A friendly debate occured at metroid2002 in order to solve a problem nate figured, here.
Everybody wrote lots of good observations towards the fact that people might not understand what a TAS is.
Propositions such as putting the word "cheated" were presented, but were disapproved by some users, and now we have been considering the problem solver as something that the TAS community would accept.
I proposed something else than a splash screen at the beggining of a movie, a video that shows how a TAS works, according to my theory that people don't guess what can a TAS be, since they don't have another picture in mind different to "the player has a controller and is playing on real-time conditions in front of her (his) TV."
Actually that also generated a lot of controversy, but could actually have your approval.
So, feel free to say what you think about it, how you would like it, and, if you can, record, animate, orchestrate something that shows a tool-assisted emulator system, such as slowdowns, savestates, frame-by-frame processing etc...
Just in order to get things straight : I want, as for the m2k2 topic, the topic to be a friendly debate about the question. Please, let this conversation be ordered : I made this for TASers and for real-time players, I love TAS and I love real-time speedruns, and I want no hatred against anyone, for I made that topic in order to help TASvideos and Speed Demos Archive about that problem.
Thanks in advance, I'm counting on you.
I'm really looking forward. Don't get too hasty though :P .
Really, do use any kind of trick with the car. It's really impressive to run through the car without getting hit, or anything else.
Oh and about your computer : I think the reason is the 200 W power supply. Sometimes my home got shut down because I was turning on my compy, but my compy was an old crappy Dell too >_> .
Repost edit : I can't hold still. The day is about to be June 1st, and each second brings us closer to a part of a run everybody may be looking for...
*drum roll*
The two falcons one is very interesting, it deals with a wide variety of moves. I liked it.
EDIT : Oh and the Link one was very funny and good, except for some useless moves at the end.
I didn't have problems with blue suit, yet I've heard of that problem. If you shinespark and get after that into an elevator, you MUST get blue suit, but I'm not sure if you must take that path after plasma. See here for further help.
Oh and good work for the walkthrough :)
Even better than before, but I liked the entertaining "tornado" frame-perfect thing after having stolen the thieves that is not in this one.
Lots of congrats about the rest of the movie, everything seems even more PERFECT!
EDIT : Oh... and yes vote
Oh okay. Too bad you can't hit it with your two legs... >_>
Anyway I just saw everything, and it's really amazing. I played Duke Nukem a lot so it brought back lots of memories hehe . Good work!
I liked this movie. I found, except for 3rd Bowser fight, that the stylistic choices were the best. Best parts were 2nd Bowser and Boo fights.
I thought it was faster somehow to launch the last mechakoopa earlier in order to stop the movie earlier, but is this accepted?
I voted anyway yes. Good job JXQ
More than an entertaining movie, it is a great piece of work.
I just thought after this that GA had been completely analysed for the best time. Very ingenious moves and a lot of fun.
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OMFG TYRIS IS SHIVA! You know... That jumpy Streets of Rage character =) .
So no dumb zack trickie... too bad. It took me a lot of time (I mean luck) to see that.
Send your movie when you reach 15 min. If you have done so, well, why not 15 and a half?
Repost edit : Could you please say where are you? Or "when" are you?
I just found it was a huge movie that perfectly aimed for the fastest time, while being greatly entertaining.
I just thought you could have been playing some more before Kraid or before getting to Tourian, but hey, those are just my two cents. I really liked how you kill lots of enemies on screen when you enter a room.
I loved that movie, because I played a lot Super Metroid, although I would understand that people would find it boring.
I see you are working on an improvement, well I am really looking forward to it.
I voted yes, congrats JXQ!
Thanks a lot for the support, I need it.
About the run, I made more than the half of 1-A, and I didn't take damage from the crouching guy, for I knew what was wrong. Now I'm heading to the easier (but not easiest) part of 1-A, trying to finish it before sunday although my parents have an eye on me.
Same as adelikat. Stage 1 has just two big problems : it appeared that it was possible to get through the spikes, and it was possible to kill the boss faster.
I don't see an enormous (yet it is large) difference between that tas and this.
But I don't think it's that problematic, I found it was flawless. And it is well played.
For that I vote meh, hoping that Neofix will improve his run. If not, I may try to improve but I wonder if I will manage to succeed.
About the Zacks trick : No I meant the one when Zack gets Blaze and doesn't succeed to hit her with his head. Here.
About your lazyness : Lol, you know, I know how it feels when you're trying to get your damn speedrun done, and when every day you just made 5 secs of real-time gaming. I say this is normal. And I know how it feels when nobody's there to support your run. Just thought I could put my two cents at every post >_> .
The link is working perfectly. Thanks a lot for your first post Sound Reaper, now I can see again one minute of perfect ownage 0_0 .
Guess I'll give some other opinions on 4-1's entertainment moves, or on 4-3, but glad :
1. you are working on the run no matter how fast
2. you decided not to redo stage 1
Good luck atro city
Repost edit : I got some stuff to provide some more fun about 4-1 but I wonder if it's gonna be useful, considering that atro city may be in the end of 4-1. The car trick is somehow trying to be solved, but I didn't manage to reproduce Blaze getting through the car, or Zan punching right when on the far left of the screen when the car comes from the left, allowing him to get through the car without jumping. You can use the "dumb Zack" trick at 5-3 (the elevator), but I wonder if it's possible to joke without losing time.
Good. Anyway I wanted to give a little tip :
I didn't know how I made that, and I don't think I'll be able to do it again, but Blaze (it can be any other player I don't know) just went through the car. I moved a little bit in front of the car, then I didn't move until the car went through me. It would be nice to see some kind of things like that.
Anyway I deleted by mistake the third of 4-1 and your link is dead, can I have the run on the internet from anybody here please?
Okay, I finished stage 1 and I'm pretty proud of it, but of course I can make that Itchy fight faster. I got some tricks after I killed him that may damage him faster. Abusive frame delay for luck manipulation purposes occured to make the bonus stage interesting.
Unfortunately, I cannot upload the movie on my webpage, but I'm using rapidshare for now.
I'll answer to everybody here :
Aqfaq:
It's all okay if you don't see more mistakes than I do. The point is : Do you find this interesting, do you have any questions about what I do that may need an explanation?
Does jumping on enemies save time? You jumped on some enemies and it looked like that moved Dick to the right quite fast.
In Dick Tracy, enemies bump Tracy to the left, a move that makes you lose time, so basically you can't get past an enemy, but if you do a well-timed (frame perfect) jump over a crouching guy, they bump you... to the right. That is some precious time saving, considering that Tracy is slow as hell. See next post from Truncated.
Truncated, my thoughts are exactly the same.
I'll go straight : This game is not really suited for a TAS, because yes, Tracy is extremely slow. I said I would get my fun on the car drives and boss fights, but it's going to be even more needed to make that run pretty interesting.
See that Itchy fight I made on the movie, I think I'll have to make it even funnier because it's is the only moment where I can stop walking to the right and do some entertaining moves. The car drive will be the same.
Actually a real-time speedrun can be more intersting because normally, a real-time player will have way more difficulties than a tool-assisted speedrunner. Some kind of pride, if you will.
Aqfaq wrote:
Yeah, it's not a fast game, but I enjoyed watching the movie. Hopefully the later stages have enough enemies to make more interesting.
Thanks, I'm pretty sure it will be interesting, too. I already got some ideas about finishing Stage 2-A without killing anybody in the background, I hope something good will result.
Xenophyte :
Hehe thanks for the game choice, I remember I used to play that game a lot without passing through 1-A >___<, I just found that game really cool and now nostalgy got me. So that's why I want to make a speedrun of it.
About the technical aspects, I need frame advance so much that sometimes I forget to turn the game speed in slow motion, frame advance is the key for jumping over crouching enemies and for reverse jumping. I would have given up if I had only slow-mo.
I realised recetly that reverse jumping causes a delay of around 2 frames, even though when I land while facing left I can be not slowed down whatever I can do. So I'll make a new version that will finish stage 1-A sub 1 minute.
Thanks a lot for your feedbacks. In France it's holidays now, so I'll have my time to do that TAS.
Enough talking, enjoy the run here.
Edit: Wow shortened the text.
Now I'm trying to make 1-A sub-minute, no damage, no break and as much kills as I can, but hell that will take me time. Please be patient until next update.
I'm off for some trip and I won't have access on my compy but I may be uploading 1-A in 2 weeks let's say. Good bye.