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zefiris wrote:
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the 100% with the glitched low% would obsolete the any%.
What's wrong with it? o_o Shortest movie and 100% full movie. We need something else?..
The subtle differences of a huge game breaking glitch to make the shortest movie sets it apart. There are too many incidences where this has happened (ALttP, Zelda2, CotM). That being said, the idea that 100% and hyper-glitch are all we need is, while an fair opinion, totally bogus. A "normal" fast playthrough is what this site was somewhat built on, just as all speedruns are.
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Well, no. The example is this:
SMB has an any% which is published, a warpless (100%), and the new glitched low% run.
ALttP has a glitched low% run and an any% run that is published.
According to TGPrimus, the glitched low% of SMB should obsolete the any%, since we won't miss anything due to the inclusion of the 100% warpless. That being said, the same logic would permit that if a 100% ALttP run were to be published, the any% would no longer offer anything of merit (much as the SMB any% doesn't), and so the 100% with the glitched low% would obsolete the any%.
So yeah. Bad logic, unless TGPrimus wants to make some double standards.
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TGPrimus wrote:
The way I see it Phil's run and the old run are both warped runs and Phil found a better route.
Uhh... a glitched route on a very different version of the game is not the same as "a better route."
Using your logic, if someone makes a 100% ALttP run, should it obsolete the any% nonwarp run? I mean, we still wouldn't be missing out on all the story and whatnot if we did that, right?
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TGPrimus wrote:
like in ALttP you're not SUPPOSED to be able to skip Ganon, but you can and it still ends the game
Bad example -> you concede the point.
ALttP has a game-breaking glitch publication and a normal publication. The heavily glitched run did not obsolete the non-glitched run (I know that it came out first, but you know what I mean). That being said, this should be published aside the other SMB run. That is, it should not obsolete it.
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I could only watch about 75% of this before I had to give up on it. This was entirely too repetitive for my states. This was interesting for about 10 minutes, and then I started turbo-ing through the things in between levels, then slow parts of stages, then whole stages. The game picked up again in the bonus areas, but only to a small extent. Eventually, the only highlights were boss fights or 'interesting' level layouts.
While I can definitely appreciate the work you put in to this, I really didn't find this entertaining. Maybe if the game wasn't so slow/dull, I would vote differently. Until the game magically improves itself, though, I'll be voting no (once I watch the last 1/4 of the movie).
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I think that JXQ's text link to the Bimmy screenshot was enough to clarify that joke. Maybe an asterisk with a footnote mentioning that the real name was Billy would have solved the problem. That's just my thought on that.
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kwinse wrote:
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I've read this entire thread but I still have no idea what is going on.
Neither do I, really.
A very concise summary. I'll try to keep this unbiased:
adelikat submits DD2 with some interesting albeit masochistic techniques.
JXQ comments on these with a fake dialog in the submission discussion, wherein he refers to Billy Lee as "Bimmy," which is a typo in DD3 that some people know about.
When the run is published, JXQ's dialog is put in the movie description since it was comical.
Phil edits the name "Bimmy" to Billy, since some people may not get the reference/assume that the name is actually Bimmy.
JXQ reverts the names to Bimmy, creates a text-link from "Bimmy" to show a screenshot of DD3 where the brothers are referred to as "Bimmy and Jimmy."
Phil reverts JXQ's edit, claiming that the name "Bimmy" is from DD3, not DD2, and so the name should stay as Billy.
JXQ removes the dialog entirely, for he chooses not being quoted over being misquoted.
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I would also like to see a list of names. If you list everyone who takes an opposing stance to you, though, that says more about you than it does about favoritism.
This whole "gang" theory (I hate the word gang, by the by) is ludicrous. Warp tried to convey the same thing when a large group of people gave arguments counter to his own in debate topics before. Why is it that just because a group of people who aren't enemies agree on something, they are automatically teaming up on other people. Why can't it be that there is just a majority of vocal users on the site who have the same beliefs?
In case you haven't noticed, many people in this "JXQ gang" have taken sides against each other in many debates on the site. Does that mean that there is faction warfare within these supposed clans? Maybe they are infighting so as to throw you off!
Honestly, though: there are no groups of people that single out other groups of people. Everyone has their own beliefs, and if other people share those ideals, so be it. Don't try to dismiss a large group of people opposing you as a malicious "gang" that is only against you because their friend is.
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Why should JXQ's joke be in the description if you won't quote him properly? That was the reason he reverted your edit in the first place. No Bimmy = no joke. He has the right to withhold his work if it isn't being displayed properly.
Amazingly enough, drawing from future works to make a joke about past works is still OK nowadays. I personally think that JXQ went to too great of lengths to ensure that people understood the Bimmy reference.
Why couldn't there just be a footnote that says "The name Bimmy actually appears in DD3, but it's still funny so HERE WE GO KIDS!"
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Bag of Magic Food wrote:
So what are you really asking for?
I think he wants Phil to either remove the SMB2 joke or accept the joke warning I added to it. An ultimatum of sorts.
I dunno. JXQ is weird and I don't follow his logic sometimes.
Phil wrote:
The jokes are allowed but if jokes are only for your gang to understand then it's clearly not needed.
Anyone who had followed the link would understand the Bimmy part. Anyone who read the submission discussion would find the reference. I don't think this is some joke that only a few people understood/appreciated. Even Bisqwit found it funny. (note: Bisqwit finds a lot of things funny. I only mention him because he isn't in the supposed "JXQ Krew." Bisqwit is a stand up fellow and I salute him.)
That being said, stop trying to fall back on this "you have a posse so there" argument. It isn't a proper rebuttal to what is being said, and the dismissal makes you look ill-prepared to defend your stance.
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JXQ wrote:
This should be more than enough to revoke Phil's editor status.
Now if I were as immature as Phil, I'd re-edit DD2's description to its original + screenshot + this hideous disclaimer.
I did that you jerk. Don't get my editor status revoked!
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SMB2 description updated. No more jokes allowed in movie descriptions without gigantic blatant warnings so that no one will confuse tiny ir/relevant as fact.
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xebra wrote:
Why do you even bother downloading and watching movies you know you won't like? That was a rhetorical question, of course, as everyone already knows the answer.
He only has a few choices here:
Know he won't like it, avoid voting, never have his opinion heard.
Know he won't like it, vote no, break the rules for voting without watching.
Know he won't like it, watch the movie to make sure he doesn't, vote no, have his opinion heard.
Know he won't like it, watch it, be cleverly amused, vote yes.
That being said, he probably chose the best course of action. That is, vote after watching, giving his opinion of whether he liked it or not. I can't really find any fault there.
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I don't get it. Why is rolling with the Bimmy joke (which didn't even originate from ANN, as was purported) such a terrible thing? Sure, this is DD2 and the typo came from DD3, but I don't think that that should hold someone back from making a relative joke. I'm sure I could make some analogy about the Mario or Megaman series in the same aspect, but I know that my point is already made.
Personally, I enjoyed the excerpt.
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funguy10 wrote:
How 'bout the fact that ALL of the hacks on this site have completely new graphics?!
SMB Air doesn't have new graphics, and SDW:TLC only has additional graphics. So ALL two (it's two, right?) hacks of the site don't have completely new graphics.
I think you should rethink your plan of attack here. That, or define what you mean by 'completely new graphics.'
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I doubt people would go through the trouble to encode their own movies (has this EVER happened?) but a watermark will just be pasted over anyway.
Yes, I've seen one or two people do it before. A lot of people also encode their own movies for YouTube (such as antd encoding his own version of Comicalflop's run) without adding disclaimers or linking to WhyAndHow. While that isn't theft, it does lead to confusion and other bad stuff.
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Vatchern wrote:
JXQ: I think Phil plans on improving this by more than 1 frame.
At what point do we not simply tell them where the mistake was and start doing the work ourselves?
Saying that you shouldn't tell someone where their mistakes were so that they themselves can obsolete it is accepting that popularity counts around here. Do you really think it's ok to hinder the improvement of a submission just so that someone else can get their name out there? I, for one, hate the idea that some people would be so bold as to hold out on others just so that they can get the credit for something.
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Wow, thats like 15% of the screen being intruded on. Even when there isn't a lot of action on screen, I'd still rather focus on a small amount of action than a text box popping up.
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DK64_MASTER wrote:
I suppose the best "relevant" watermarking would be to encode the video with the button presses included (is that possible)?
It's relevant to the run, but can also be obtrusive to the viewer.
While I would like keypresses to be included in the avi, it would not be very hard to edit them out/simply explain away. Most people might not even notice arrows popping around down there.
ZeXr0 wrote:
Wouldn't in be possible to put a little black line at the bottom of the movie file with the information, like a couple of pixel? or to keep proportion, having a line at bottom and at right?
If someone were to upload their 'stolen' movie file to a site that has a small video box (say, YouTube), a 2pixel line wouldn't even show up. I also doubt that you could fit anything within a 5 pixel thick horizontal line worthy of writing.
If we are seriously only trying to stop people from passing off our work as their own, watermarks and additionally intrusive texts won't stop them. You guys are overestimating the stopping power of watermarks. Think of it this way: if I wanted to pass off adelikat's SPO! run as my own on Youtube, one of three things will happen.
I will realize that there are too many disclaimers in the published version, and give up. This is good.
I will notice and edit out the initial disclaimer, but overlook the ones in the middle of the movie file. I post the edited version, someone points out that there is a disclaimer, and I have to pull it off the web to save face.
I notice and edit out the initial disclaimer, notice the rest of the disclaimers, get pissed off, and encode the run myself to ensure no disclaimers (hey, I might even add my own!). You will have a really hard time proving that this is not my work, especially when the majority of the internet is full of gullible people.
That being said, we can't really actively fight 'theft' on this site. If we implement watermarks, we're only going to encourage people to encode their own movie files. By doing what we're doing, we have a much higher chance of some jerk slipping up and including our disclaimers in his version of the file. As has been stated many times before, the only true way to avoid 'theft' of the work on this site is to close off all access to the input files to anyone but judges/publishers.
