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Well, I think that answering to this question is pretty complex, so I'll probably write another post when I get more ideas...
The point is that most glitches are discovered by chance. So the more you play a game, the more chances are that you randomly stumble into one.
You can also specifically look for glitches, but it requires a lot of creativity. For example, you could try put the game into a very unlikely circumstance. For example, some glitches are caused by having two different events happening at the same moment, like having both the player and the boss dying in the same frame or hitting yourself while you're transitioning from a room to another. Another thing to try is to do specific movements with pixel-precise positioning. Another is trying to spam the same actions or events until the game memory floods or an address overflows. Some glitches are discovered while TASing, because the fact itself of trying to put a game to its limits can often cause exotic phenomena. To put it simply: mess with the game, molest it until it freaks out.
Remember, always record a movie while you search for glitches, because most times it's not easy to figure out what actually caused it, so having a recorded movie gives you the chance to look at it again closer, or even show it to people we could collaborate by looking at it with a different approach.
By the way, the first Pokémon series are by far the most researched ones in the world, so it's really unlikely to discover new glitches for them. Also, you mentioned a very hard glitch that requires advanced knowledge of that game. In any case, if you want to learn more about glitching in Pokémon games, you should visit this site: https://glitchcity.info/
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TASVideoAgent wrote:
I've just been informed that there is a glitch allowing to maintain dash speed in certain conditions (I don't know which ones exactly yet). I will definitely investigate and redo the TAS if the findings are worth it, but in the meantime, I suppose I can leave this submission open?
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Well, if you do just a basic resync job for level 4, then there is no need. However, if you're planning to implement new optimizations, then you should cancel.
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I discovered that it's possible to skip the ending cutscene about two seconds earlier than what has be done in the submitted movie, though it causes the rest of the movie to desync. It wouldn't take too many efforts to fix these desyncs, and the movie file could be replaced without having to make a new submission. Eltrion, what do you want to do?
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jlun2 wrote:
Would this glitch still work if the 26th music appeared in game outside the music test on certain frames?
I'm pretty sure that the 26th doesn't exist, which would cause the game to read to unrelated data. In this sound test you can pick any value from 0x00 to 0xFF, which clearly goes beyond the game data... That's probably a programming overlook.
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I can't resync it for NesHawk. But beside that, in my opinion there is bigger problem: triviality. From my tests, it seems that even if you do begin pressing most buttons in advance, you still get to the sound test at the same moment, due to the large presence of lag frames that nullify human mistakes. The only two inputs that need frame precision are the moment in which you let go of Down button and the moment you press A button. This would be clearly trivial to reproduce in real time attempts.
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nymx wrote:
I abstained on voting until now...because there weren't any votes and I would have been the first to comment.
My first impression was that it seemed to run without any loss of time, but because I didn't know this game...I wasn't sure.
The positive voting has supported my original thoughts and I'm along with it.
Wait wait wait wait... Are you saying that you didn't want to speak out your mind unless people showed similar opinions?... You see, if you let others influence your opinion, then it's not your opinion anymore. I see that you was initially unconfident about the validity of your opinion, but (in my humbly opinion) you should work on your doubts by yourself. If, for example, you lack the necessary familiarity with this game, then you try out the game and see it yourself; it really takes just 5 minutes of playing.
If that still isn't enough to get confident of your opinion, then don't vote. I myself abstain from voting many submissions, due to uncertain about the validity of my opinion; it's just natural, as it would be foolish to think that my opinion is valuable in the 100% of the cases.
Also, don't be afraid of going against the trend. The only thing you need to do in that case, is to explain with a post why your point of view is different. And if you begin to think that your vote was wrong, no worries: everyone can make mistakes, and everyone can learn.
There is this extremely interesting video that I think explains it perfectly:
Link to video
By the way, please don't consider this post as a lecture. For this case I'm really just trying to share my opinion as a person in general, rather than a staff member. I also aknowledge that maybe I'm overestimating your doubts in voting, yet I think that this was a good moment for bringing up this subject.
I apologize for the off topic, though it's not really that off...
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SRAM is literally a save file. You need to play through a game and then use the in-game feature for saving your game. Then you close the emulator and look for the SRAM file somewhere in the subfolders of the emulator you used (usually .sav extension).
When you read "movie starts from SRAM" it means that that movie doesn't start from clean save, but it uses a previously created save file. For these cases, our movie rules require the submitter to provide an additional movie file that plays through the game in order to re-create the exact SRAM file that is used for starting the submitted movie in question.
By the way, why are you asking?
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No need to apologize, as BizHawk functionalities for disk swapping is not very intuitive.
You have to go on Tools > Multi-disk Bundler. On "System" pick "PSX". Then, on the list below, you need to add all the cue (or iso) files, in order. In order insert more than 2 different images, click on "Add" button, on the lower left. When you're done, you need to click on "Browse.." in the top right: this will save an .xml file that contains the list of cue files. You now need to open this .xml file like if it was a game image.
On March 27, 1992, a subsidiary of Hello Kitty creator Sanrio, known as Character Soft, reprogrammed and published a Family Computer version of Balloon Kid, titled as Hello Kitty World (ハロー キティ ワールド). This version was released in Japan, where Balloon Kid was not. Balloon Kid was created after it was brought to North America. The notable changes to the game were Balloon Kid's plot being replaced with Hello Kitty's, as well as updated/changed visuals.
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£e Nécroyeur wrote:
ThunderAxe31 wrote:
Audience reception is always welcomed, even more when it's a No vote
Thank you for this, ThunderAxe31!
Just to clarify, I was referring to No votes done after watching a movie in full. Also, a vote should be explained with a post, especially when it goes against the trend.
Fore example, in the case for this submission there is more need to explain Yes votes than No votes. That's why I don't need Spike to explain his No vote: I can understand why he didn't find it fun to watch.
Instead, when a submitted movie is supposedly entertaining, there is more need to explain No votes rather than Yes ones, as these are mostly unexpected.
Note that this is just my opinion.
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FractalFusion wrote:
Spikestuff wrote:
but for some reason you never make encodes anymore so I got to watch it through.
Here's a hint: No one says you have to watch it, and no one says you have to encode it if the submitter won't*. If you don't find any fun in doing this, save your time and do something that is actually fun.
*It's 2019 already; anyone who puts in all the effort to create their TAS should be expected to know how to encode and upload videos of their own TASes.
Audience reception is always welcomed, even more when it's a No vote, since it's harder to watch in full a movie that you didn't find fun.
For what concerns providing a temp encode for others, I personally don't see why any submitter should not want someone else to do it in their place, especially when it's from someone experienced with quality encoding. In any case, no submitter did ever complain for such a thing, as far as I know.
I don't expect any submitter to provide a temp encode. Also, I personally apprecciated this temp encode because it allowed me to easily watch the TAS at full speed (my pc can't play back NesHawk movies at more than 20 fps), which caused me to get interested in this TAS and decide to judge it.
By the way, please, let's stay on topic and discuss the movie.
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Now that I think about it, I would gladly use the archive.org embedded player if there was the option to watch it at exactly x2 or x3 resolution, because watching game boy TASes at x1 resolution is just unbearable.
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I discussed about the full completion definition of this game with Wobmiar on Discord, and so far I found no problems. I only have left to play the game myself in order to check that everything is really how it seems to be.
For what concerns the Dolphin error, it seems that it doesn't affect sync, yet I will be writing an issue on the github soon. Edit: there already is one: https://bugs.dolphin-emu.org/issues/9384
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Wobmiar wrote:
The discussion is on Discord, it's mostly between me and VerySydney. It's kinda a fragmented discussion, we discussed here and there while I was TASing the selkie%. Then, I suggested a list of requirements, and everyone seemed good with that.
The fact is that I need to make sure that there is community agreement for the definition of full-completion. If possible, I'd like to join this Discord server and join the discussion.
By the way, I have to note that maxing out the character could be unnecessary for full completion. Quoting from the movie rules (bold mine):
Full completion can only consist of optional one-time, irreversible, or otherwise strictly limited accomplishments that can be objectively measured and maximized.
-If the equipment can be took off or replaced, would that lower the stats back?
-Can artifacts be lost in any way?
-Can the family relationship be lowered?
-Can the family relationship still be maximized after having done bad actions?
-Can the food liking be lowered?
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Wobmiar wrote:
I discussed with the community about what should be 100% in a TAS, and here's the final result:
I'd like to see the discussion. Where can I find it?
Wobmiar wrote:
- Maximum stats possible (need highest equipment)
Does this maximize all stats at the same time?
Wobmiar wrote:
- At least one accessory (to fill the equipment screen)
I don't think that it can be considered as part of full completion, but surely one of these should help a lot to complete the game faster. Maybe you could even use different ones through the run, depending on different necessities.
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Wobmiar wrote:
I hope it answers your question. If there's anything else you want, ask me :)
Thanks. By the way, my question was mostly direct towards the community in general, but it's also useful to have the point of view of the author. Still, I need more people giving me their thoughts and feelings about this movie.
EZGames69 wrote:
Edit: not alot I can say specifically but it was a peasant watch. it gets a yes vote from me.
Please try to tell me more. What did you enjoy the most? What did you not?
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Read Only means that you can watch a movie, but you can't edit it. If you set to Read+Write it means that the movie will be overwritten with new inputs. Warning: make a copy of the movie file before using Read+Write.
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DrD2k9 wrote:
While it didn't necessarily happen due to publication effort being slow, the previous run was unfortunately un-accepted and retroactively rejected simply due to the arrival of this current submission on the workbench.
Until a submission gets officially published, its judgment decision can be revised if we find out late that the judgment can be improved, be it a judgement mistake, a change of the Movie Rules, or a fortuity event that couldn't be foreseen like in this case.
When we're still in time for making adjustments to a judgment, there is no reason to not do. Otherwise that would mean that we shouldn't try to fix anything just for the sake of not giving false hope to the submitters. I see that it could be a disappointing occurrence, but it's not like we're giving a different treatment to anyone or applying a double standard.
I also have to note that it's in the site policy to reduce publications to the strictly necessary. This is important for keeping the overall quality of the site contents as high as possible.
aiqiyou wrote:
I'm sorry I was so eager to finish this tas. Because I knew that after this statutory holiday, I will have no time to devote to production. So I finished the production independently from the other three partners during the vacation. That also caused alex's TAS can't be published. What's more, after our TAS submitted, somebody pointed out some problems and improvements. They think it is inappropriate for us to submit it it so early.
At TASV, I'm just a novice. I never thought how good TAS I could make. When I finished the make of stage4, I was surprised myself. As for whether the authors have my name or not, I won't care anymore. I just want to end some endless arguments. I tried my best, if anybody want to perfect this TAS, I will say nothing.
Please don't mortify yourself, as there is absolutely no need to remove yourself from the authors list just because of an unfortunate event that you couldn't foresee. Also, you're not even the one who caused it, as this movie was not submitted by you.
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<ThunderAxe31> Masterjun: I assumed you were talking about wiki edits, but if it's forum posts, the TVA message will not be shown if you make a minor edit AND your post is the last post of a thread
<Masterjun> wait, I wasn't talking about the TVA messages at all
* ThunderAxe31 disintegrates
<Masterjun> but I guess that's good to know as well
* ThunderAxe31 's particles reagglomerate themselves
* feos catches one and calls it ThunderAxe0.0000000000000002
