Too much focus on numbers and times.
For me, it's like taking the scenic route, and blowing past it at 1000mph or something. As opposed to, you know, enjoying it.
If linearity can be described as "needing x to get to y with no exceptions", then no game can truly be nonlinear.
I agree fully on the idea of exploration and being able to find your own, non-trivial path to be nonlinear.
I suppose you could place it as "number of things that you can do that are non-essential to the completion of the game". e.g. You must beat 1-8 in Zelda 1, but it is not essential to beat them in any order.
<shrug>
2. "The question cannot be "should this movie be published".
The person who votes in the poll is not a judge. They are usually able to say how they liked the movie, but they are not able to determine what is good for the site and what is not."
This makes no sense. Just because a person is not actually a judge doesn't mean he can't have an opinion, which is probably a good one anyway. Your statement would be very valid if the real judges just went with whatever the poll results indicated, but that's obviously not the case.
Edit: Makes no sense is stupid and harsh. To clarify, while it's true Joe doesn't know what's best for the site, he will generally have a pretty good idea. I find the voting polls to be pretty accurate in general. When/if they're not, the judge should be able to see that I guess.
Not to mention, but voting here usally requires some arbitrary number of posts before you can vote, so it should be expected that you have some idea of how the site functions.
Then again, KRocketNeo is right there proving that point completely false, so whatever.
To me, it doesn't matter anymore. My faith in judges to actually lead the site has dipped and the publish matter of submissions is something out of the community's control other than mysterious "influence", so even if a high percentage of "us" enjoyed a movie it can still be sent to the trash and vice-versa.
I don't even see why we have polls, considering it's stated all over the site that the votes of which have basically 0 effect on judging.
20 - 0 - 1
and it gets rejected. wow.
Dont you hate it when that 1 was a judge?
This is not the first time I've ever seen an "I dislike this movie, therefore I vote no and reject it even though all other votes were in favor of publication" (unfortunately).
But then again, everything's based on "improvability" and not "good to watch-factor" these days, so it should be expected.
Unfortunately, as always, I cannot watch the movie (N64...) but I did feel the need to point out that this is by far not the first time, and probably not the last time, that this has happened. Welcome to nesvideos.
Is it possible to hack a game so the demo input changes? That could make for very interesting demo movies. A hack with a built-in TAS!
Lunar Magic has a mode that allows you to do this using ZSNES. Install the title screen ASM hack, go to the proper level (C7? I am not sure currently), play the game however, using slowdown, savestates, whatever, and when you're all done just make one last savestate and use it.
I believe there is a similar system for SMB1, as well, in one of the many editrs (Mario Edit?)
I propose that any video that obsoletes a previous run, automatically have the previous submission text included. Or, perhaps a page devoted simply to a hierarchy of submission texts, with most recent being first.
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Surely I can't be the only one who thinks this idea is really, really, really bad.
Good: the game.
Bad: the ending (or lack thereof).
Seeing a movie end so abruptly with nothing else after it (even a reset or a way to lock up the game) just feels ... wrong somehow.
Voting meh...
It's actually a lot better in 3x or higher, especially on a dark background, but can see your point.
On the same thought, I think PJBoy's objects are a bit bright.
No, because there is a place in the rules where it says that a TAS of the game must be entertaining. The OoT run entertained many, while the SC2 one did not.
That's because many people hadn't ever played SC2, so they didn't know the planning behind the movie. If you would ignore the people who shouldn't have voted because they didn't know the game (which I think would be a logical rule to add), there wouldn't have been so many unfavorable votes or comments.
If only people who were familiar with a game were allowed to vote, that would introduce much more bias that without.
Jewel Master is a good example of this. "I've played this a lot before, so I can appreciate how fast it was beaten."... even if the run was boing to everyone else.
TASes are being created for an audience, one largely interested in runs that are interesting to watch. A proper run on Tasvideos should strive to be entertaining and fun to everyone, even a nonplayer.
Do note, howevr, that this is just an opinion, and I'm sure that we all know by now how controversial mine are :>
* Xkeeper inserts typical griping post about how this movie went from submitted to published in 3 days with no discussion at all about the color problem
Oh wait, it's Metroid, hur hur hur
Hey Xkeeper and anyone else interested in having color in the avi, it can be adjusted here by turning the dial under 'CONTRAST'. The options are "brighter" and "darker". But seriously, the game doesn't have color. Why give it color and not taint these?
It was decided before that this game looked remarkably better with psuedo-coloring, and as the unofficial Metroid 2 DX hack isn't allowed, well...
P.JBoy wrote:
Because Metroid II and the Wario Land series are the only game boy games that have their own preset colours in the game boy color
I don't think it was "only" as much as "notable" (quoting Wikipedia, as you did). Many games had preset palettes (Pokemon Red and Blue had, well, red and blue palettes).
Honestly, I just thought most people preferred it when viewed in psuedo-color... (that, and I'm not particularly against publishing other GB movies with psuedo-palettes either)
As always, consider this a request for a psuedo-encode.
Seems like it could be interesting, but naturally, without a way to emulate N64, I can't watch it. D'oh.
Can we, for god's sake, publish this one with colors?
Maybe?
Please?
I'm just curious, because last time most people agreed on colors=better, and then Adelikat (or whoever published it) basically went "colors suck" and did B&W, even after a long discussion about it.
I can post the color scheme I use for this game (based off someone else's, etc) if you want, but I stand by my statement that even psuedo-color is better than black and lame.
What? The final boss is destroyed, and then immediately the credit? It seems that all the plots were removed when this game was ported to the USA. Just compare this version with the Magical Doropie (J) to see what they have done to make this version so crappy.
Hello and welcome to last year.
In other news, the game involved a witch as well as various symbols of it, so naturally NoA went heavy on the censor-o-matic and you get the dumbed down YOU WIN YAY message.
If anything, you should be thankful that someone has enough courage to speak up
Get over yourself; is the goal of this site really important enough to make you a hero by voting no to everything?
Voting no because you think a run is boring is fine, but doing it just to be different/special/get attention is immature and a waste of time.
Idon't* votenoon** everysubmission**.
In short, your post falls apart right then and there. If you didn't already get my point, I vote "no" on a portion of movies I am not entertained by; the majority is by far "yes". I do not vote against a majority to "be different" -- my opinion is not with you and I am not voting with you.
* This post is a joke pointed at this thread
** I don't actually know where my post in this thread was. For the Ocarina of Time movie, I do remember it basically saying "this movie + commentary = best movie on this site by far," however.
I was considering doing something like this (if only as a demo; we all know how bad I am at TASing) when I found out about it a while ago, so it's good to see there was a real TAS of it made.
It's interesting to see the game beaten this way, since it provides a unique strategy compared to the other movie. I'm glad to see this one wasn't marked to obsolete it, at least :)
Voting: yes, even though the movie is long since published.
Indeed, the sound quality of this game creatively reminds me of the bathroom after a night of Mexican.
In any case, several points of this had me laughing and trying to figure out what the hell just happened, like falling off the level and winning in 1, or the flying into the tube in 2...
Voting yes, if only because it was fun to watch. (Although admittedly I probably would've overwritten the sound with midis or the NES version :P)
The only thing entertaining in this run were the boss fights, and even at the end of those you just stood there waiting for the text to finish without doing anything interesting. Most of the run was "___ has lost all his power!" and the other player running across the screen.
Voting: No.
Out of curiosity, when was the last time a sub-10 minute movie was improved by 2 minutes?
Who cares? Oh, right, speedruns, not superplay movies.
There seems to be only one naysayer, Xkeeper (note the one no vote). It's just that he's screaming as loudly as he can, which makes it seem like there a lot of them.
I like how, as my opinion now represents 0% of the audience, it's still getting crap.
And by the way, others have stated that they agree with me (in part or whole about the lack of entertainment in this TAS), so you need to think about what you're saying before you insert your foot fully into your mouth.
Sure, the run is not especially entertaining, heck I've watched all the previous runs and don't see much new except the new massive skip and a few optimizations.
But you want the run to be rejected because of that. You're the ONLY one out of about 120 that voted that holds that opinion. Get this; NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU.
Let me ask you, do you enjoy being argumentative and contrarian? Since you refuse to suck it up after you've been owned so hard, that's the only possible conclusion.
Yet you are the one taking so much offense at this... I am only getting annoyed because you continue to drag it on, never realizing that, hey, maybe someone might not like this movie. Gee whiz.
I never said I would reject it. I didn't enjoy the movie and thought it was rather boring overall. If it was a less-notable accomplishment, yes, I would have been completely for rejection, but this movie accomplishes something incredible overall.
I never expected anybody to agree with me, either, although if you had read the thread, you would see a few people beginning to see my point (Kles jumps to mind), and many other people who are not involved with Tasvideos seem to agree with me. <shrug>
And again, you are throwing out personal insults. You are only proving the problems brought up in my editorial true, and showing just how bad they are.
You need to realize that not everyone will agree on everything. Just because I disagree with you is no reason to be upset or angry. If anything, you should be thankful that someone has enough courage to speak up, especially concerning almost everyone's actions in this thread. If I wasn't such a stubborn asshole, I probably would've left the community already, and if not probably have at least stopped giving an opinion on this site's runs.
In summary:
There is a severe problem with "vote no" == "reject the run" in your heads. Voting 'no' currently answers one question and one question only: if you enjoyed watching the movie. It does not ask "should this movie be published"... and even then, who cares if I think the run should be rejected? Once again, it's an opinion -- I'm not going to suddenly multiply into 500 copies and get the run rejected, I just personally think it stunk.
And on that note, you all really, really need to stop taking this so personally. Even I'm getting tired of fighting this battle.
AKA wrote:
Yes I have and it doesn't work, I don't think the water works by doing a surface like RARE N64 games tend to do.
As has been shown before, most people find SSB's 1P mode (note that it is not a "story" mode) uninteresting for lots of different reasons. Mainly, it's hard to make this game entertaining AND fast
halting: error found
There is your problem right there.
So I like ranting because I think where Nesvideos is going sucks, and will probably continue to do so until the "post reply" button stops working.
Shrug.
