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I apologize to the authors, but someone needs to ask this question.
So for everyone else. In vortex there's a total of 24 levels that have to be entered, and 23 of those levels have a vortex.
In Spyro there's 24 levels that have a vortex and the only way to access that final vortex located in Gnasty's Loot (ignoring something, I'll get into a second which will be the query) is to obtain every gem, dragon and egg throughout your playthrough before entering it.
In Gnasty's World there's a total of 4 methods to enter Gnasty Gnorc early; Rat Proxy, Roll Tooth, A Non-Rolling Tooth Method and Behind the Dragon's Head (Coveless).
My question is, in a TAS sense would it make sense to go for Gnasty's Loot vortex to round out to what the authors described as "every end of level portal (vortex)" and is it possible to enter Gnasty's Loot early?
With the second part of my question I assume that Rat Proxy would have the best chance of verifying if entering that level early is possible.
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This might be an accidental knock on the TAS and I apologize for it but the v1.2 update information says "More music and a more secrets!"
Since this a 100% run (and not having knowledge of the game) I assume that this goes for the secrets that exist in v1.1 but misses out on the additional content in v1.2.
I also put forward a question to the creator of the title to see if they can provide v1.1 to the public, since without that we're kinda stuck here with the submission and not being able to sync it with what's publicly available.
Edit: v1.1 will be provided again with separate links.
Edit 2: v1.1 exists on Erik Rosenlund's Patreon. Also they left this information about the difference between v1.1 and v1.2 in terms of 100% when I asked about that version of the ROM no longer existing:
Erik Rosenlund wrote:
I would argue that the current run still counts as 100% since there isn't actually a way to get to all rooms in one run in v1.2, unless you play through the game twice.
Thanks Erik.
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Dangit,
Was trying to let you know before submitting that there was stuff laying on the floor for improvements but I literally missed you by a fraction since you got a submission out.
If you base the logic around the Space Invaders TASes (since that's what this unofficial game is based off of) you would know how to operate where and the timing of the shooting.
Sorry, all the above is wrong since I think the site had a massive hickup on me and didn't show me that it was actually submitted six hours ago (or I've gone insane). x.x
Leaving the above for posterity's sake and I'll try that again.
Unfortunately, there is some on the floor improvements that could be made if you went with the approach of following a Space Invaders TASes (since that's what this unofficial game is based off of) where it's really important to be positioned in a way to get off quick shots and kills.
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wafflewizard1 wrote:
Huh, I had no idea about that rule.
Honestly, was kinda down for it.
Just to reference where that rule is it's here.
"Cheat codes and passwords are only allowed to access harder difficulties and/or bonus content, including cosmetic improvements."
Didn't look for it earlier cause it was like early and I kinda admittedly didn't want to scan through the new site to find the rule. :S
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That is a shame that it would classify this as a "meme" run and in all honesty the large community of people who run vortex would probably be offended!
Yeah, it's like a 6 year old misc category now, and probably the older generation of runners who don't really exist anymore to talk about how it came into existence.
It is kinda of the only reason I still call it a "meme category" is just due to like the history I know with it back in the Sprash days (actually it was close to the separation now I think about it).
wafflewizard1 wrote:
A fellow runner called Hummeldon made an awesome video about the category which might give you some insight into how intense this category is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Tjn9J0tcc
I do recall watching this video roughly when it came out and like there is a lot of RTA history to it from starting as a side category.
And yeah the category is one of the active Spyro categories since it's more of an A to B type run instead of being a tiny collect-a-thon.
wafflewizard1 wrote:
I still hope you enjoyed the TAS and the writeup, was super fun to make.
It was still enjoyable to watch, personally didn't know how to go and vote for it.
I'm down to eat my words if rules do adjust for it, but who knows maybe there'll be more discoveries.
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Nitrof does know of this TAS and I used a glitch he found with the sharp supercharges, though I am probably not interested in Spyro 1 any%.
Ah, that's a shame. Maybe one day in the future if you do get that Sparx of interest (I'll leave).
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Oh hey a Spyro TAS, using Vortex oh that's nice that's like the non Exit Lev--
Goal of this TAS: After using the unlock all homeworlds cheat code
Nevermind.
Honestly, I was kinda expecting to basically see a "no exit" variation of this TAS when it was submitted, until you mentioned the use of cheats... and unfortunately making this a meme category.
Meme category such as this goes against the cheat code rule this site has, and it actually makes it more appropriate as an April Fools submission where all the jokes come out.
Just to point out what I mean by "no exit" the Exit Level is used quite a bit to get out of levels quickly.
So going to end of level by taking the vortex instead of exiting out is what makes this miscellaneous category.
There's always improving the current publication that exists of Spyro which I know that Nitrofski dabbling with that so you might get some information from him if you two contact him.
Other than that, I'm interested to see where you two will actually take Spyro in a non-joke category as you do have the potential.
Also it's not me unless there was a bit of Spiking going on, on the input.
Light Spike of 17703 frames.
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I honestly don't know why the Judging limit was changed drastically to below 24 hours.
You're lucky you don't have speedy Publishers at the moment but a discussion, or something should be made at the very least.
Even like the potential chance that with the new tools that there's hidden room for improvement.
EZGames69 did grab what I do recall from the conversation from 2015 in IRC about this about the hidden improvement but even then, that was too quick of a turnaround from the Judge.
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Using the author's input as the solution, but correcting and adjusting it down to showcase faster speeds, not going for true optimal cause showcasing something.
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Fun Fact, since you didn't know. A literal dot gives the answer 7.
Here's the userfile so you can check it out.
Also I suggest cooling down on that mashing on the screen you have going on before the training course.
Good attempt, but I personally think that Brain Age has been milked dry with the insane drawings
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This has Barney's Hide & Seek Game vibes and as fsvgm777 is more suited to it being an April Fools movie (which it already has been done beforehand).
Abstained.
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Use the published run as a reference point so you can get a better understanding of how to improve this game. If you post your wips to the game thread, I can take a look and see if anything needs to be improved.
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Worst jump that currently exists in the game imho:
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So bad in fact that I'm providing the userfile.
One regret is I couldn't shoot for directly into the door. >.>
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The TAS was made relatively quickly without revisions as there was a visible error at 46 seconds of the encode which is from the first level alone.
It's completely possible to avoid grabbing that can on Pepsi without stumbling on that bush but it wasn't attempted by the author.
I'm curious on what other visual errors exists through the TAS, but I have no interests on watching this at the moment.
There are also hidden errors fwiw, but they're not visually so it's not worth commenting on them.
Abstained vote.
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Light Spike removing 11482 frames of blank input just so people understand the higher time was due to letting the credits run, where input ends at final input instead.
One more to note, this run is unfortunately slower than the RTA world record as the author of this movie is using the "Newbie Setup" which is almost 5 years old strategies but helps first timers to the scene.
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So going to end of level by taking the vortex instead of exiting out is what makes this miscellaneous category.
There's always improving the current publication that exists of Spyro which I know that Nitrofski dabbling with that so you might get some information from him if you two contact him.
Other than that, I'm interested to see where you two will actually take Spyro in a non-joke category as you do have the potential.
Also it's not me unless there was a bit of Spiking going on, on the input.
Light Spike of 17703 frames.
