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I'm actually pretty convinced, that the new MM TAS will never get beaten by a non-TAS run in the future, because a TAS is normally around 10-15 minutes quicker than a non-TAS run. that means, that we had to figure out stuff, that saves 15 minutes off the run, which is pretty unlikely
we've pretty much pushed the game to its limits. of course, there are small timesavers left to discover, but that should be all
only thing, that could possible happen once, is an all temples skip, but I doubt, that we'll discover something like this
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of course not
anyway, I highly doubt, that mega sidehop + jumpslash reaches more distance than a mega flip. it should actually be shorter
about the "do bridge skip with deku stick ISG":
to get bottle on B, we must have 0 deku sticks, so when we want to do the bridge skip, we have 0 sticks. means, that we have to get a deku stick as adult. the best place would be the kokiri forest store, but it would cost a good amount of 20-25 seconds to do that.
dieing to get stick on B also costs 10 seconds, so a bridge skip without ISG would still save 30-40 seconds, which is huge ;)
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hmm, there are actually no real downsides, but here is the only one:
when you save or death warp, while having bottle on B, you get deku stick on B again and you loose your master sword.
when you save or death warp without having the master sword in your inventory, it gets auto equipped to B, so you get the master sword automaticly back, but you loose the deku stick/bottle on B ;)
when you save or death warp on v1.0, you keep bottle on B and do not loose the master sword ;)
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Are you sure, that the lag is up to the version and not the system?
for example is it also up to the system, wheter you can use bombchus in voids or not
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2 reasons:
1. at the time, we get bombs, we have bottle on B. so no way to steal epona, because you can't activate ISG.
2. getting epona costs pretty much as much time as magic beans would save
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why do you say it is impossible?
you tested on console and I highly doubt, that you know all the different possible ways to possibly cross that gap with a mega flip ;)
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hmm, 60 rupees
lemme think. I got 50 rupees in my rupee route.
you can get the 5 rupees from the platform jumping outside the shop twice and simply get the 5 rupees before sidehopping to the vines
I'm currently testing all 4 possible new routes, btw
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hmm, I improved the rupee route of the old TAS by 3 seconds back in july already and discovered a new way to escape the forest, so it was obsolete at that time already ;)
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I've just discovered, how to get past the boulders in zora's river without bombs, so we can buy some magic beans, plant them at lake hylia and go to the fishing pond without the hookshot, which could save a good amount of time ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alaNDJq_5ug
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I was deep in woodfall temple already, when petrie discovered this trick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPStIqm3Npg&feature=channel_page
this made me re-do everything until that point
I'm in woodfall again and I'm currently testing some new strategy ideas for it
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ivmaddnessvi wrote:
Comicalflop wrote:
ivmaddnessvi wrote:
I suck at angles.
My rupee route fails.
Deku tree SB fails and 3rd text skip.
Have to put away deku stick so i failed.
Rerecords are included in TAS tools for a reason. Why don't you fix these errors if you know they exist?
I only have so little rerecords. Im doing a little test run to see if i can get faster than guano then im going to do a real one. Also this test run i feel is going to help me improve on my patience.
hmm, you shouldn't compare your stuff to guano's TAS. his stuff is more comedy than a speed run for today standards ;)
he played most parts of his TAS with a controller and 20% speed ;)
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thanks for all the positive statements from all of you guys :)
as long as you do not upload encode to youtube, you can create one, so everyone can watch it
Mitjitsu wrote:
Fantastic WIP MrGrunz, some very crafty and unexpected things. One comment I'd like to note is while you use angled backwalking in certain parts of the run you fail to use the diagonal backwalking trick which allows for faster acceleration at the start of backwalks. It also allows you to backwalk with greater precision allowing you to save 3-12 frames for every backwalk. Don't forget it also applies after you perform a backflip as well.
hmm, you know, MM has quick backwalking, what allows me to get immediately into backwalking animation after changing the angle unlike OoT ;)
swordless link did the whole first cycle and never used it, so I'm pretty sure, that the sideways walking thing saves no frames in MM.
but when I come home, I'll do a few tests to be 100% sure, wheter it saves frames or not
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at the moment, there's nothing in progress
a few weeks back I started a new all temples TAS, but when I was half through spirit temple, I went over to MM ;)
