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Zugzwang wrote:
Sorry about the triple post. Baxter must be on vacation...... or maybe sick of me finding improvements :P
Yeah, I was on vacation. It's great to hear about all of the improvements, I'll check them out shortly (probably tomorrow) when I have some time.
Kirkq already linked to the best place to upload fcm's or other emulator movies. The fm2 files can be played with FCEUX, which (among all other TASing emulators) can be found here.
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Zugzwang wrote:
HA not sure what the hell I did.
So i said to myself wow he must have found an improvement on the variation I didnt try. Checked it and sure enough 112. So I wentback to my own and... WTF... 112. So the variation I counted was in err two steps bummer, its all you. Ill see I cant squeeze out any more steps.
Of course the solution involves pushing the block from upper left to upper right then going around and pushing down. :)
Yeah, indeed... that's what makes it faster :)
So yours what also 112, but you counted wrong?
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Zugzwang wrote:
I found another 2 step improvement in 8-4
That level is now 114 steps to the chest
Get the rightmost heart last. See if you can find it :p
Hmm, I'm not sure if we use the same strategy. I made a 4 step improvement, (2 steps faster then your version). I still have to do more testing though...
Edit: made like 5 different versions with the same amount of steps now... maybe I'll try again later.
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Zugzwang wrote:
Incredible! 2-3 Go up and take one step right then go left, you'll get the rest :) I'd never seen it because I dont use your solution for this level.
Ill go back over the levels we dont do the same and take a tenth look. ;)
Edit: Sorry I just realized (two minutes later) its faster stepwise but may not time right with the don medussa
Yeah, it's like Nitrodon said, the time frame for moving past the don medusa is really short. I do have to wait a few frames to move past him, but pushing the block at the start even one tile to the right and you will be too late to move past the don medusa. I have already tried this before, but the time frame for moving past it is too short :(
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I completed the fm2 movie file, which includes all the latest improvements: 6 improvents found by Zugzwang, and one by me.
Note: 1 full step is 16 frames
Level 3-1 46 frame improvement (Zugzwang)
Level 3-2 43 frame improvement (Zugzwang)
Level 6-1 16 frame improvement (Zugzwang)
Level 6-3 7 frame improvement (Baxter)
Level 8-4 16 frame improvement (Zugzwang)
Level 8-5 138 frame improvement (Zugzwang)
Level 9-3 41 frame impovement (Zugzwang)
This version was quite lucky with the random length of dark screens (varies sometimes by a frame), which also saved 2 or 3 frames. In the end, this version is now 309 frames (a little over 5 seconds) faster than the published run.
At this point, I didn't find any improvements that weren't mentioned in this topic before this post. I did know what caused me to not notice the 9-3 improvement before it was mentioned by Zugzwang... going all the way down while waiting at the start manipulated the movement of the second leaper coming out. This is why I misunderstood the improvement at first, since the key to the improvement was not moving all the way down (which Zugzwang couldn't know).
I'll leave this movie here, and will check out some levels again, and if I, Zugzwang, or anyone else doesn't find an improvement in the next few weeks, I'll submit this movie.
Also, the published movie was labelled "v10"... and while it probably is the 10th version, I have only made 9 submissions, so for consistency, I named this movie v10 (which would correspond to the number of submissions).
Edit: The fm2 still also completed Defenders of the Crown.
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DrJones wrote:
The problem with The Legend of Zelda is that the cool glitch is missing from the current run. I'll vote it anyways, but down know if it is a good candidate.
The second quest run could be starred also. If NES Zelda gets selected, I guess I will make a group containing first quest and second quest.
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By the way, Lolo + Defender of the Crown also belongs to this concept. Lolo for the win!
Yeah, but the fact that this completes more than one game doesn't make it starworthy ;). I bet I could beat over 10 games, while still completing Lolo as fast as possible... but I don't think it would add anything in entertainment.
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I added Aria of Sorrow to the Castlevania group.
@AngerFist: don't know if it changes much... but you seemed to have looked at the list on page 7, while there is an updated list on page 9... might change some things (or not).
Bezman wrote:
I still haven't watched every single run listed, but I'd like to agree with those who suggested a 'puzzle game' category.
Tetris Attack, Kirby's Avalanche, Wetrix or Tetrisphere would be great at showing how ridiculous these games get when being TAS'd.
On where this star should come from: arkiandruski wrote:
I'd take it away from either special concepts or N64 personally.
Do more people feel this group should be created? If yes, which star should it take? If yes, should for instance Arkanoid fall into this category?
It would also be possible to list some of these suggestions by Bezman in the special concept group, and keep the groups as they are. Any ideas?
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Zugzwang wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTCwcwjzyCE
The idea was to avoid going back and forth on the second pass down. Also I believe not ending on the right side of the screen may save steps. I do have to give two away getting the last heart differently and one at the very end for timing.
Wow, very nice. I wonder why we (or anyone else) never thought of going up there before blocking that second don medusa.
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Mukki wrote:
I'm not sure if I agree with this category at all now. Is its purpose to reward runs that are so undeniably representative of TASing that they must be starred? Or is it just a pedestal upon which to put runs that have completely trancended their own categories? Originally, with movies like Gradius in here it was the former, now I believe it to be the latter. I think Gunstar Heroes can take its star back to the Gens/Snes section since it will win it anyway (I think 3 stars between two well contested consoles is reasonable), and since there seems to be some support for removing the N64 category then SM64 may as well just have that star.
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My reasoning for the instant stars was the following: Eventually, some TASes will be picked to have stars and others won't. The final goal is to get every TAS that gets a star into the instant star category, and delete the group it leaves behind... so this will in the end produce a group with all the starred TASes.
The more TASes are listed in the instant star group, the closer we are to having the list. About every TAS in this group, there would be some agreement amongst as many people as possible, so these would only have very little debate. So I only put the TASes in this group that everyone already basically agreed on (or at least, that I got the impression that this was agreed on).
There were only very few I was sure enough to do this for, so I had only 4 in here at the initial list. In the end, it showed that these weren't really undebatable as well, and in the updated list (which I will post shortly), I decided to put excitebike and gradius in other groups for this reason (after your post, I might also consider putting SMB3 in another group, although I currently think I might just leave it in the instant star group). I added for instance Gunstar Heroes, as nearly everyone was very clear on this getting a star.
So by this process, of changing the groups, moving some to the instant star section which are decided upon by enough people, I hope to get closer and closer to a final list. I for instance also plan to split the Metroid group into a Super Metroid group, and a Metroid group (which holds the other Metroid runs (NES and GBA)). I did this, since people pretty much agreed that at least some Super Metroid run should have a star. This makes things more specific, and thus closer to the final list. The more instant stars, and the more specific groups, the better. It is the process of getting these that matters.
For instance at SMW, it was already pretty clear that people wanted at least one of these TASes to get a star, so it was ok to start out with a relatively specific group.
Maybe it should have a different name than "instant stars" though... since they aren't that instant in this case.
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arkiandruski wrote:
I'd take it away from either special concepts or N64 personally. There is still a good chance that either Tetrisphere or Wetrix will get the star.
I'll keep this idea in mind, but won't do anything concrete right now.
arkiandruski wrote:
Also I think the reason that certain Genesis runs didn't get support was because of overwhelming support for Gunstar Heroes. Maybe they deserve a second chance. I'd put Comix Zone back up to see how it does. That makes my vote in the combined SNES Genesis group Biker Mice and Comix Zone.
Ok, fair enough... Comix zone was suggested by someone else, so with you, that makes two, which is probably enough to at least list it at this point. I do wonder where to draw the line though (or shouldn't there be a line?):
Comix Zone
The Mask
Ecco
Dynamite headdy
Bomberman 2
Should these all be added to that list? Do they seriously all stand a chance against the currently listed runs in that group? Bomberman 2 was for instance your suggestion once... but you don't seem to list it currently. I could of course just list them all, but I was aiming to make the lists a bit smaller, removing the entries that had little response. I'll add Comix Zone and The Mask for now. If someone feels strongly about any of those other runs (or any other run in general), feel free to let me know.
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Bezman wrote:
I'd like to agree with those who suggested a 'puzzle game' category
The real question is, which of the currently assigned 24 stars should it get? We mustn't give away stars to categories too quickly, the total number of stars is somewhat limited.
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Here is an updated list, taking some of the recent posts concerning the previous list of groups in consideration. I'll write down comment on changes in each group. The runs in yellow are the currently preferred runs in that group, or currently most popular. It does not mean that these runs will have stars, but just gives a small indication of the current general opinion. Stars that are sure to get a star will be moved to the instant star group. If there are no yellow runs, there is no significant preference yet. There were previously 23 potential stars, and now 24. The combined remains of the SNES+Gens groups deserved an extra star.
Instant stars (2 Stars)Super Mario 64 "0 star"
Gunstar Heroes "2 player"There were some comments about Excitebike and Gradius, which made it seem more fair to put them in other groups. Excitebike is now in the NES group, as a preferred run, and Gradius is now in the special concept group as a preferred run. They added one potential star to those groups.
The recent posts above this post also questioned the validity of the instant SMB3 any% star, so this one has also moved to the NES group as a preferred movie.
Gunstar Heroes "2 player" is the undisputed winner of the Genesis group. Basically everyone only mentioned this run. Since the Genesis group only had one star assigned, so the it was combined with the SNES group, which was also pretty small after some changes.SMW (1 Star)SMW small only
SMW any%96 exit and SDW are removed from this group, due to lack of popularity for them to have this star. The popularity for these two runs having this star is pretty close though, so more opinions needed!Sonic (2 Stars)Sonic 3 & Knuckles
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic The Hedgehog
Sonic The Hedgehog 2Sonic 3 is a run of extremes. The amount of positive feedback it got would warrant coloring this TAS yellow... but there were also quite a few people saying especially this TAS should not get the star. It therefore remains green just like the others.Super Metroid (1 Star)Super Metroid any% glitched
Super Metroid any% real time
Super Metroid any% ingame time
Super Metroid 100%I made a Super Metroid group, since nearly everyone at the Metroid group was in favor of giving Super Metroid a star. It was however not totally clear which of the runs should get it. The 100% run is very popular... but some argue that a shorter run should have it, since it's likely a GBA Metroid run will be a 100% run also.Metroid (1 Star)Metroid Zero Mission 100%Metroid any%
Metroid Fusion 100%The new Metroid Fusion 100% run was added here. At this point, Zero Mission is the most popular, so it's yellow. If you disagree with this, speak up! ;)Megaman (1 Star)Mega Man 1
Mega Man 2People are very undecided on this, it's very close. More opinions needed!Rockman and Forte (1 Star)Rockman and Forte any%
Rockman and Forte “100 CDs”This got a lot of votes in the SNES group. People were however undecided on whether the star should go to the any% or the 100CD run; therefore this new group.Zelda (1 Star)The Legend of ZeldaLinks Awakening DXI removed A Link to the Past... the current run has virtually no support at all. When Tompala finishes his run, there will be a debate about this though. The Legend of Zelda is yellow, since currently, most people tended towards this TAS.Castlevania (2 Stars)CastlevaniaCastlevania: Harmony of Dissonance
Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
Castlevania: Aria of SorrowThe NES run is very popular... at this point, the most likely scenario is the NES run, and one of the GBA runs getting stars. Super Castlevania IV was removed.Wire TAS (1 Star)Ninja Five-0
Umihara KawaseSpiderman 3
Bionic CommandoI didn't remove Spiderman 3 and Bionic Commando yet... but it seems to go between Ninja Five-0 and Umihara Kawase at this point.Special concept (3 Stars)MMX+MMX2
GradiusKings Bounty
Monopoly
River City Ransom
Lost VikingsGradius was added as a yellow movie to this group, as there were already quite a few positive comments about it. MMX+MMX2 also provides a concept people generally agree on that should be represented. There is however another star available here, which could be any of the listed ones. The four player movie was removed for lack of support.NES games (5 Stars)Super Mario Bros 3 any%
Excitebike
Battle of OlympusNinja Gaiden 2
Darkwing Duck
Mega Man 5
Gimmick!
Super Mario Bros 2
Journey to Silius
Arkanoid “Warpless”
Legend of Zelda 2
Battletoads “2 player warpless”Excitebike and SMB3 any% were added here as popular TASes. This means they brought their two potential stars from the instant star group to this one. Battle of Olympos the most popular of the previously listed ones. Batman got removed.SNES/Gens games (2 Stars)Biker Mice from MarsSparkster
Donkey Kong Country
Golden Axe
Rocket Knight Adventures
Comix Zone
The MaskThe Genesis group has one potantial star for its group, and Gunstar Heroes was by a GREAT majority selected to get that star. In order to not remove all the runs that were listed there two were combined with the SNES list to form the SNES/Gens group. Rockman and Forte was popular enough to get its own group, so it was removed from the SNES group. BMFM was also very popular in the SNES list, so it's yellow. Yoshi's Island wasn't popular at all it seemed, as was Bomberman 2, so they were removed from the SNES list. Ecco and Dynamite Headdy were removed from the Genesis section due to lack of support. The SNES/Gens list however would have had only the one remaining star from the SNES list, and with these great runs, I decided to give this category an extra star. So there are two stars now for these runs.N64 (1 Star)Majora’s MaskGoldeneyeMischief Makers was removed from the group due to lack of positive feedback, and Super Mario 120 stars wasn't considered needed by most, since the 0 star run was already there, so these two were removed. Out of the two remaining runs, Majora's Mask is the most popular at this point.
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If I start quoting your post again, it will only get confusing, but here is my response:
I very much considered all the quotes you made, and I am very aware of them. I think I even adressed them here:
Baxter wrote:
There were only very few I was sure enough to do this for, so I had only 4 in here at the initial list. In the end, it showed that these weren't really undebatable as well, and in the updated list (which I will post shortly), I decided to put excitebike and gradius in other groups for this reason (after your post, I might also consider putting SMB3 in another group, although I currently think I might just leave it in the instant star group).
Here I basically say that I agree that excitebike and gradius got enough response to place them in regular groups again. So here we don't disagree.
klmz is the only one, besides you just now who disagreed with SMB3. Only klmz wouldn't have been enough to weigh up against the massive support SMB3 has. With your post now also, I said I reconsidered it again... but I'm still not fully convinced here. If a third would be of this opinion, then I would instantly place it back... but you seem to be so massively outnumbered in this case. But ok, two is more than just a single person having some opinion, and you gave your reasons, so I will also place it back into a regular group. I just know I'm gonna get flamed for this by others (and I think it won't matter in the end, and only slow the process down, but ok).
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moozooh wrote:
Baxter wrote:
I'll post a tentative list of the groups and how many stars there might be reserved for the groups. Nothing is final or anything. I will be happy to hear suggestions for:
- Adding/removing/changing groups
- Adding/removing TASes to existing groups
- Changing the number of stars reserved for groups
- Anything you feel is important/overlooked
Instant stars (4 Stars)
Big fat "no". Anything "instant", which basically means exemption from other categories, or logical reasoning at all, is very much against the idea of making star selection reasonable in the first place. It makes the whole process very controversial (despite striving to be otherwise), and serves no good reason on its own. The stars assigned here may as well be scattered among other categories as well.
Baxter wrote:
Super Mario World (1 Star)
Devoting a separate star to a series might be slightly biased, but acceptable, considering the collective experience at this point. But making a single game (ok, 1.5 games if we count SDW) of the series a separate category is no better than tossing it among the "instant" stars or some other stuff like that.
My reasoning for the instant stars was the following: Eventually, some TASes will be picked to have stars and others won't. The final goal is to get every TAS that gets a star into the instant star category, and delete the group it leaves behind... so this will in the end produce a group with all the starred TASes.
The more TASes are listed in the instant star group, the closer we are to having the list. About every TAS in this group, there would be some agreement amongst as many people as possible, so these would only have very little debate. So I only put the TASes in this group that everyone already basically agreed on (or at least, that I got the impression that this was agreed on).
There were only very few I was sure enough to do this for, so I had only 4 in here at the initial list. In the end, it showed that these weren't really undebatable as well, and in the updated list (which I will post shortly), I decided to put excitebike and gradius in other groups for this reason (after your post, I might also consider putting SMB3 in another group, although I currently think I might just leave it in the instant star group). I added for instance Gunstar Heroes, as nearly everyone was very clear on this getting a star.
So by this process, of changing the groups, moving some to the instant star section which are decided upon by enough people, I hope to get closer and closer to a final list. I for instance also plan to split the Metroid group into a Super Metroid group, and a Metroid group (which holds the other Metroid runs (NES and GBA)). I did this, since people pretty much agreed that at least some Super Metroid run should have a star. This makes things more specific, and thus closer to the final list. The more instant stars, and the more specific groups, the better. It is the process of getting these that matters.
For instance at SMW, it was already pretty clear that people wanted at least one of these TASes to get a star, so it was ok to start out with a relatively specific group.
moozooh wrote:
Baxter wrote:
Special concept (2 Stars)
Kings Bounty (skipped game by luck manipulation)
Monopoly (skipped game by luck manipulation)
River City Ransom (playaround)
Both skipping games and playing around are no special concepts whatsoever. They are old, popular and well-known, and can be applied to a whole lot of games. This category, as I see it, should contain something rare and unexpected, and playarounds with skipped games should instead have categories of their own.
The rest I mainly disagree with on the basis of game choice, so I'll wait for an updated list.
Well, it depends on how "special concepts" is defined. It is certainly not meant as "a TAS from the concept demo section". It however came to me that there were some suggestions like "these must be a TAS in the star list that shows off this". So not for the general run (maybe also a little), but mainly for showing off something specific. This specific aspect could vary from one input completing multiple games (MMX+MMX2) to a game being completed in a really short time (Kings Bounty). These are hard to compare with other more regular runs. The only thing you can really compare to, and ask people, is which of these concepts are the most suitable for a star... I therefore grouped them together.
The game choices are just whichever suggestions were made. I am planning to remove the suggestions that didn't get much support to narrow it down, and get closer to a final star list. New suggestions are always welcome of course, but at this point, it's more about narrowing down.
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klmz wrote:
I nominate the Metroid Fusion "100%" that is being published. Judging from the ratings, it's better appreciated than the published MZM "100%", even with lots of "unnecessary" dialogues.
EDIT: And it shows the "linar" Metroid, which is different enough from Super Metroid.
I'll add this to an updated list, which I will post shortly.
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Finally! I managed to improve a level of my published TAS also :)
I improved level 6-3 by 7 frames (7/16th of a full step). The strategy at the beginning is exactly the same, but at the end, instead of using the leeper to block the medusa at the top, I used it to block the medusa at the bottom again, and use the green block to block the medusa at the top. I'm quite happy the new version will include at least one improvement of my own :)
I'll finish up the TAS with all new improvements by Zugzwang and this one of my own shortly, and will post it here. Then I'll let it sit here for a month or so, and check some levels again. If I, or someone else hasn't found another improvement then within that time, I'll submit.
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7-3: Question, with perfect accuracy is it possbly to:
get left heart
go up middle
get right heart
shoot upper right fire guy
shoot block madussa
shoot upper left fire guy
AND get chest before upper right hatches
I know I cant do it realtime but its frame close
I had already tried this before, and was sad this didn't work. Lolo is just a fraction of a second too late :(
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adelikat wrote:
Baxter wrote:
I really haven't heard an even remotely good argument why this concept of choosing stars is bad.
He just gave you an argument: Grouping the movies then assigning one of them a star results in picking the best of the group, which may not necessarily be a star quality movie as a result. You may not agree with it, and it may not be reason enough to form these groups, but it is an argument nonetheless.
Well, yeah... but like I said good argument. I think it's a bad argument because is someone is of the opinion that a bad movie will get a star with the current groups, then just say how stars should be distributed over groups, or if certain groups should be created or deleted. DrJones seemed to get this idea:
DrJones wrote:
N64 (1 Star) -1 star
Mario 64 0 stars is enough to represent this category, and it also has links to the more-complete runs in its description. No need to star the others, too. : P
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AKA wrote:
Baxter wrote:
I know what you mean, but you shouldn't see it this way. The lists aren't that rigid, as the number of stars for each category can vary, and could theoretically even be 0. If some pretty weak runs are making their way on the starlist because of this, then feel free to suggest which group should have fewer, or even no stars assigned to them.
I think these lists enable will create a bit of variety to start out with at least. I don't plan that if a TAS that is suited for a star comes along, to categorize it in a list first, and then remove a star from that list... so you shouldn't see it as something rigid like that.
The thing is I'm not really sure if the problem is with the defined categories; what's contained within the lists or the number of stars assigned to each section. They're is a lot of innovative categories you could have such as "2 player movies"; "movies with restrictions"; "severely glitched" and "demonstration*", but it is important that the movies are star material and not just considered the best within it's selected category.
* That particular example is admittedly very arbitrary and runs suggested would likely to be controversial
Like I said, these current TASes were chosen not on the basis of their groups, but the groups were formed on the basis of individual star suggestions (before there was even any talk about groups. If you insists, I could list for each TAS which people suggested it. The fact that you might disagree with their choices is perfectly fine... just post the reasons why you think certain runs do not deserve to be listed at all.
I really haven't heard an even remotely good argument why this concept of choosing stars is bad. If you have a problem with either a TAS, a group, or an assigned number of stars, then just say so.... I think I made this pretty clear at the top of the post with the groups...
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AKA wrote:
Meh, I'm not really in favour of rigid lists to determine movies. It will make it harder to remove them from the list at a later time. It's also allowing some pretty weak games on the list which will quickly come under fire, but will be hard to remove due to categorization issues. Movies should be one the list for their individuality and hence be good enough to be on the list in the first place; not because they belong to a certain group of games or list.
I know what you mean, but you shouldn't see it this way. The lists aren't that rigid, as the number of stars for each category can vary, and could theoretically even be 0. If some pretty weak runs are making their way on the starlist because of this, then feel free to suggest which group should have fewer, or even no stars assigned to them.
I think these lists enable will create a bit of variety to start out with at least. I don't plan that if a TAS that is suited for a star comes along, to categorize it in a list first, and then remove a star from that list... so you shouldn't see it as something rigid like that.
On the snes games:
Comicalflop wrote:
you picked 6 good choices :-( how to choose?
Mukki wrote:
Still not totally decided here, and to be honest I think better nominations can be made.
Funny.
Mukki wrote:
I'd like to see the R&F any% be starred as that run largely outdates the 100 CD run.
Someone else said the same. If we are later in the discussion, and R&F is decided upon to get a star, I'll make a R&F group first, with those two runs in it, and one potential star.
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Blublu wrote:
The Legend of Zelda
I'm fairly shocked you've mentioned it given can be improved by a few mins thanks to a new glitch.
Wow, you are optimistic. I would be VERY surprised if it saved 2 minutes... it's probably closer to one minute than 2 (not that I would mind if it turned out to be more). And it's not a new glitch... just a new application.
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People that are saying that all good nes games, or games suitable for TASes have been done are really wrong (I think). I'd love to see:
GI Joe - Atlantis Factor
Robocop 2
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 (Two player run)
Rockin Kats (improvement to the published full run)
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Bezman wrote:
There's a few movies on the list that are kinda ambiguous - specifically, River City Ransom, Sonic 3 and Knuckles and Monopoly. If you're willing, maybe even write the TAS code number next to them, so there's no confusion (and relative newbies like myself can get up to speed quickly.
Maybe later, when I have time.
Warp wrote:
Lost Viking is not a three-player game by any definition of the word.
(I didn't suggest this btw... it was suggested as an alternative to the 4 player movie) Either way, feel free to state a better, short description of the movie's concept. I'll hold on the current lable until you and the others reach some conclusion.
