yourself:
Dec 11 22:10:41 <Upthorn> text isn't showing up on my GBA avi dumps either
Dec 11 22:10:45 <DrNach> Truncated, how many are DMG/AGB?
Dec 11 22:11:00 <AngerFist> This aint so bad: #1379: Comicalflop's N64 Super Smash Bros in 08:08
Dec 11 22:11:30 <Maza> De, i missed the whole line :)
Dec 11 22:11:38 <DeHackEd> that'd do it
Dec 11 22:11:39 <Baxter> AngerFist: to publish you mean?
Dec 11 22:11:58 <AngerFist> yeah.
Dec 11 22:12:09 <DeHackEd> unable to encode super dodge ball: no such ROM
Dec 11 22:12:18 <Baxter> AngerFist: there are like a quinzillion ACCEPTED movies...
Dec 11 22:12:19 <AngerFist> I didnt think it was that bad to warrant a rejection.
Dec 11 22:12:31 <NesVideoAgent> New reply by antd (N64gam: Super Smash Bros.): http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/105933
Dec 11 22:12:32 <AngerFist> quinzillion :D
Dec 11 22:13:03 <Truncated> DrNach: 8 accepted ones
Dec 11 22:13:17 <DrNach> Truncated, which do you think I should encode?
Dec 11 22:13:40 <adelikat> either harmony of dissonance ones
Dec 11 22:13:48 <Truncated> DrNach: or Ninja Spirit
Dec 11 22:14:18 <Maza> DrNach, so can you help me to fix my problem?
Dec 11 22:14:24 <Truncated> or all 3?
Dec 11 22:14:24 <Baxter> JXQ's castlevania run is also very nice
Dec 11 22:14:24 <adelikat> http://tasvideos.org/944S.html
Dec 11 22:14:24 <adelikat> that one can't take long, only 45sec
Dec 11 22:14:24 <AngerFist> But didnt Maza encode JXQ's castlevania run?
Dec 11 22:14:35 <DrNach> If someone can pass me Dissonance ROM, I'll go encode it
Dec 11 22:14:36 <Brushy> yes
Dec 11 22:14:38 <Maza> yep
Dec 11 22:14:38 <AngerFist> Or Baxters Arkanoid run!
Dec 11 22:14:38 <Baxter> ah :)
Dec 11 22:16:33 <DrNach> mmm two Harmoney runs I see
Dec 11 22:16:40 <DrNach> and one looks easy to get out of the way
Dec 11 22:17:32 <Maza> yes it is and would have, but i don't have those status messages enabled in avi recording :(
Dec 11 23:11:07 <DrNach> Man that was fast
Dec 11 23:12:45 <DrNach> man he flys through this game so fast, I barely have any time to put our standard text up
Dec 11 23:28:04 <DrNach> and ve chave one encode done
Dec 11 23:28:36 <DeHackEd> maza is currently sending me my third AVI...
Dec 11 23:33:27 <NesVideoAgent> New movie published! Go and see [727] GBA "maxim" Castlevania - Harmony of Dissonance (USA) by pirate_sephiroth at http://tasvideos.org/727M.html
Dec 12 00:00:04 <DrNach> anyways encoding the next one now
Dec 12 00:00:26 <DrNach> JXQ made it easier by supplying a screenshot for this one :)
Dec 12 00:00:55 <Brushy> You're encoding JXQ's Castlevania?
Dec 12 00:03:27 <Brushy> Nach?
Dec 12 00:03:40 <DeHackEd> quite the filename
Dec 12 00:03:43 <DrNach> Brushy, yes
Dec 12 00:04:00 <Brushy> Maza has that one already encoded
Dec 12 00:04:00 <Maza> DrNach, i have already encoded it
Dec 12 00:04:06 <Maza> http://koti.mbnet.fi/maza-/encoded_avis.txt
Dec 12 00:04:32 <Maza> DeHackEd, yeah :D
Dec 12 00:04:39 <Maza> feel free to change it if you wish
Dec 12 00:04:43 <chewan> Harmony of Dissonance <3
Dec 12 00:04:49 <DrNach> why doesn't anyone tell me these things?
Dec 12 00:05:10 <Brushy> It has been said about 32094820940293 times
Dec 12 00:05:20 <Brushy> It reads in Maza's signature
Dec 12 00:05:39 <DrNach> I haven't been reading the forums as much as I should of as late
Dec 12 00:05:41 <Maza> DrNach: well, from now on you can check that list of mine to see which runs i have encoded
Dec 12 00:05:44 <DrNach> I've also had the flu...
Dec 12 00:06:00 <DrNach> Maza bookmarked
Dec 12 00:06:07 <Maza> good ;)
Dec 12 00:07:06 <DrNach> Maza, although how was your quality?
Dec 12 00:07:16 <Brushy> it was good
Dec 12 00:07:23 <DrNach> There's the question if I should quit my encode which is like 1/8th done and on auto pilot
Dec 12 00:07:25 <Brushy> I can assure you
Dec 12 00:07:26 <DrNach> or just use yours
Dec 12 00:07:27 <Maza> good, at least in my oppinion
Dec 12 00:07:41 <DrNach> I think the AVI I just published was lossless...
Dec 12 00:07:44 <DrNach> and only 5MB too
Dec 12 00:07:45 <Maza> but you can ask that also from De (he has the same file too)
Dec 12 00:07:53 <DeHackEd> which file?
Dec 12 00:08:07 <DrNach> if De has it, why did AngerFist and adelikat ask me to encode it?
Dec 12 00:08:11 <Maza> mm.. Nach, are we talking about the same movie here? :)
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> GAME_NAME="Castlevania - Harmony of Dissonance"
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> PLAYER_NAME="JXQ"
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> LENGTH="00:30:44"
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> RERECORD="54126"
Dec 12 00:09:00 <DeHackEd> yes, I have an AVI matching those specs
Dec 12 00:09:02 <Maza> well then, yes
Dec 12 00:10:46 <DeHackEd> hmmm... the 'this is a tool-assisted movie' appears to be in the opening, not in the actual game.
Dec 12 00:11:15 <DrNach> ?
Dec 12 00:12:30 <Upthorn> it should be overlayed on gameplay to prevent dumbasses from passing it off as their own
Dec 12 00:12:46 <DrNach> DeHackEd, if you are talking about my movie, it is overlayed on the gameplay
Dec 12 00:12:59 <DeHackEd> I'm not talking about your movie. How could I talk about it?
Dec 12 00:13:10 <DrNach> DeHackEd, you could have the beginning of it downloaded already
Dec 12 00:13:17 <DrNach> seeing as I already uploaded 90%
Dec 12 00:13:40 <DeHackEd> you published it?
Dec 12 00:14:02 <DrNach> DeHackEd, the 27 second one? yes
Dec 12 00:14:24 <DeHackEd> no, this is the 30 minute version
Dec 12 00:24:05 <DrNach> As for the 30 minute one
Dec 12 00:24:07 <DrNach> I'm on pass 3
Dec 12 00:24:28 <Maza> mine has been ready for days ;)
Dec 12 00:24:47 <Raiscan> oops
Dec 12 00:24:50 <Maza> though yours migh look better since you are using so many passes
I started it prior to knowing Maza had one, I was going to quit mine when DeHackEd said it lacked the message in the right place so people could rip your movie off. Maza then also mentioned mine would probably look better.
All in all I decided to let mine continue and to publish it. I have nothing against Maza, appreciate his encodes and publish his AVIs from time to time.
I appreciate if you saved us time. I also generally prefer Maza's encodes since it saves my uploads. However every single time I encode any sizable runs all I get is complaining.
Furthermore to add more to it people are libeling me here saying I have something against Maza which I do not, I merely followed DeHackEd's comment of the AVI having improper text. Then there is a whole new thread started on the subject, saying stuff like we only encode Mega Man runs and leave everything else in the queue only encoding popular stuff. I see Mega Man Zero 2 has been in the queue for two weeks now, and I encoded 5 other AVIs instead including Ninja Spirit which is completely unknown. I've cleaned up the complete DMG queue, and half the AGB queue, I was planning on publishing MMZ2 after Operation C and the AVI for this run was finished being passed around.
And JXQ, I have nothing against you, love most of your runs, and am honored to finally be privledged to publish one of your runs even if I don't like the game that much.
However I have the flu at the moment, not feeling well, and it'd be nice to feel appreciated for going on an encoding spree instead of seeing complaint posts, complaint threads, and libel against me.
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The submission engine always had to parse the header. To get rerecords and all sorts of other vars.
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Who said I don't appreciate Maza's? I was told last night in the channel it lacked "this is a TAS" text in the part of the movie where there is player input, which is against our rules, and that the quality could be better. I've also published several Maza encodes in the past.
I even went out of my way to encode this run despite it being large, and that I don't even like the game.
On the other hand it's obvious here people would rather complain. Whenever I publish any sizable run I see a dozen posts complaining and the same arguments mentioned again and again, and usually not even one person says thank you.
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Parsing the header tells you everything embedded in that ZMV. Certain types of additions are also external to the ZMV but work in conjunction with it.
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AngerFist wrote:
Yes, Im 100% aware that Im complaining (you know I totally respect and like you Nach) but I expect to get much better speed when some publisher uploads a run. Getting 1kb/s is in my opinion, very wrong.
Would you prefer I stop encoding runs and just leave things sitting there in the queue?
I guess encoding 5 AVIs and publishing them in one day and expecting a simple thank you is too much to ask.
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Warp wrote:
Nach wrote:
JXQ wrote:
Adding in things like cheat codes, subtitles, and especially savestate checkpoints will make this a much larger problem. Personally I think movie files are a very nice size, especially compared to avi.
ZMV supports all that and is smaller than SMVs for the same movie in the tests I ran.
Does that mean that if a movie is submitted in the zmv format, the submission engine needs to perform checks in order to catch possible attempts at cheating?
No.
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I simply loved Super Metroid that 100% is easily in my top 5 on the site. I've played this game a bit, and it doesn't give me any of the fun feeling of Super Metroid.
No map to know where I'm going, no idea where I've been, I really just find myself walking over the same boring areas over and over again.
The music doesn't feel up to par as the NES or SNES games, as you said the colors aren't that great. The whole level up thing just doesn't seem to fit the game at all.
In Super Metroid, if I knew Ridley well, I can beat him without having all sorts of upgrades, in these games, I have to sit whacking at a boss for 20 minutes because I didn't level up enough. Hey it works for true turn based RPGs, but in an action/platform game it just clutters up the play control and is annoying.
I also felt that some of the new incarnations of the bosses just aren't as fun as previous versions.
Personally I think the whole series went right down the drain starting with Dracula X (although Dracula X itself has many redeemable features).
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As good as this run may be in terms of the game, I think it's too repetitive, unknown, and long compared to some other first time material.
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Okay, an AVI created by Raiscan and myself for showing normal with sonic cam side by side has been released. Note this AVI was not easy to make so show your appreciation by downloading it.
Note my upload is slow, so it'll take a while till you get it, also I'm seeding 3 other runs I published today so please be patient. Raiscan also has this AVI, and he'll hopefully begin seeding it too when he wakes up.
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I am seeding it, if your client is telling you no seeds, there's something wrong with it or your firewall settings.
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JXQ wrote:
Nach wrote:
And lets face it, there were no 2400" televisions anywhere to be found, and you didn't kill Ridley in this game.
There are cooler bosses out there than Ridley :P
Be that as it may, you didn't kill Bowser either, you didn't juggle that body armor with the high jump boots and block<->coin reversal device. You didn't play with a female either. Heck, your character didn't even look human.
All in all, you lose a lot of points in my book.
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JXQ wrote:
Sweet, after one person rated the movie, it's the second lowest on the site! \o/ for the rating system!
You can thank me for that ;)
I gave you a lot of points for technical accuracy, but I didn't care for the run much otherwise, something about the Castlevania seris on Gameboy Advance just annoys me. Perhaps it's the seemingly mindless wander through room after room hitting a bad guy here or there.
And lets face it, there were no 2400" televisions anywhere to be found, and you didn't kill Ridley in this game. And seriously, that pirate guy who posts on one of these forum things beat the game in under 1/60 the time, you really should have gotten the speed booster.
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JXQ wrote:
Nach wrote:
RLE can easily be decompressed and recompressed.
So can non-RLE, like SMV. The difference is that every time I hex-edit, I don't have to do two stupid conversions that I hope keep all the metadata intact.
GROAN.
*Nach smacks JXQ.
You don't need two conversions, ZSNES can play back non RLE just fine.
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JXQ wrote:
Just looked at ZMV.html. It seems that this is true because it's like FCM - it updates only on frames that controller states change. Groan.
No groan or I smack you.
Enhanced ZMV Parser 1.16 Copyright (c) 2005 ZSNES Team
Usage: ezp <params>[<value>] <zmv filename>
<Params>
-co: - chapter offsets sorted by ascending frame #
-cd: - interactive deletion of chapters - not implemented yet
-fc: - pad input changelog
-ff: - pad input full log
-fi value: - pad input for frame #value
-as letter: - auto pad #letter input subtitle generator
Note: the -fc/ff params output should be piped into less or cat
Default: no params - only displays basic header/footer info
RLE can easily be decompressed and recompressed.
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SMV in general. Even if the ZMV has ZSTs in it, and the SMV doesn't have any save states in it.
Of course there's cases where this doesn't hold true, but it's true for your average movie of reasonable length.
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