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xxNKxx wrote:
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That time I got 2 of them
Yes, it's. We need know why it have more than 1. The reason :)
I think it was because it was a re-visit. I have a theory: when you unlock a new Grand Master item, you only get 1 of it; then in subsequent plays you can manipulate the amount.
Items at the start are always these, both in Normal and Hard difficulties:
6 Shuriken, 2 Healing Potion, 6 Caltrops, 1 Grenade
1 Smoke Bomb, 0 Mines, 3 Poison Rice, 5 Colored Rice
Debug Mode works for me, just follow the inputs correctly and without being slow.
Edit: after Grand Master stage 1 (no item):
8 Shuriken, 4 Healing Potion, 8 Caltrops, 3 Grenade
3 Smoke Bomb, 2 Mines, 5 Poison Rice, 7 Colored Rice
+2 all, guess it’s based on rank.
Edit: lol if you jump when coming up from crouching you get pushed to the right.
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xxNKxx wrote:
About use shurikens, it can help the stage 1 faster but in other stage we'll slower.
What stages? For Stage 3’s boss, Hathor used a mine and had left 3 Shuriken, Echigoya only needs 3 Shuriken.
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I just want target about lucky for get items.
I don’t think we’ll ever understand that… someone with really good technical knowledge would be needed to do some debugging or something.
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Something need test: start stage frames, start meet boss frames, number enemies detected/suspect
1. Tested a little and doesn’t seem to change anything.
2. Tested a little and I don’t think that changes anything.
3. Tested more than a little and I don’t think that changes anything.
I think in the first stage you can only get 1 Lightfoot Scroll. In the second stage it’s a lot easier to manipulate them, while for the first stage it never changed. That time I got 2 of them was while re-playing the stage after beating the game, and I think I might’ve been playing on Normal, so it probably doesn’t count.
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I think the item management can be improved. 3 Shuriken for Echigoya would make the fight tons faster, and a bomb for the samurai would probably help. I’m trying to figure out a fast samurai strategy but the execution is hard as balls. With a bomb, my idea is to use it at the start and trade, then either do the 3-slash combo ×2 (this is definitely possible and faster than what we’re currently doing), or something tons harder like Left+Square, then an Up-Down-Square loop combo. I’ve never gotten the loop to work, but maybe it’s possible; it would be faster than the 3-slashes combo I think. Without a bomb, it should still be faster to do the Up-Down-Square loop right from the beginning if possible.
Edit: wow the samurai is only attacking me once at the beginning now, so I can’t get the trade off the bomb…
Anyway, improved 30 frames in the samurai fight without items. I used Right-Square-Left-Square to finish him off instead of the crouching attack, that thing sure was overrated. I got lucky though because an enemy by the door hits me, and that cancels my attack animation right after the kill, which actually saves most of the 30 frames. :) Edit: oh fuck, the enemy counts as spotting me, I got Ninja. =_= I only improve 6 frames without being spotted… /// 8 frames saved now… /// I think 22 saved now not bad. /// Saved 32 frames without being spotted, wow! Death cutscene starts at 6346.
While TASing him I also noticed that you can do the 3-slash combo while looking around with L1, and it changes the direction of the combo a little. Could be useful…
Fucking hell the movie now desynchs right after exiting the roof I think, and Echigoya doesn’t trigger, it needs to be re-TAS’d. It was triggered at 7844 before my improvement, so we should at least trigger it at 7812 now. Movie: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/16629881212467726
On a side note: I hate this emulator so much, you have no idea. This is definitely the last TAS I ever touch on PS.
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xxNKxx wrote:
I'm thinking about start stage frames. If test it then I need something can help me beat game fast
You can test that easily by hexing the movie file. Just open it in Notepad++ or something and add empty frames before the “X” to select the level. I’ve tried already, and still only got 1 scroll…
Edit: made a video on the damage glitch in the Echigoya fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-11EkFTSqjQ
Edit: holy crap I just manipulated them to be 0. O_o It’s random, but at least I’ve been able to manipulate the amount by just stopping for a few frames at the end each time… I have savestates with 0, 1, 2, and 3 now; maybe it’ll help me find the RNG address. /// It didn’t.
Shuriken suicide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc9oecydBd8
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Open it with Ctrl+C
I think they disabled the cheat editor menu item because I've had it crash the emulator in rare cases.
How do I use “Add Cheat” from RAM Search, though? That’s a really really important feature, and clicking it does nothing for me. Edit: I mean for mass-cheating, I normally select 100 or so results from the search and freeze them all at once when needing to pin-point an address, I can’t do that from the Ctrl+C menu.
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You did the Right+Square attack way too late. Here’s my improvement movie: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/16623087999209065
I’m not sure why you need Debug Mode? Can’t you just hex the movie file to start later? Edit: I’ve just tested this a bit but there is no change in items… I still only get 1 Lightfoot Scroll.
Edit: I tried cheating to give myself 810 points, but still only got 1 Lightfoot Scroll. I’m running out of ideas.
Edit: I’m playing around on stage 2’s ending in Hathor’s movie now. He does indeed get 3 scrolls by slowing down at the end… but I don’t understand what affects it exactly. I’m trying to do random stuff, and 99% of the time I only get 1 of them. I was able to get 2 of them once by being hit by the enemies a lot, but never 3. I even copied his score and in-game time, but that also only gave me 1 scroll, so it shouldn’t be related to rank/score/time… I also found that you can unload the final enemy depending on your scroll usage timing, weird stuff…
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xxNKxx wrote:
Btw, tried delay time, changed last hit, but the lucky still not change. Every items hav same
Yeah, I know. I tried a lot changing what kinda items I’d get, but they never ever did. And I can’t find the RNG address either. The only thing I didn’t try was starting the level at a different time, maybe that could change the items you get… maybe it’s even dependent on the layout? I don’t think what Hathor said was true (that he waited 12 frames to get 3 scrolls), I’ll check his movie later to see if he would’ve gotten 3 scrolls no matter how much he waited…
What do you mean the cutscene starts at 8878 for you? Have you not tried my other strategy?
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My previous post is getting a little long so I’ll just make a new one now…
I was able to get Grand Master on stage 2 with Ayame using 2 Lightfoot Scroll and the normal TAS route, but idk if that’s actually of any interest to the TAS or not. Layout was #2.
Edit: dumping some item info: Fire-Eater Scroll does 50 damage (25+25) but it’s slow, Super Shuriken does 30 and it’s fast. Also the Protection Amulet raises attack, Ayame’s crouch+square normally does 16 (8+8) but with it it does 32 (16+16); it’s probably too slow to activate to be useful though.
Super Shuriken looks really good, couldn’t it be used somewhere? Edit: oh, is it unlocked with Training…? :/ Then I guess it can’t be used.
Wow, oh my god, my other strategy is actually faster.
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edit: I found another Echigoya strategy which may be even faster, I’ll make a vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5JJeEdy6SA&t=37s edit2: wow nevermind, the in-game timer is bad… it stops counting when Echigoya hits the ground, not when you kill him, so this strategy is bad…
Saved 7 frames with it without even TASing, just real-time human play.
Here’s the thing: Echigoya’s death cutscene only starts when all models are in a stopped position (including your own), if you kill him with the Crouch+Square attack, he will spend a lot of time in the air, thus delaying the death cutscene. You can avoid this by making him fall on top of the boxes with the Crouch+Square, but I don’t know if it’s possible to do that fast. My other strategy kills him with the Up-Down-Square attack, so Echigoya doesn’t fly in the air and the death cutscene starts much earlier.
Here’s a video to display what I mean with Echigoya’s and your model need to be stopped for the cutscene to start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb4YvhUHWyA
Also sad news though: I can’t find shit in this game’s RAM. No speed, no RNG.
Edit: I’m trying to figure out a better Echigoya strategy, I’ve found a glitch where if you trade the first hit with his gun, you do 20 damage with for example a Right+Square attack which normally only does 8 damage, or even just the Square 7 damage attack. I think I did it with the Crouch+Square attack too, but that’s −5 damage so it’s not useful lol. Probably possible with all attacks, just listing the ones I got.
Edit2: wow, I just got shot, flew in the air, and took no damage. O_o This game is weird.
Couldn’t figure out a better strategy so I just TAS’d that one. I never could’ve imagined how much of a pain in the ass TASing this game would be… anyway, I managed to save 8 frames over NK’s movie. /// Saved 2 more frames by redoing the final attack in RTA, lmao…
NK you should try TASing my other strategy (linked in the quote above), I got the death cutscene to start at frame 8864 with it.
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^That movie still has the old Echigoya strategy, you haven’t made a new one?
I’ll try to find some useful RAM addresses for starters, like Speed and RNG.
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Hâthor wrote:
Tricks
RNG:
Also, additional items earn at the end of the level depends on time used to complete it. In level 2, I'm waiting for 12 frames before raising the cutscene; it allows me to get 3 lightfoot scrolls (very uncommon).
Sounds like it would be useful to learn how to manipulate the RNG…
Edit: I just got 2 Lightfoot Scrolls after level 1, but I re-did from the mission select, it wasn’t a first-time clear. I don’t know if that changes the amount of items you get, but maybe it’s possible to get 3 of them in every level…
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I just think the answers to the question are wrong, they shouldn’t be “yes, no, meh”, they should be “I was entertained, I wasn’t entertained, I was indifferent” or something like that, you won’t have people spamming YES just because they think it should be published anymore.
edit: although that’s kind of a different issue, but what the OP says can’t be helped.
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“Note that not only the number of caught and seen Pokémon is 151, the game time ends up being 1:51 as well, which was of course totally planned and not just pure coincidence.”
what does that mean? did you slow down on purpose?
