You arguing with them every post that they should like your movie is getting you nowhere.
At least I didn't do so.
I have said that most of people like this one.So I just do this.
Death is the main problem but not the continue for this game.
But this one I only die in a safe place.
Everybody knows the death in this game was my itention but not the playing skill.
X2poet, why don't you give them all a chance to merely compare the entertaiment value for 2 different parts of this run - with Continues & without them?
I don't know why it will get crash when I load a state.So I can't edit it.I really want to show a comparation,but the emulator did not help me complete it.
Sorry Darkkobold.I know my expression is not standard.My "judge" means decide an opinion.
How can you make sure that continuing kills the entertainment by default far more than any longer boss battle with default weapons could do?
I, for one, don't have to be sure it kills anything far more because it already kills it right there. Many (most?) games with bosses have at least one fight that is long either because it's designed that way or because you have to face it underpowered; that's okay, people are used to it, it's part of the game.
I'll illustrate it with a following example. Imagine being a vegetarian. You don't consider eating meat/fish right for whatever reason (like the fact that it takes no skill to kill animals who can't fight back).
So you go to a restaurant that you know serves great vegetarian food among others. In fact, all of the food there is great, so you naturally go there. You look into a menu and are ready to place your order, but the chef insists this dish you've chosen tastes better with meat in it. Here's how I see this dialogue:
— I don't eat meat. I don't like the very notion of eating meat, I'll be totally fine with the vegetarian version.
— But you haven't tried the meat version, and trust me, the vegetarian one tastes much worse.
— But I've tried that vegetarian dish before. Surely I know it's great. Why are you trying to convince me I wouldn't like it? Couldn't you just, you know, not put any meat in it?
— Sorry, sir, I have no choice. The dish must have meat in it. Not putting any meat there would be unfair to the other menu items.
The chef then proceeds serving you the meat version of the dish and feels insulted you didn't like it. End of story.
You are not the only consumer in this restaurant.
And not only this restaurant is convenient for you.
You just judge this by subjective spirits.
"Play Around" "Pacifist" Why aren't they suitable for all the game?
Because of thie subjective inclination.
Darkkobold has said whether or not it is a rule is no longer a question,and you still talk about it.
Just look this run.would this one rating slower than the 1p one?
Edit:
KennyMan666 wrote:
I'm not even going to bother explaining to you why every part of this opinion is objectively wrong.
Did you means that the opposite opinion would be OBJECTIVELY right?
Simple equation for me, at least for Metal Slug, and really, any other run'n'gun or shmup: Using a continue == Negative entertainment value.
If you really want to try to prove me wrong, show me an optimized version that does not use continues.
After all
1 more minute longer also = Negative entertainment value.
At least "Aid for fastest time" is the solid rule.
How can you make sure that continuing kills the entertainment by default far more than any longer boss battle with default weapons could do?
You haven't tried and you don't know anything.
I can't make the comparation.I think I will show it in my level 8 edition.
I have edited the submission for the reason why I use continue for this one.
I will re do the Metal Slug 1 after a while.
Edit:Okay,wait.I will do a comparation now.
Edit2:Oh,I can't edit the movie.Loading a state would crash.So sorry.
Luckily, the wording in the rules already suited my purposes. Thus, the rule has been added, but the wording that it is not strict will stay. (http://tasvideos.org/Rules.html)
Did it mean I can use continue in Metal Slug X?
That place will take many problems.
The rule only pick out that continue is not allowed.
How about adding a new player after counting down to gameover?
That is not continue.
Oh I have uploaded a new savestate 4.
See it in my submission.
This can avoid the last boss battle.
Edit:I add a savestate 8.That showes where the desync on.
Oh,I get a desync at first.
Is this run playing in Hardest mode?
I can't scan youtube,but I like this game.
I give a yes vote and looking forward to watching it.
This is the one I complete.
But there is a random desync in STAGE 4 boss.
And a serious desync on STAGE 5-2.
I don't know how to fix it.
There is no savestates to avoid the serious desync.I only have a savestate to correct the random desync.
I am afraid that I may redo the movie from the desync.Last boss battle is too long.
I hope someone tell me how to fix it.
http://www.mediafire.com/?tfu1msupixbkab5
I think Fang is overused in CHC runs. Also I didn't notice any beautiful dances mentioned in submission text. And finally, this game needs 2P run badly. So Meh.
Oh,this is I'm looking foward to.Perfect should be a 2p run,though the enemies have more health.
I see using only INTITAL COINS NEEDED TO START THE GAME as a sort of hard difficulty for Arcade, because in real life it is more probable that the player have some additional money, but nut using it he seems to handle more skilly, which is harder. So, using coins is a NORMAL gameplay for Arcade.
But while Superplay is summoned to be ABOVE normal, the continue using shall be a result of discussion in unobvious cases (though I don't know what one would be obvious here).
Also, if continues look namely more WTF than avoiding them (requires skill for making unique entertainment), if they are funny played up, they must be allowed.
Then, the comunity needs to see WIPs before submitting. If we see a no-death Metal Slug by X2poet, we could compare easily. The things obvious for one may become obvious for all. And if "all" prefer no-death actually, then the decision was found!
It kill the Entertainment only in Metal Slug 1,it is not necessary to have a conparation.I am doing the Spin Master & Metal Slug 3 now.Metal Slug 1 is delayed,I will make the decision by this forum.
Whether I should do a no death version?
Metal Slug X,continue improve the entertainment.But it will be such long time to show the comparation.
I must say,I will only finish X Level-8 with the continues in the train and complete Metal Slug 3 4 5 with no death.
Spin Master I will take damage to save time,but no death.
Theses are what about I am doing now.
My other plans need not consider this problem,because take damage cannot save time any more.
http://www.mediafire.com/?71iey4rn6f47shm
This is my WIP for Spin Master.If take no damage the y screen cannot scroll itself.
All of them are good runs.I don't have a drastic opinion after all.
Edit:If it is a good run.I don't care how players manage the target.
Using password is only acceptable for only few games.
NES American Gradiators have many same things.
NES James Bond Jr. Without password you cannot see the last boss.
Password is in game,but not a cheat,some games using password get warping,jump over many interesting things.Nobody want to see that.
Continue is like this:
Some games are convenient to use continue for making a run.
Some are not.
Arcade game:
Coin is the natural resources in it.
DarkKobold wrote:
TMNT1 - Bosses get harder if you don't die. As opposed to an incentive to put money in, there is a disincentive to not die. I chose to not die in my run, for that reason.
And this is why I tried to complete NES tmnt2 2-player run.
What about console games that give you unlimited lives and continues?
That's a game feature then, not an emulator feature, so I don't think that's really such a big issue.
This is also game feature.Not the emulator.Console version Metal Slug can continue all the way without coins.If this is limited to Arcade,why not do it in console version just like in PS?PS version has CD loading time,that kill the entertainment.
Some arcade games cannot continue,and some arcade game your death or continues will start from the whole stage beginning just like Ganryu.
And it isn't only benifit for Metal Slug X.
Adding coins would be benifit for these Arcade Games:
Teenage mutant ninja turtles -Turtle in time
because power attack would cost some HP.No HP cannot use it
Guerilla War
Adding bombs by death
Ikari
Controlling the position
And more I didn't know.
Most of them didn't like the death,not only for continue.
That's not me.Somebody talk about that.And I only set this arguement.
What you say "cheating" was clear at first.And it is different from Metal Slug X.And you didn't understand what I mean.
I have poor English.So sorry.But I struggled to tell you some reality that this one is not the same as Metal Slug X.
Edit:How did I know this game is different intention in your mind?
How can I guess what you like?
Now I feel falling in a trap hole.
