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arandomgameTASer returns. Oh...yes vote.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Looks like some good points mentioned. For one, I always wondered why the Atari 2600 version stopped after one round...seeing that the starting point was lower on the next. But, the aggression was clearly the same thereafter. In regards to comparing it to the Arcade version...if the code is the same, then it doesn't seem to have any difference and is essentially the same game. Seeing that I TAS a lot of C64 games where trainer/hacking screens precede the actual official game, I know that the staff wants to have the original and untouched versions. As it stands now, I can only recall the rule of allowing this in similarity to using VC to load up a game. Aside from the choice of console/game, I see that you executed this well. I love these classics, and I give you a yes vote. :)
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Simple, but I like it.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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uh...yeah!
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Oh my goodness! I haven't seen this game in in years! Brings back memories of my first Corporate job. (Uh...I was on the PC support team in a secure room where we could plays games and not get caught!)
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Ok...I tested the new TAS and it syncs. Also went back on 2.6.3.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Actually, It is de-syncing here as well. I'm not sure how this happened. I'm going to give it another try.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Ok...I have Re-TASed this, at the request of Samasara. I have to say, I'm a little disappointed with the results. Here is the break down of the new details.
  • Changed emulator to Bizhawk 2.8.0
  • Found a routing error: Instead of completing all of the "Right" side content, I used up my "Chance" first, before completing the final items on the right. This kept the long trek back towards the shuffle, which was swapped out for the short distance to the change.
  • This cracked version took less time to load, but has an IGT routing error.
    • First Frame of Title: 2331
    • Ending Frame: 6535
    • Total (IGT): 4204 Frames
    • Total (overall): 20 Frames Faster
  • This un-cracked version took longer to load, but has IGT routing improvements
    • First Frame of Title: 2457
    • Ending Frame: 6555
    • Total (IGT): 4098 Frames
    • Total (overall): 20 Frames slow
Thankfully, the time didn't get much slower than it did. The new route saved 40 frames. Honestly, I can't explain the reason why this version would load slower. Should we go with the previous version and fix the routing?...even though we have a splash screen? Also, as I was typing this...Samsara just called out a desync issue. I'll see what I can do.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Samsara wrote:
I think that TRIAD splash screen was added by a crack group, as another ROM I found lacked that screen entirely. Would it be too much trouble to ask for the run to be redone?
Not at all. This BOT made quick work of it. I can redo it by tomorrow.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Patashu wrote:
One question: If you optimized for this game's buggy implementation of the... 'Yathzee' rules instead of the normal Yahtzee rules, could you get a higher score, or are the two strategies the same?
I tried different orders, but the flaw seems to come from having Yahtzee's applied to those two "Straights". My guess is, that the logic used for them, doesn't see a straight, when you have a Yahtzee...which is a big mistake in the rules. On the other hand, supplying it with the correct values, will void any bonus obtained for a Yahtzee. I attribute this to limited knowledge, during those years. After-all, I can understand that...since I had a "Hoyle" book of games, which was not easy to determine the correct rules. Now that we have online games, we can play enough until we see the true behavior of them.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Interesting. Never seen this before. This is quite the puzzle. Routing with orientation to consider. Yes vote.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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This satisfies my bubble wrap popping.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Ok...I'm bringing over my "userfile" information to this post, in consideration to feos's concern. The ROM I chose was picked among 3 different sources: *This WIP uses a version that was extracted from the companion disk, issued from a magazine called "Magic Disk 64". Loads directly to the original game content. ROM Name: Yathzee.d64 *Another ROM, Yathzee_1992_CP_Verlag.d64, has a trainer screen...which leads into the original content. *A final ROM reviewed, comes from "Magic Disk 64"...which has a selection screen to get to the game. In terms of speed, the obvious choice is to use Yathzee.d64 (Option 1)...but as for authenticity, what would make more sense for a publication on this site? Ok, so feos has addressed this and I'm going with the version that has the least overhead. I personally like this, because trainer screens and menu operating disks take away from the experience. Also, it obviously destroys a true representation of time. Now, I'm in agreement with the digitized voice being horrible, but it does represent a time when synthesizers were coming of age. To be done, via code only, I think is more impressive...but we have gone way past that time and it does seem annoying by today's standards. Here are two encodes to show the speed difference with "Sound" and "No Sound". So...considering this was a game from 1991, which would make a better showcasing? With Sound https://youtu.be/2zjU33yRgBo No Sound https://youtu.be/JlM9NLZKodI
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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It seems that a submission of Yathzee (Yes, it is spelled that way in the game), has more things to consider than I originally thought. DrD2k9 and myself have been discussing some of these situations. Some deal with the correct ROM usage, the breaking score situation (not an issue anymore, but ensuring that Max Score was technically achieved), and the decision on whether sound or no sound should be used. (Sound causes the game to freeze, when it speaks...but no sound is boring IMO). I have uploaded two WIPs for consideration: No Sound version: https://tasvideos.org/UserFiles/Info/638024475294705722 Sound version: https://tasvideos.org/UserFiles/Info/638024474244653247 Website for the "Perfect" score situation: https://www.gusworld.com.au/blog/2016/10/09/whats-the-maximum-score-you-can-get-in-yahtzee/
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I've been reviewing the rules and I see that "Board Games" are now allowed. There is a game that I TASed for fun, over a year ago. When I was done...it puzzled me, since it didn't turn out as I expected. The game is Yahtzee, and my wife is an expert at the game. I asked her to confirm my moves and she told me that something is not getting calculated correctly in the game. So, my question is...would a Yahtzee game, submitted as Max Score, be accepted...even though the game breaks in calculating it? I'm getting 1535, when we know that the max possible score is 1575. So, my guess is...that the developers couldn't confirm their game to this extreme.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Interesting. I wasn't expecting that! Reminds me when I play people that doesn't understand "En passant"...."Hey! Put that back!"
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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This was very cool to watch. I was impressed how both characters were used creatively and timely. I liked it enough, that I might do a review of this TAS. Great job!
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I've been debating on reviewing this or not. So, let me see if this adds to the conversation. Reviewing...(with trepidation) DwangoAC asked if I would take a look at the technical video stream with Sauraen, on the deep technical side of how Triforce% was approached. Because of that, I decided to use some of that experience to review this submission. This is one of the very few documentaries that kept me watching all the way through. Why? My background is in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science. I program for a living, while dabbling with electronics as a hobby. Additionally, I use both backgrounds to work with such devices as Micro-controllers, where both worlds give me the lowest level of control over hardware. The only other area that I wish to bring up, is my focus on the 6502/6510 microprocessor computers where I am still actively trying to write ML/ASM games that take existing concepts and add a touch of uniqueness to give revival to older and common games. Now that you know a bit about my background, it will be evident as to why I am bringing up points that interests me about this submission. First off, this work is among the best ACE I've ever seen. Even though I understand the concepts behind all the moving parts, there is no way that I could have ever discovered or performed any of this work. It is evident, that the 25+ people working on this and the 21 years to figure a way to inject and execute this code, in obviously a major accomplishment and worthy of high recognition. Second...the creation of these inputs, in regards to matching a human having super capabilities, was a great approach to making this even more authentic. I can't understand the alternate method (which I believe was using injected code to self modify itself), but being able to perform everything directly via the controllers, is a point that I wish to emphasize as having priority for acceptance. I've known for sometime that our N64 emulators are not up to the challenge of faithfully reproducing emulation that matches the console's behavior. So, being done directly on a console is absolutely more important and should absolutely override any emulation that exists. After-all, emulation should match the system. Not being able to reproduce this via a file, isn't enough when we see the proof from a GDQ demonstration on real hardware. Third...the content presented is among the highest demonstration of skill and entertainment...at least it does so for me and my technical side. I am completely blown away by the brilliance of each member, who fought to figure out such a feat. Because I've been given the honor of posting reviews, I think it would be alright for me to give my opinion on the expectations of its classification of entertainment. Basically, any acceptance of this should earn the highest level of entertainment we have to offer. So...I'm not sure that I can say enough about this submission, but I'm going to try and close this out with my points for consideration. *Acceptance: This is a touchy situation. Obviously, the rules don't allow for it. It certainly isn't re-producible in most capacities (IE Emulation, Twitch API interface for custom entries. etc..), and most of us are not going to create a set up at home to replay what we've all seen. In regards to the GDQ demonstration, there is certainly value in having this for the site. I like the fact that Samsara is going to fight for giving this a home...but what will that home look like? *Verification: In this case, emulation is not going to provide proof that something will work. As we have read/seen, N64 emulation is currently incapable of performing the actions needed to have a full movie file for verification. Because this run was done publicly on real hardware, it should stand as a reproducible item...after-all the console is the real application here. :) *Classification: For me, and confirmation from DrD2k9's post, the front end of our community is represented well by our Ambassadors, where the best of the best is showcased where ever they go. Because of that, they give TAS Videos a look of excellence that draws new members in and for people to participate. So, as Noxxa stated...we certainly could use a new category for housing these types of submissions. I know the staff will certainly figure something out soon, but as it stands...we don't have the ability to apply proper attribution for every aspect of a publication. Mind you, that this is a "Work of Art" and among a few entries that should be treated in a special way. Sorry...I don't have any suggestions on how that should be. *Technical: In the Dwango/Sauraen presentation stream...the information was mind-blowing. By the end, it was clear that the way it works (at a high-level), makes a lot of sense. But I'll re-state once again...I would have never been able to discover or recreate any of this myself; however, their approach did remind me of how I have worked, in the past with employeement. With me...when i was given a task, I would watch how things respond and eventually I would figure out its operation so that I could do the work requested of me. With this Triforce% team, they did the same thing...only more extensively. Their analysis was deep enough to recognize how the "Heap" was built for the interaction of any object in the play field. Because of this, the journey to coding that area became the starting point for pushing out the "Bootstrap" injections to eventually produce what we saw. Very fascinating stuff and extremely technical. I could certainly learn many things from this team.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Reviewing.... I originally thought that I could have gone through Winslinator's inputs and have an updated movie by now, but after my analysis of his work...its going to take a lot longer than I thought. In fact, this is beginning to look like my effort for Coleco's Venture...where I have spent around 10 months so far. To start off, Winslinator has put a decent amount of work into this...as it is fairly hard to get ahead and stay ahead. What I mean by that is...in my efforts to optimize Level 1 (which includes 4 rooms), I was able to peak at 51 frames cut, but ending in 43 frames at the tally screen. There are four things going on, that make this game difficult to optimize: 1. RNG is controlled by movement and shooting. Since shooting can cause lag, it is left over to manage it by moving around the screen to get the AI to behave differently. 2. Exiting / Enter rooms. The game buffers inputs, up to a certain point. Because of this, your passage through the doors can hurt or help optimization. 3. Changing direction in this game is completely different, than that of the Coleco version. This version can turn and immediately make movement. Coleco, has a delay of about 10 frames before movement can occur. 4. Routing can make the best difference. Moving across a "Level Area" is faster, than inside a room. For instance, Room 3 of Level 1 can be entered from the left or right side; however, it takes more time to go from the left side to the right side of the room, if you have entered from the left. Even though I was able to find frames, Winslinator's work is very strong. As I started Level 2, I was slowly loosing more and more frames, that I previously found. Once I noticed this problem, I decided to drop out for now and make a co-authored submission later..once I've figured out the problem. In conclusion, this game operates very similar to that of Coleco (as it should, since it appears Coleco ported it over to Intellivision)...where you must complete all Nine Levels. At that point, Even though unique content is demonstrated for Levels 1 through 3, Winslinator completes the game for all treasures up to the highest Level...9. Either way, this is enough to satisfy the rules. However!!! As you progress through each level, RNG has a smaller percentage of changing the enemies behavior, as AI becomes stronger and stronger. Once Level 9 is completed, it repeats over and over on that level.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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First off, you make the opponent look like they are an idiot! Second, 64 cores??? DUDE I considered a Threadripper, but a CPU version that had 24 cores; however, I settled for the 3950x (16 core). It worked for my needs, but dang! I'm regretting it now, since I'm trying to work on a multi-core lua script to distribute the work load for any of my TASes.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Twisted Eye wrote:
Great game choice and nice start, but the run is noticeably improvable.
Yes, I was starting my review of this submission and noticed a few things during the first Level of rooms. I'm currently in the process of working with Winslinator to get an improved movie file.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I have decided that I'm going to review this game...will try to have something within 24 hours of this post.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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huh..I've been working on Venture for Coleco for months. I'm still not satisfied with the results. Maybe I should go through it once more and see if it is ready.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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CoolKirby wrote:
If there's no way to slow down or speed up the bird's horizontal movement, then there's nothing distinguishing this from an RTA run of the same game. Desert Bus had the same issue.
Desert Bus...That was the first thing that came to my mind as well.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence. ---- SOYZA: Are you playing a game? NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing. SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real? ---- Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes? Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :) ---- BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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