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Sappharad wrote:
But in the case of the run that this thread is about, you don't see any blinking at all. When Sonic is fighting any of the bosses, nothing happens when Robotnik is hit. You should see him flashing, or at least light up if deblinked. At least for me, it looks like nothing happens at all when he's hit.
It's because it was not deblinked at all. Watch my newgame+ encodes for how it should look like when done right. The boss will look light gray, just like in Gens, just like on TV. If I uploaded 60 fps of that boss, he would indeed be flashing, which (as I said) is different from console, Gens, and devs' intend.
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What I see in the second video with 1080p@60FPS is 30Hz flicker like the source probably is.
If it's 30 fps blinking, you wouldn't see it. You'd see translucent James. But if you really see how he blinks, then it's indeed what I was talking about.
HOWEVER, I have an idea. If we upload 60 fps deblinked footage, it will improve scrolling and still do the translucent job! What do you think? Now we only need to prove that it improves scrolling :D
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Aktan: do you seriously think I'd upload a 30 fps video to prove it's not 60 fps? I used a 60 fps vid, resized to 1080p and blinking on every other frame.
And you didn't post what you see on the second video sample (on Chrome@60).
Otherwise, there seems to be a point about how 60 fps option improves scrolling and stuff like that. I saw one example proving it correct. I'm unsure if that makes 4 HD youtube encodes for this publication worth it though.
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For a run with unvaultale goal, this looks like a rejection.
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phoenix1291: The second screenshot is (most likely) how the game actually does it, then it's resized by a TV to 4:3. But I see correct colors on your image...
Note: it doesn't matter what codec I use to dump, but it can be something like 16/24-bit image the GPU emulator gives, I saw that in Pete's OpenGL GPU.
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GTA2. Just run it until the cutscene. Gameplay also looks like that, while none of the static screens does. And only when dumping under anything other than PixelPro.
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Sappharad wrote:
I see what you mean about the video above. In 480p, the 60fps version looks like flashing whereas in 1080p it looks almost transparent.
Not even close to that, no matter how I try it.
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It sucks that HD is required for 60fps. Anyway, you already provide two variants of this run. Is it a huge inconvenience to offer a separate 60fps version for people who want it? Do you need someone to "donate" the upload in these cases?
I'm only saying this "60" fps stuff can't be an official solution (for now), simply because it's not 60 unless one is blessed. For the people who want such an upload, I only can suggest to ask a publisher to make one, as they do CamHacked, Cutsceneless, HQ encodes and whatnot. Seeing how Spike didn't even deblink it, I'm unsure if it will succeed.
The intent of my previous post was to collect statistics, so I'd love to know how it actually looks for people. Note: embedded video even on Chrome doesn't provide a 60 fps option to me, but when watching on YT, it does.
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Nach: so what about restoring Kurabu's VestedEditorship?
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Tried to open Debugger window. Shows that and closes the emulator (for any core).
I know it's unfinished, just saying what it does for me.
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Carl Sagan: Don't worry, the moons tier allows as many unique categories published as we want. Just takes someone to make a run using all the tricks except jump to game end (and audience support). Exactly what happened to Rockman.
[1686] NES Mega Man by Shinryuu & finalfighter in 12:23.34[2601] NES Mega Man "game end glitch" by pirohiko & finalfighter in 00:32.11
That's how we divide between any% (with major skip glitch) and any% (no major skip glitch). Both are any%, and both are considered the true any% category!!!11 (c) by different people.
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Tried out dumping with different options. For anything other than PixelPro, it dumps segmented by resolutions (what we want), but some of the segments look like this (what we don't want):
Otherwise, the general preference for dumping is going to be the Debug mode, since we need the exact picture dumped, that will then be resized to the gameplay resolution.
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Tested with GPGX.
GDI+: 35 fps @ 3x, 45 fps @ 2x.
OGL: 40 fps @ 3x, 85 fps @ 2x.
And yes, the option didn't exist in the latest release.
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Alyosha wrote:
Actually, it is activated when you kill the red enemy near where the 'F' path opens up. Although I can't yet determine why this one enemy triggers this bit or what effect it has.
You would need to find an exclusive room where that particular bit is read.
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Alright, here are the videos. What you see?
Link to videoLink to video
I have no idea what YT does to the video, but what I see in Opera/Mozilla/Crome@60 is exactly what I see when I download it from YT: "deblinked" has zero changes whatsoever, "full fps" is 30 fps with some algorithm of dropping frames. To figure it out, I'm going to stack them horizontally and compare frames.
http://rghost.ru/private/59823398/bfd2d4e7d1c78a732b5917dfaae0a2e0
Comparison video shows the frame number. Preparing the listing...
Just as expected. We blend what we need and drop every other frame.
Bottom line: YT's super hyper wise algorithm for 60 fps footage is exactly what we would do 4 years ago. The only difference is that we went a different path: we used drop to 25 fps (ChangeFPS(25)), then instead of dropping 0, 1, 2 (SelectEvery(6,0,1,3)), we developed TASblend. Remember how it was hyped about? Then we developed deblink. It was perfect, except for backgrounds shaking at 30fps. Why was it perfect? Because developers used 30 fps blinking as a feature, it was displayed ideally translucent on TV. When they didn't want that, they simply did 15 fps blinking, and it looked as an ideal blinking.
Now if someone is going to say that we must jump 4 years back and return to dropping frames, because suddenly we start preferring something random to what developers were intending to do, and to what TV showed, sorry, but it's absurd.
Patashu wrote:
If you compare 60fps and 30fps deblinked, 60 fps is superior.
I see no proof of that in my version of reality.
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RGamma wrote:
No need to test. YT likely will drop every other frame or so. Blending frames into one another wouldn't make sense for them, because there's no (in general) right way to do it.
There is need. It's people saying that deblink is obsolete/does worse than YT.
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Wow, that drama. As I always take things, and as I said in another thread Flygon was super dramatic about, once there's a proof that something is actually better, we will agree that it's better. Now I only need to test once again what we see when 30 fps blinking is youtubed at 60 fps. Note: it must be not blinking stuff, it must look semi-transparent (the exact way it looked on TVs). Hold on.
EDIT: Oh god, it wasn't not deblinked properly, it was not deblinked at all! Spike, what happened?
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Elaborate?
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You're going to keep making such encodes, right? Hint: Encoder rank.
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Aktan wrote:
Sorry feos, I knew of this solution a long time ago, but I didn't think you would want to go through the trouble of setting a VM just to capture, lol.
And you were ABSOLUTELY right.
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So it's some version newer than 2.1 (yes, it's how old mine is)?
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Anty-Lemon wrote:
feos wrote:
Oh! Have you also made an Archive.org item with those (excluding HD)? I want to take a look.
I have not; I'm unsure what to do with them considering I can't upload to the speed runs collection :/
No problem, just make a Community Video (or whatever is default) collection. Refer to the Publication Manual for filenames.
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Is there a manual option to switch between them?
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Oh! Have you also made an Archive.org item with those (excluding HD)? I want to take a look.
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Synced with no savestates, dumped, ready to publish.
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Put mklip2001 into quotes to return to regular text size :)
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I know it's unfinished, just saying what it does for me.
Otherwise, the general preference for dumping is going to be the Debug mode, since we need the exact picture dumped, that will then be resized to the gameplay resolution.
