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Isn't Blank A a 1.0 glitch? That makes the Bottom of the well a lot faster. If the Glitched Bongo kill is also 1.0 only, then that would be the version to use. (unless there are also 1.1 exclusive glitches)
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The skultulla count is on the pause menu. The items, songs, medallions, etc. are all there. The Maps, compasses, and boss keys are only on the map screen while you are in that dungeon. That's where the debate comes from. I think we should use the ZSR definition.
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HHS wrote:
- If collecting something precludes the collection of something else, such that both would otherwise be considered part of 100%, then neither is included.
I'm not exactly clear on what you mean by that. Can you explain a little further?
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About the cow, I think it should be regarded as a collectible. Same with compasses, maps and big keys, of course.
I never understood the point of the cow. What do you have to do to get it, anyway? I could understand the Maps/Compasses but i'm not sure about the cow.
I could see the argument for the Maps/Compasses to go either way. If they are collected, it would show more of the dungeon and make the TAS a little more interesting or entertaining to watch. On the other hand, one could argue that getting the boss keys are a waste of time since most (or possibly all?) of the boss keys can be skipped. It doesn't really matter to me either way, but i would prefer not to collect maps, compasses, keys, or the cow.
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Samsara wrote:
I don't consider any definition of 100% to be what you collect, I consider it to be what you keep. There's no reason to go out of your way to collect items that you won't be keeping until the end of the game.
Very well said. I completely agree with you. This is why we should only collect the highest upgrade. I cannot stress enough how the TAS should just use the same rules as RTA. There would be no debate on what the TAS should or shouldn't do because we would already have an established and widely accepted set of rules to go by.
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I'm not opposed to collecting the maps and compasses, but i just wouldn't see why the TAS would get it. I can't make a decent argument for either side, so i'm indifferent to it. It doesn't really matter to me, but I think we should just go by RTA rules just to make it simple.
The TAS would be played on Japanese 1.0, right? Doesn't that let you skip a lot of the trading sequence for the Biggorron sword? I'm pretty sure that's the version ZFG uses in his 100% speed runs.
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The extra heart pieces should not be collected. As far as i know, they are not even intended to be collectable, and they should not replace a heart piece that was. I actually forgot that you need epona for the archery minigame. In that case, collecting epona would be required. Overall, i think the RTA definition is the best one to go by (with the possible exception of allowing RBA at some points, like i mentioned in my previous post)
EDIT: I forgot to mention the dungeon keys. Just like the map and compass, the keys should not be collected unless they are needed. RTA doesn't do that and i don't think TAS should either.
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I like that definition of 100%. The only problem I could see is that some speed runners argue that RBA/BA should be allowed as long as you collect the original item before you RBA it. (This would allow you to get more bombs/bombchus without having to deviate from the route too much). I don't really see an issue with that as long as the item is collected legitimately before RBA happens. That's all up for debate, though. I could see the TAS being made either way.
Another question would be: Should the TAS get Epona? That's something that TASers in this thread have argued about every time 100% is mentioned. I think the TAS should skip epona (unless getting her would somehow be faster, which i doubt).
What is everyone's thoughts on this? I would LOVE to see a 100% TAS someday in the future. I wouldn't be able to contribute to it because i know nothing about TASing, but i would be in this thread all the time if it was being made.
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THC98 wrote:
CoolKirby wrote:
Wow, he did it! Now there's only that one A press in BitFS left and the game can be completed with 70 stars without pressing the A button at all.
Actually that last video wasn't an improvement in the 70 star ABC, because you don't need BitS red coins star to complete the game, as you can't reach BitS with 69 stars.
Oh yeah, that's a good point. Well, i guess that brings us a little bit closer to a 120 star minimum A press TAS (i don't think 0 would be possible unless some crazy new glitch gets discovered.)
I'm surprised nobody thought of that before! It's crazy how many small optimizations are being found lately. I'm gonna ask this question before anyone else does: How much time does this save?
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jlun2 wrote:
Stevmay09 wrote:
someone find a way to WW to gannon from Lon Lon Ranch without a bottle.
Or somehow make warping directly to the credits faster than beating ganon.
Yeah. Cosmo was talking in his last stream about if gannonless was faster, it would be considered any%, but that it's in its own category because it's slower.
