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I'd really like to see a Dune 2 TAS some time. I recently discovered that people have reverse engineered it, so I extracted some of that info and put it here: Wiki: GameResources/DOS/Dune2 Mostly unit and building stats, since Dune 2 doesn't show that to the player. Nach added other stuff too. What exactly would be needed in order to get it done? (Other than a TASer with lots of time.) Do we have an emulator which supports it, and can run it at a reasonable speed? I remember this submission talking about how c-square improved mouse support for JPC-rr - is this now included as standard?
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This is a game I like playing in my spare time. TAS Optimizations would be fun to see. Each house has advantages and disadvantages, most of which come in to play in the early and late game. The Atreides use less credits all-around to support their operations (most notable in the early missions due to not being forced into the WOR facility and Quad), are given access to Ornithopters and Rocket Launchers; House Weapon is the Sonic Tank which there's a known exploit related to these (on high speeds they have range comparable to Rocket Launchers, on low speeds they have range comparable to Infantry). Downsides are a lack of Troopers for early ranged superiority (and no way to get them short of capturing WOR or a Construction Yard that's building one) and, within this engine at least, a lackluster Palace Special in the Fremen, though you can at least summon them once every five minutes. The Harkonnen get the Heavy Troopers and Heavy Attack Quads in place of Light Infantry and Trikes (the Harkonnen is the only house that can't naturally build Trikes), and have access to Rocket Launchers - they command range superiority pretty much up until the House of Ix becomes available, where it falls to the Atreides. Palace Special is the Death Hand Atomic Missile, which in the context of a TAS can make Missions 8 and 9 more of a mop-up operation than anything else, but which outside of a TAS is best used as an annoyance factor. The Harkonnen are also the only house to be facing one Nuclear Strike per ten minutes in the final mission, and do not face any Nuclear Strikes in the penultimate mission, which reduces the amount of luck manipulation that would need to happen in case we hit ten minutes and can't neutralize the Imperial Palace. Downsides are that all the weaponry they get early on is expensive as shit, no natural access to 'Thopters (I think they can purchase 'Thopters from CHOAM but I don't think it's valid in an unmodded game folder due to a programming error), and the defensively-oriented Devastator as the House Weapon (great for Regular Play, TERRIBLE in a TAS since we're going cutthroat and it's at most the same speed as a Harvester if not slower). The Ordos are... interesting. The only weapon out of their reach is the standard Rocket Launcher (orderable from CHOAM, though it's expensive as shit to do so). Their House Weapon is the Deviator, which properly used can wreck base defenses (ESPECIALLY on the final missions when you're battling multiple houses as the Unit AI only checks if it's attacking its own house before reassigning orders after Deviation wears off), and they do get access to Ornithopters. The major downside is the lack of the Rocket Launcher - the Ordos middle game is a slog due to the lack of safe sniping at the enemy base. The Saboteur is something I admit to having never used, though I presume from reading its file data that it's pretty good if you can sneak it into the enemy Construction Yards, especially since you can call it once every five minutes. This note on the Dune 2 page is partially correct.
When there are many units on the map, units on the current screen move faster than those off the screen. Look at your own key units to make them move faster, and do not view enemy units so they move more slowly.
Certain units - Caryalls, Harvesters, 'Thopters, the Ordos Saboteur, I believe the Fremen, Shai-Hulud, and the Frigate, though there may be more - are specifically marked to be fully active regardless of where the screen is focused, and all other units are only granted half the usual updates when not in the main view. I know this because one of the modding tools can set this flag on any unit, and I usually mod my copy such that Infantry - but not Troopers - also get full speed all the time. The number of units in play has no bearing on this effect at all. If you'd like I can dump all the playdata info (stuff like unit and building data, Palace Recharge Times, and terrain move speed modifiers) from a clean copy of 1.07; it shouldn't be too much of a thing given all I have to do is figure out how to dump it to a text file (the modding tool is already a console TUI). There are also a few speed exploits that, because they rely on low game speed instead of high, would be outside the scope of a TAS - the Refinery converts spice to credits at the same speed regardless of game speed, Rocket Launchers and the Deviator are more accurate at low speeds (probably something to do with how the RNG gets updated), and as mentioned previously the Sonic Tank is all but castrated at low speeds.
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That would be cool! What would also be cool to have is some kind of a brief changelog for all the officially released versions, as it would be pretty time-consuming to test and cross-check everything on every single one of them.
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The problem with my data dump is that I want to say the tool is only workable with 1.07 and its derivatives, so there may be data inaccuracies that I can't find. I'll start on the data dump though, since most of it will be the same across versions. Can we get someone to dump the mission maps for... Harkonnen is my bet on optimized-for-speed given the WOR facility, Death Hand, and not needing to manipulate away multiple death hands in the final mission.
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Are you sure the later missions can't be done before Death Hand is operational? Palace takes quite a bit of time and resources to build. My bet would be on Atreides due to the AI and Sonic Tank glitches and better rush capabilities in early/mid game. As soon as you get access to a Carry-All, any mission is basically done.
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The layout for the final two missions are static - the penultimate mission has all of two layouts, and the only thing that changes in the final mission is which houses you're facing. You get ten minutes from start to your first Death Hand launch in any mission where you're facing them. If you select the Harkonnen territory in the penultimate missions for Ordos and Atreides, you WILL be facing a Death Hand. You WILL be facing two in the final mission either way. The Harkonnen is the only house that doesn't face this issue, so if we're abusing luck going that route is going to reduce how much manipulating needs to happen. We would not necessarily be taking the Harkonnens for their death hand so much as taking them to get early-stage offensive bonuses and to deny the Emperor a second shot at nuking us in the end. Taking down three heavily-fortified bases before Death Hand manipulation becomes a thing... It may be possible to do in a TAS environment. I do know it's not something I've seen done in realtime. If anyone could do it, though, it would be the Atreides just for how broken Sonic Tanks can get in early versions.
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There's also the fact that time savings accumulated in earlier missions can cover for the time lost in the later ones. Then again, if this game proves successful in terms of entertainment and not terribly difficult to manipulate, the site will likely see all three houses done at some point.
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Ordos would probably be the most entertaining just from it being a suboptimal character (and the fact that you get the Deviator to play around with). Here's an excel spreadsheet with all the pertinent data.
  • Fields suffixed with an asterisk are not relevant to that unit type but are still declared for whatever reason; those columns are hidden.
  • I did not hide columns for unused bit flags.
  • The Filelist, the Voice definitions, and the Music definitions have been excluded as that's an exercise in tedium to do those manually.
(Here's the ini file that the editing program spat out when I dumped the settings. It dumps everything - and I do mean everything - about the game.) More comments, most of which are relevant for 1.07 and unknown for earlier versions.
  • That freebie carryall does eventually go away even if you use the quick return bug. It sticks around long enough to complete mission 1 but not to complete mission 2 on a harvesting victory (Harkonnens have an advantage here in that destroying the base counts as a victory condition for them - I need to go back and check to see if it counts for the other houses as well).
  • Troopers automatically switch to bullet attacks if the target is in range of the bullet attack. As far as I've seen there is no difference in damage - it is purely cosmetic. NEEDS VERIFICATION.
  • Missions 2 and (I think) 7 require you to pass the copy protection before you're allowed to start them. The copy protection is, of course, based on the manual and not the game internals.
  • No point in attacking Shai-Hulud - after a worm eats three vehicles it goes away. This can be used to the player's advantage when dealing with the opponent, though be warned that worms typically don't eat enemy harvesters unless you can watch it happen. NEED VERIFICATION ON IF ENEMY HARVESTERS CAN BE EATEN DESPITE FOG OF WAR.
  • On that note - the AI builds units pretty much continually, and the harvester adds to their coffers pretty much instantaneously - it staying in the refinery doesn't mean much if you're not about to destroy the thing. Most of the time the AI is keeping their production facilites at 99% complete to facilitate Zerg Rushing. To minimize defensive needs, you'll need to remove the AI's Contruction Yards and Refinieries as early as possible.
  • The AI always gets to repair buildings for free.
  • Deviating a sonic tank that's part of a group of the same is fun, especially around buildings - since Sonic Tanks are Sonic Immune, they can't prematurely break Deviation by simply attacking each other. Deviate a S.T. in the middle of the Atreides Fortress and watch the fun begin! I actually need to go back and verify this one.
  • On that note, Deviators don't set the deviated unit to the owner's house - it sets it to Ordos control. There's no point in trying to hijack the Ordos heavy factory in the finale as it's too well protected and this means it's also worse than useless to build them.
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Post subject: Re: Dune 2 - The Building of a Dynasty / The Battle for Arrakis
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Glad to see other people are interested too! This question is still unanswered, and I think we need to get answered to get anywhere:
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Do we have an emulator which supports it, and can run it at a reasonable speed? I remember this submission talking about how c-square improved mouse support for JPC-rr - is this now included as standard?
If it is indeed playable, a test run for just the first level with whichever house would be a good start, just to see that it works and syncs. Who can do this? Thanks for the info dumps, Pokota. The same info is available in the source, but much less easily accessible. About which house to play and strategy to use: - It's pretty obvious Ordos are the worst. They have a worthless wheeled unit (Raider Trike) the least useful Palace power (Saboteur) and the worst special Tank (Deviator). They can't build the highly useful Missile tank (but a TAS would probably manipulate low prices from Starport and buy them instead anyway). Their only advantage is being able to build both Infantry and Troopers, but Infantry sucks so that's not much help. - After that it's not obvious which of Atreides and Harkonnen would be faster. Harkonnen start with better units in the early missions (Troopers, Quads) and would gain time there. They can't build Ornithopters which have high damage output, but low hitpoints - perhaps they can be luck manipulated to stay alive? If what Nach wrote about bugs with Sonic Tanks not being targeted by enemies, Atreides would roflstomp the two final missions and possibly gain back the time lost earlier since these missions are very long. I don't think the Palace specials play much of a role, Fremen can be crushed with tanks and Death hand probably manipulated into missing. Pokota> Rocket Launcher (orderable from CHOAM, though it's expensive as shit to do so) If I'm reading the source right, ordering units can be up to 60% cheaper and up to 60% more expensive than building them. It's randomly generated, so launchers and all other units can be gotten at a bargain with some luck. Pokota> The layout for the final two missions are static - the penultimate mission has all of two layouts, and the only thing that changes in the final mission is which houses you're facing. Sort of. Check the maps Nach uploaded to the tricks page. The terrain layout is mostly the same (I saw some spice patches in different locations), but building are placed differently. Harkonnen has to deal with more Rocket turrets in the final mission, for example.
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There's no formal control over 'Thopters, and you don't get them until the same mission that the enemy base is fortified with something that shoots them down. If we can manage to make them useful, that would pretty much clinch it for Atreides being faster despite an early-game range disadvantage. Fire time for palace specials might not matter for the first use by the player (I know the AI needs to wait out their timer before using their palace specials, otherwise the final mission would be nigh-impossible as all the Emperor would have to do is throw his death hand at you before you can get established). The construction chain is CYard -> Wind Trap (300) -> Refinery (400) -> Starport (500) -> Palace (999), and the Starport we'd want to have anyway just because we can get lots of units quickly from it. I do not see very much harm in constructing a palace if we can conserve units between pushes. With that said, the palace specials are not very impressive in the hands of a realtime player.
  • Even if you can direct the Fremen, they're still foot units and still can be taken down by harvesters - and like Sardaukar Troopers, they're not a separate unit internally, so at best they're an instant Zerg Rush.
  • The Saboteur is the fastest foot unit (same speed as the Quad, so it can outrun anything that could squish it) and instantly destroys whatever structure it enters but it is ridiculously frail at ten health (four infrantry shots, two from troopers and wheeled vehicles, and one from everything else).
  • The Death Hand is super powerful, but slow to fire at once every ten minutes and is very inaccurate (unless the Slowest Speed Accuracy Trick applies here, but that would still be outside the scope of a TAS).
Trunc: That map for Atreides 3-A has a spice bloom in the middle of a rock zone, so that needs to be looked into. Knowing this game, though, it might actually be there instead of being a seed mismatch - this was by the same company bugged CHOAM into not actually selling 'Thopters, after all. I'll concede the point about the final mission, I'd only played through on all three houses once long ago so I didn't notice much difference in base defenses. VERY IMPORTANT NOTE I JUST THOUGHT OF: Construction/Repair speed is adversely affected by structure health, and all structures decay (faster - the House Decay Factor is decay in the absence of a power outage) during insufficient power. We'll need to consider this for the pre-Starport missions.
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Coudn't the genesis version be an alternative? I'm comparing to the playstation warcraft 2 run, which i really liked.
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Pokota: >Even if you can direct the Fremen, ... Should this be "can't", or can you direct the Fremen in some versions? The one I played Fremen were always AI controlled and attacked the enemy base as soon as they spawned. >The Saboteur is the fastest foot unit ... It doesn't matter, because any base defense will shoot it down in one hit. If there is no base defense, you have already won anyway. (The saboteur also has the habit of running into walls and blowing them up, but that's probably no problem for a TAS.) I predict Ordos Palace just isn't worth building in a speed run. >Construction/Repair speed is adversely affected by structure health, and all structures decay (faster - the House Decay Factor is decay in the absence of a power outage) during insufficient power. This is very interesting info. Do know more about how this works? - How much is building/repairing speed affected? Does 50% health mean 50% building/repairing speed? - Is harvester unloading speed affected? - How does decay when you have power work? I have noticed it, but the hints in the game tells nothing about this. thommy3: The Genesis version could be interesting to see (a topic was started on that a good while back) but it's really a different game with similar mechanics. It doesn't have the same unit stats or buildings, different graphics, different control interface due to lack of mouse...
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Even if you can direct the Fremen, ...
Should this be "can't", or can you direct the Fremen in some versions? The one I played Fremen were always AI controlled and attacked the enemy base as soon as they spawned.
I honestly can't remember if they can be controlled or not. I generally avoid building palaces myself since you're warned by the mentat not to lose your palace. Either way, Fremen can be squished by a Harvester.
The Saboteur is the fastest foot unit ...
It doesn't matter, because any base defense will shoot it down in one hit. If there is no base defense, you have already won anyway. (The saboteur also has the habit of running into walls and blowing them up, but that's probably no problem for a TAS.) I predict Ordos Palace just isn't worth building in a speed run.
It really isn't worth building. The AI is moderately capable of sneaking one in to your base because the player can get distracted, but that's about it. Maybe this could be a reason to select the Ordos territory for the penultimate mission, since in a TAS environment you'd be able to prevent a saboteur from doing anything meaningful anyway.
Construction/Repair speed is adversely affected by structure health, and all structures decay (faster - the House Decay Factor is decay in the absence of a power outage) during insufficient power.
This is very interesting info. Do know more about how this works?
  1. How much is building/repairing speed affected? Does 50% health mean 50% building/repairing speed?
  2. Is harvester unloading speed affected?
  3. How does decay when you have power work? I have noticed it, but the hints in the game tells nothing about this.
  1. Structures are affected by health in different ways, all of which are lead to inefficiencies in production.
    • Build/Vehicle Repair speed seems to be determined by (Unit Build Time / Building Health Percentage). I'll have to test this further. All factories and the Repair Facility follow the same rules, so I'm lumping them into the same category.
    • Base Defenses follow the same rules as Units when firing from low health - it fires one shot instead of two, and fires more slowly. I don't think it's proportional to health remaining so much as it merely cuts in half once you hit half health. Will test this though. From descriptions, Base Defenses are supposed to stop functioning during an outage but I have only seen Player Rocket Turrets fail during an outage. All Regular Turrets and AI Rocket Turrets are not diminished by mere lack of power outside of outage decay.
    • A Windtrap's power output is simply it's health percentage.
    • Harvester unloading speed is unaffected by damage, though I think random credit loss is more frequent with damaged refineries/silos. Not sure though. I also do not believe that the Harvester... harvests less quickly due to damage, but this also needs to be checked. If it does, then that reduces further the value of the Harvester as cheap anti-personnel.
    • Non-production facilities such as the House of IX or the Radar Outpost do not see any other drawbacks to low health, and obviously anything not actively producing can be neglected once no longer needed.
  2. Starting with Mission 3, each house has a "Decay Factor" that determines how much weather damage (for lack of a better phrase) a house's structures take even when properly powered. Atreides takes 1 damage every time unit, Ordos take 2 and Harkonnen take 3. I have to go back and test to see if this is merely amplified during a power shortage or if shortage decay is a separate thing. My understanding was that this originally was only supposed to happen for buildings without proper concrete cover but it was accidentally made global, and I suspect it was left global to prevent the player from playing wholly defensively and merely denying the AI access to spice after the AI's local spice fields were exhausted - because upkeep still has to happen in the absence of AI attacks, the player still has to harvest spice to keep the upper hand. All lack of concrete does as of 1.07 is cause you to start the building as weak as 50% health (depending on how covered the ground was at build). One final note: Decay Factor does not bring buildings below 50%. I can't remember if Outage Decay can bring it below 50% or not but I don't think that will either.
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Better way to answer the build speed question is to demonstrate. Link to video One thing I need to check and haven't had the opportunity to check yet is if the Frigate gets delayed or if Starport deployment gets delayed because of damage to the Starport - it's not something I really use all that much, despite it being Instant Reinforcements, because I play far too defensively to win fast. On the same token, starting from Mission 5 (the first time you can build a Repair Facility) the AI is completely wrecked against defensive play by... building a Repair Facility closer to the front than your Heavy Factory and making your defense units guard it. It's tied for the Heavy Factory on AI priority (and is given higher priority than a Palace), and has the same amount of HP and is somewhat more useful at army size maintenance given it's cheaper to repair vehicles - by a fairly wide margin - than to build new ones (and a walled-off Repair Facility combined with a few carryalls means instant reinforcements at the front if we can prevent lucky shots taking out carryalls). However, it does cost an entire harvester's worth of credit to build at 700 Solaris (not too much worse than the Heavy Factory's 600).
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Thanks for the testing! It appears as if the relationship between structure health and its production speed is close to linear. Thus it probably makes sense to always keep up core facilities at 100% in a TAS unless it's a question of having to wait for the next harvest or something like that.
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I should have posted about it I guess. I found the code for build speed, and added it to the wiki page linked in the first post. As you said, it is exactly proportional to building health. That test is very impressive. You have control over the building's health through a script or something? Perhaps you could check if Sardaukar/Fremen troopers have higher health or other stats than other house's troopers? The mentats suggest this but I haven't found anything in the source pointing to that being the case. >Base Defenses follow the same rules as Units when firing from low health - it fires one shot instead of two, and fires more slowly. I think base defenses always fire once, so low health doesn't affect that. >A Windtrap's power output is simply it's health percentage. I thought so too, until yesterday. In the source, it's obvious that power output is either 100 (if health is 51%-100%) or 50 (if health is 1%-50%). There is no inbetween, and the GUI is lying to us. The OpenDune source comments on this behavior and suggests that it's wrong. I haven't found anything to suggest that power outage affects anything other than the radar. The build speed is not affected at least. Doesn't seem like structures degrade faster either, unless degrade due to power loss happens in some other part of in the code than the usual degrade over time.
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In the source, it's obvious that power output is either 100 (if health is 51%-100%) or 50 (if health is 1%-50%). There is no inbetween, and the GUI is lying to us. The OpenDune source comments on this behavior and suggests that it's wrong.
Is that the only instance you have found where the GUI shows false info?
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I'll poke around in RAM with it later. It makes very little sense to do it that way however given how construction speed behaves - why generate the value correctly for factories but get it wrong for Windtraps? With that said, maybe it was done differently in an earlier revision. I do know that the radar shuts off if you allow decay past the total requirement (I rely heavily on the radar and have a tendency to say in the 76-80 range for Per Windtrap load. Plus getting a per-load of 80 is trivial given that's Radar + Refinery.) To finish, some word choice quibbling. I don't remember what the general name for f(x) = 1/x is, but it's not linear.
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I should have posted about it I guess. I found the code for build speed, and added it to the wiki page linked in the first post. As you said, it is exactly proportional to building health. That test is very impressive. You have control over the building's health through a script or something? Perhaps you could check if Sardaukar/Fremen troopers have higher health or other stats than other house's troopers? The mentats suggest this but I haven't found anything in the source pointing to that being the case. >Base Defenses follow the same rules as Units when firing from low health - it fires one shot instead of two, and fires more slowly. I think base defenses always fire once, so low health doesn't affect that. >A Windtrap's power output is simply it's health percentage. I thought so too, until yesterday. In the source, it's obvious that power output is either 100 (if health is 51%-100%) or 50 (if health is 1%-50%). There is no inbetween, and the GUI is lying to us. The OpenDune source comments on this behavior and suggests that it's wrong. I haven't found anything to suggest that power outage affects anything other than the radar. The build speed is not affected at least. Doesn't seem like structures degrade faster either, unless degrade due to power loss happens in some other part of in the code than the usual degrade over time.
First. I wasn't aware that OpenDune is considered a perfect recreation of the original source. There are unused flags in the building/unit data that the editor I use doesn't know what they do, does OD account for those flags (or maybe they're just bit padding?). Second: I'm running Cheat Engine on the research side of things so that I can manipulate ram directly. It's how I found the build speed/structure health correlation (not exactly proud to admit it, but it is what it is). Because structure and unit starting health values are known, it's relatively easy to find the right one (and the Player's Starting CYard is pseudotrivial because it doesn't move around in RAM - unlike other units and structures) and poke it. If there's a DosBox or JPC-rr build (NOTE: I've never actually set anything up for JPC-rr) that allows RAM manipulation/viewing, please let me know so that I can start pinning down addresses to watch. I'll poke around with the Sardaukar and Fremen units - I haven't seen anything from the hacking side of things to suggest they're discrete units either. Most of what makes the Mission 4 and 7(?) Sardaukar spawns and the Palace Fremen spawn dangerous is that they come in large numbers in a small amount of time. Third: No, Base Defenses do not shoot twice, but they do shoot slower in the Yellow - much like the other single-shot units (Solo footmen, who don't live long enough to demonstrate this property, and the Atreides Sonic Tank). I was lumping Base Defenses in with other Units because it's true for both that firing patterns change at half-health. Fourth: Lack of power should cause structure decay (since this was globalized in the release builds, power doesn't visibly affect this - it's easy to check if low power decay is just being trumped by it though), a dead radar (known to be true), and failure to fire Rockets from Rocket Turrets (I don't remember if their regular shots also get nixed but I do remember the rockets got nixed). Fifth: I'm (still) testing from EUR 1.07, there may be versioning differences.
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That test is very impressive. You have control over the building's health through a script or something? Perhaps you could check if Sardaukar/Fremen troopers have higher health or other stats than other house's troopers? The mentats suggest this but I haven't found anything in the source pointing to that being the case.
I just played the entire game as Ordos. I can say that in the final level the Sardaukar and Fremen troopers are significantly harder to kill (without squishing them) than the Harkonnen ones. It seems the Fremen are stronger than the Sardaukar. Unfortunately all the UI shows is some bar with no indication of actual HP or armor stats or something else to indicate why they last longer. Edit: According to the player's guide, the Sardukar are stronger than regular troopers because their rearm time is almost half of the other troopers, so they shoot much faster. It also says Fremen troopers have double the hitpoints. I don't see it in the Open Dune source code anywhere, but from actual play, it seems to be accurate (or very close to being accurate).
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Hmm... I have an ordos save close to the ending; I'll muck around in RAM to see what's going on with health and whatnot. Just because I don't see them as discrete units with my hacking tools doesn't mean they're not. (It does mean that I'll have to add them to my spreadsheet though. I'm hoping what's on the infopage already is accurate as that would simplify things). E: Nach, can you look in OpenDune at the house definitions for Fremen and Sardaukar? It may be a factional property rather than a unit one, which would explain why they're not in the editor (and why Super Dune 2 doesn't give Sardaukar or the Fremen a Barracks) E2: Just confirmed power checking with the bare minimum base - the UI is reporting Power I/O properly - I have a need of 60 and an output of 59, and my radar shut down as expected. Just confirmed that Sardaukar have a base HP value of 110 (not sure how to check rate of fire). Repairing appears to be in chunks of 10 HP/Time (so structural repair speed decay is not a thing) To clarify, I've been using Repair to refer specifically to the actions of the Repair Facility. I don't think I made that clear before.
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By the way, if anyone's interested, here is the unofficial changelog for v1.0 to v1.7. Featuring at times hysterical changes such as "the maximum overall number of buildings that can be present on the map reduced from 81 to 80". Priorities, lads, gotta set them right! Overall it appears to make the game significantly easier. I'm not sure if any of those changes work in the TAS's favor, seems like the opposite is more likely. Another interesting thread on version differences.
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Pokota wrote:
E: Nach, can you look in OpenDune at the house definitions for Fremen and Sardaukar?
That's actually the first thing I checked. Nothing jumps out at me there as being some kind of multiplier for shooting speed or hitpoints. The Sardaukar troopers though have a different picture for them, so the game is definitely seeing them as unique.
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Hm... I'll play around with Trooper/Trooper Squad stats and see if that changes the Sardaukar in Mission 4 any. E: So I just found the US 1.0 and 1.07 versions. Structure Repair is crazy expensive in 1.0, and with how the CYard is set up it would bankrupt you to keep it in full repair. There's going to fun be had now.
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Just FYI about the maps I posted, they're from v1.0. v1.01 adds a Construction Yard to the second level for the enemy team. AFAIK, they did not change the maps in any version after v1.01 except in a later demo version they put out in which they intentionally made the computer weaker.
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