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Radiant wrote:
It has been brought to my attention that the Vault in fact already contains board game runs.
So that strikes me as a strong argument to <snip>
Me, in the same topic wrote:
Or, it is a mistake caused by automation. It's really not a strong argument for anything.
Remember a common TASVideos adage: "Past mistakes do not justify repeating the same mistakes again".
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Radiant wrote:
So the fact that the vault does in fact already contain board game runs should be a strong argument to, you know, allow board game runs to the vault in the first place.
Or, it is a mistake caused by automation. It's really not a strong argument for anything.
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henke37 wrote:
Quite a blatant rule violation. I quote:
Movie Rules wrote:
It must beat the game (1-level movies are rejected).
It beats the game, doesn't it?
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Radiant wrote:
So we had a four-month discussion on allowing board games in the vault tier, that doesn't have a clear conclusion to it. What is the judges' consensus on that topic?
There isn't much of a consensus, as I still need some more input from a few people on the subject (most importantly, the site admins). I still stand by my post in that thread (i.e. I'll only allow changing Vault criteria as part of a larger site change, the proposed four tier system). If you want to discuss this, please do so in that topic.
Radiant wrote:
Anyway, no vote. In my opinion this belongs in the vault, and if it's not allowed there, it should be rejected.
Keep in mind that this run is an improvement to a pre-split publication of this game, which was auto-split to the Vault. Rejecting is therefore not an option without some other (good) reason. Instead, focus on figuring out what needs to happen to the current publication, as the same would likely apply to this submission as well. Probably elevate to Moons by default.
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Alex76FR wrote:
scrimpeh wrote:
Hello Alex76FR
It depends on the system framerate, which is usually around 60. So a frame is 1000/60, or ~16.667 milliseconds long.
On NES, the exact framerate is around 60.0988 fps, so it's probably closer to 16.639 milliseconds per frame.
OK...
So how to calculate the time of the TAS?
If you know the frame count of a TAS, you can find it by using BBCode like [frames]12345@60.0988[/frames] on the forum. It'll show like this: 03:25.41
Alternatively, you can upload the movie to userfiles and it will show you the movie time.
Alternatively if you want to manually calculate the time of a TAS from a framecount, divide your frame count by the framerate and you'll have the length of your movie in seconds. E.g, 1234 frames / 60.0988 fps = a 20.533 seconds long movie.
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[20:19:14] <TASeditor> it sure is sexy when scrimpy smears molten chocolate all over his body
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Kurabupengin wrote:
It's been a week and nobody has claimed it yet... it's the TAS that uninteresting? Can I cry more...?
Sorry, we have been busy with the runs that hadn't been claimed for two weeks first. It's a bit of a busy time for all of us now, so things are going a bit slow at the moment.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
What does “Re-record count: (unknown)” mean?
It means that the rerecord count is listed as 0 in the movie file.
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Is this movie the verification movie?
If not, can you provide it?
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dekutony:
I understand you invested a lot of time, effort and heart into this run, you're really attached to the game and to the run, you worked hard on it for all this time, so you really hope that your efforts are rewarded with approval or rejoice from the audience.
I think we all have that for the games or runs that we are really passionate about, or spent a lot of effort on. It is absolutely fine to be passionate about your work. However, you just have to realize that while you are passionate about the run due to all the time you spent with it, the audience does not see it the same way you do, and as such may rate it lower than you do. And the tier is, in the end of the day, based on the audience's response. We can't judge based on the amount of effort you spent on the movie because everyone could say they spent a lot of time and effort on their run.
I think the bottom line is that, regardless of the tier your run goes in, you should still be proud of the run and of the effort and time you spent on it. That is more important than what tier the run is sent to.
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More importantly, for a puzzle game to make it to Stars it has to have some room for really unorthodox and creative solutions. Brain Age makes art by drawing images to solve arithmetic problems. Tetris makes art by arranging the blocks by color with heavy luck manipulation and planning, and Scribblenauts uses its expansive dictionary to solve the game's objectives with unusual and entertaining means.
Basically, you have to turn your runs into not just clearing minigames fast, but turn it into a work of art. However, you'll need a suitable game with the required room for creativity to have a proper "canvas".
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Alyosha wrote:
Given that a mega man TAS has recently been rejected, I wonder also about the 'no magnet beam' run. Is there any plausible way such a thing might be done?
There's only one part in the game where the Magnet Beam is required, which is the second half of Wily 1. This part can be bypassed with DelayStageClear, as the published 12 minute run does. So the foundations of the run are already there.
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Samsara wrote:
henke37 wrote:
Are "May contain bugs" and "not deterministic" not big enough flags?
Are "optional", "small bugs", and "safely fixed in time" not implying that it's relatively safe?
In terms of general bugginess or general usage, probably yes.
In terms of sync stability? The instant you check a setting like this, all bets are off.
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Samsara wrote:
To be fair, it does say to leave Advanced Bus Timing on if you're TASing... And the info about the Dynamic Recompiler isn't too clear on the effect it can have on an input file.
That is true, those descriptions are somewhat outdated and misleading. Advanced Bus Timing has no advantages for TASing other than a probably-false statement about its timing being more accurate, or possibly fixing some games of which I don't even know any known cases. I'd just recommend to everyone to turn it off unless there's some game out there that depends on it being on.
The Dynamic Recompiler does say not to assume it's deterministic though, which basically means "expect desyncs" or at least "know that this can cause desyncs". Then again, I'm not even sure now how much of this is true either. I guess it's better to be safe than sorry and keep it off for TASing.
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henke37 wrote:
Accuracy takes precedence over emulation speed for TASes.
I'm not sure whether the dynamic recompiler matters in term of emulation accuracy, though. I don't think it does.
Also, if you wanted to make the emulator run better/faster, why didn't you disable Advanced Bus Timing? That is another, safer speed-up method which seems to have been ignored. Plenty of runs have been accepted with it turned off as it is not actually known whether it makes for more accurate timing at all, and the performance boost is always a plus.
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The dynamic recompiler may speed up the emulator on your PC but there is also a disclaimer that it may cause runs to desync. I guess it's just luck that the movie still synced between you and Solarplex - for some others, like DwainiumB, it is probable that it is this setting that causes the run to desync for him.
Note that this may cause a significant problem if the movie also does not sync for a judge or publisher.
EDIT: Since DwainiumB seems to have fixed the issue, I suppose the run is probably safe.
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Warp wrote:
Actually that sentence is ambiguous. It could mean that NoA are the ones taking down everything, or NoJ who are doing so. Completely honestly speaking, I'm actually not sure which one you are referring.
Well, if one would say that the people who take down those videos are jerks, I'd say you have your answer there...
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Warp wrote:
One cannot help but be a bit amused at how Nintendo has been so notorious in recent times about being pricks and don't caring about fair use, but they themselves don't have any problem in (ab)using fair use clauses.
Spikestuff, one post above, wrote:
It's Nintendo of America, not the jerks at Nintendo of Japan who takes down everything.
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Even if these unused stages were worth a TAS of their own, we won't accept a movie that requires an Action Replay code to work; it violates a no-external-cheats rule that is very much set in stone.
For a run with these stages to be acceptable, it would have to be made into a ROM hack (one that also doesn't require debug cheats) with these levels implemented. And that, as a hack, would require to be up to our standards of hacks - just because these stages are "unused" doesn't make them automatically good. They may be unused for a reason.
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Nach wrote:
I stand corrected then. So the game does try but fail to allow one to stand on it at times.
The Magnet Beam placement requires to be pixel perfect on the Y-axis to be able to stand on it and zip with it. It's actually really hard to pull off non-TAS, which just makes it all the more clear that it is an unintentional glitch and they didn't account for it.
That said, what else is there categorized as glitch and used in this run (or not a glitch and not used in this run)? Just the pause trick in Elec Man's stage?
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Nach wrote:
It's also not like the game makes any effort to prevent you from placing beams near the ceiling, or the player creating and standing on one.
It does, there's just a 1 pixel oversight where you can stand on the beam and still be considered inside the ceiling (hence zip). If a Magnet Beam is actually too close to the ceiling it's impossible to stand on it.
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Spikestuff wrote:
No, no. no feos. It's not meant to obsolete.
Fixed.
jlun2 wrote:
Aw. If the other is a playaround, then I certainly hope a much better playaround gets made to obsolete. The SSBM TAS makes the SSB TASes look bad in comparison. :P
SSBM by its very nature makes for much more entertaining runs than SSB by having faster paced gameplay and having more complexity and room for speed tricks. I doubt that any SSB playaround could hold itself up when compared to a good SSBM playaround.
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CoolKirby wrote:
Are you planning to do the Short Championship? The Long one would be more complete, but its long length would take a long time to make and almost certainly confine it to the Vault.
"Short" Championship would still be a 3-4 hour run. I don't think that would make it past the Vault either. At least a Long Championship run would have the added bonus of being the longest run on the site if it were made.
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Alyosha wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
A few years ago I tried to make an arcade SF2:TWW playaround run, using glitches like handcuffs and all the other things Guile can do, invisible Dhalsim, player vs player fights, etc., although I never got far with it. A good playaround/glitchfest would probably be able to obsolete both SNES runs.
I have a question related to this, and preferred game version in general.
How is the preferred version/port of a game decided? Is there a list?
For example NES Double Dragon is also on this list, but there are surely plenty of other ports of that game, so should I do NES double dragon or the Genesis Version (which also has a published run) or something else?
There isn't really a set rule for this. If the port is practically identical to the original game, then I would say they could obsolete each other. Then again, we do have separate runs for games like Super Mario Advance 2 which plays very similarly to the original game (SMW), so the barrier for considering a port a different game is not that big.
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