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Dang DrD2k9...shooting those ducks in the grass doesn't seem to be fair. Did you ever consider the little ducklings that were left behind after you killed the parents?
Yes vote for clearly making it fast as possible. This means, cutting the "Perfect" bonus in the stages that didn't require 10 out of 10 and affecting RNG in order to bring up the ducks as fast as possible.
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Very interesting game. As you are already aware, Commodore had a massive amount of games...more than I can even be aware of.
Looks great. Yes Vote.
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I have worked with DrD2k9 before and I know the effort he puts behind his work. Aside from the places where the main character gets halted (apparently a limitation of the game), it seems to be optimized.
The Commodore Vic-20 and 64 were my childhood...almost all the games bring back the memories I had back then. So...Yes to entertainment...Yes to optimization.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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DrD2k9 wrote:
EDIT: I put way too much time and effort into writing that.
Yes you did. Worthy of another Yes, if I could.
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I can see that the "runs" don't stop. :) Well, DrD2K9...did you finally find the toilet in this game?
Oh...Yes vote!
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Nice improvement. 508 frames.
I see a bit of difference in entertainment. Nice job.
Yes vote.
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feos wrote:
Lobsterzelda wrote:
You have chance to participate in a frame war :)
I'm for it! These submissions are turning out to be quite the entertainment.
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Well, my rules are the same. Great job...Yes vote for finding more frames.
But seriously? 666 frames cut...did you just stop at that point? LOL
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Lobsterzelda wrote:
Welp... It looks like I just got usurped.
Oh man... sorry dude.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Wow...finally after all this time, MR gets some attention across so many consoles. Way to go on completing this version!
I'm surprised at the Atari 2600 game, it truly shows more difficulty as the game goes on. For Colecovision, it seemed to be barely noticeable from level to level. Well, 3 levels...I can imagine that they had to do something to make it clearly more challenging as it went on.
I'm also jealous that you were able to find more deaths than myself and DrD2K9. One of the problems that we had, is that it took a very long time for the death cut scene to complete. Yours seems to be much faster and certainly worth the effort.
Aside from the findings of Spikestuff, I think you did a really good job on optimization. As feos put it, the game has limitations and any lack of movement is clearly understandable...due to waiting for disappearing objects.
Great job! Welcome aboard, and Yes vote!
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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Not bad, a 918 frame improvement.
You know my rule on voting, and this qualifies for a Yes vote.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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ElGuato84VE wrote:
I had the hope to see at least 1 port TASed and i found it! Thanks nymx and all involved.
Absolutely!
You might be interested to know that I've already updated my original attempt.
The newest effort can be found here: http://tasvideos.org/3889M.html Its roughly 3 minutes and 17 seconds faster.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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Interesting, I never knew there was a version for the Atari 2600.
I see some glitchy moves going on here. :)
Some places appear to be unoptimized, but after thinking about it...these rooms have static patterns that start the frame you enter.
I take it RNG doesn't exist in this?
Yes vote anyway.
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NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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After a lengthy discuss with Aran;Jaeger (EternisedDragon), I decided to create a thread for something that has confused me for a while.
The question is: How do you rate the technical quality of a publication?
There are many different points to bring up and ED has commented on a number of good ideas. Since I don't see any guidelines...what do you think the rules of rating should be?
As for Entertainment, that pretty much goes as a personal preference, but for technical ability, I would like to rate movies with a common ground of understanding. So far, my understanding is the level of effort it took to produce...but in fact, it could be that I don't see any frames to be found (meaning a 10).
So...should guidelines be created? let's discuss this and see what comes of it.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Thanks feos.
The thing that DrD2K9 and I discovered, is that there is a global timer that runs the disappearing chains and floors. Because of that, the inputs are needing a shift of a certain amount of frames; however, that is still not enough...since there is input lag and sometimes a critical input fall within the lag frames that occur ever 5 (or is it 6) frames.
So, entering Level 9 (on a different frame) for the second time would also have to be adjusted in order for the shift to work.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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theripper999 wrote:
Liked this Tas quite a bit. Solid superplay. The Zelda type gameplay seems well done, even if it has some similar areas.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this had a Zelda feel about.
Yes vote.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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dan wrote:
I am a little disappointed that you inserted me into this the way you did. This is Sniq's time to shine, and this thread should be about him.
You are right dan. Even though sniq did an amazing job, I would like to add that the collaboration between the three of you (sniq, EternisedDragon/Aran Jaeger, and yourself), for routing, was also amazing. After seeing some of the early stuff about 18 months ago...I could tell that it was going to pay off in a big way. Now that it is complete, the time cut certainly shows how much effort and knowledge went into this.
Great job guys.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Incredible journey sniq. Very proud to follow along these past 2 years during this creation.
So many differences over the previous version and very stunning discoveries.
Absolutely yes vote!
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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DrD2k9 wrote:
And the route planning would be INSANE!
Absolutely!!!
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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GJTASer2018 wrote:
I also voted Yes because it's fun watching the guy scamper around the screen (and I've also heard that the controls on the Colecovision version are not great to begin with, so TAS really helps in this case).
You got that right, but at the time we used those controllers...we really didn't know any better. So, it was ignorant fun. :)
GJTASer2018 wrote:
I also think it would be worth trying a "max score" run i.e. collect everything you can get to, kill all the enemies you can and find the optimum treasure room run to collect as much as you can out of it. The Colecovision version has an advantage for that type of run considering you're not under a time limit there.
I'm usually interested in any% only, but on rare occasions...I would consider others. A max score makes a bit more sense, but its not enough for me to TAS it. Would you be interested? I would be glad to share the knowledge we've learned from this game.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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EZGames69 wrote:
Also am I the only one that finds it annoying to see an all lowercase name come before a name with capital letters in it? “nymx & DrD2K9” just looks weird to me for some reason.
Well, I know some people are picky about the capitalization of their name...but I can understand what you are talking about. I've used NYMX in other areas...but I think I have a bad case of OCD. So, I better figure out what I want to do with all my submissions...especially that SM TAS I did years ago! LOL
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Nice work on the glitch discovery. Thanks for the collaboration also.
Yes vote.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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Dude, this version is so bad it deserves a no.
But Yes because you are just too dang bold to submit.
Very, very, ugly yes.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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I'm a little late on posting to this but I like what I see.
7362 faster than previous.
Decent re-record count.
Amazing write up.
Yes vote from me!
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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feos, can you please explain the timing differences between the two TASes? I discovered a few years ago why SNES time was not exact due to using frames/60hz. But even though the calculations between the 1.51 version and BH 2.3.1 show a particular time for their submission, I would have expected it to show an improvement of 21.07 seconds.
I'm just curious if this is emulation differences or something else.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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