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stanski wrote:
AKA: I think before even watching the video, based on the game, players, and the fact that this was a project that took forever to do, I knew it wouldn't matter what I voted because it would be accepted. Didn't you think the same? Votes really don't matter for projects like these, they will be automatically accepted.
At first I thought this was going to be another one of those dumb concept videos.
But dude, you broke my head.
Same here. I thought this was going to end up being a lame movie with lame restrictions. But this movie really IS a whole different play through SMW. Yes vote.
stanski: clearly people were predisposed to not like the run based on the restrictions. But the quality of the run and its entertainment value swayed their opinion, which is what should happen. Really the opposite of what you're saying.
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IMO concept demos are only games that somehow break the rules because they start from a savestate, use a cheat code/debug code, or employ an otherwise unorthodox TAS technique such as multi-game runs with the same input. Hacks could also fall into this category or be given a category all their own.
Concept demos are not legitimate TASes that just have different goals from the traditional "any%" or "100%." Examples of things that I would NOT consider to be concept demos are runs that have a different goals from "any%" or "100%" (such as SMW small only), 2-player runs (2 characters are controlled in the same game), pacifist runs, 100% kills, highest score, etc.
Allowing two runs from a set game ("any%" and "100%") in the regular game section seems like an arbitrary restriction and would cause lots of clutter in the Concept Demos section.
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This is probably my favorite screen shot that I feel is most appropriate (frame number is 46226):
My other favorites can be seen here. Thanks to PJBoy for compiling these. Of these, I like numbers 7, 10, 14, 18, and 19.
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Chef Stef's picture is kind of misleading because going into the wall to the key from that angle would not work because those side walls always kill you (we used the spring glitch to push Mario into the wall and test this). However, it should be possible to get the key from underneath the level when caped if you use the method DK posted above to get under the ground. The only questionable thing is being able to fly under that last long lava pool.
DK, I actually discovered that going through the ground thing on my own when I was doing the level small. I wall jumped up there but then just fell through. Its weird how theres no way to get the screen to scroll from there even if you run around on the yellow block.
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Quick note: the massive submission text apparently doesn't all fit in the automatically posted message above so to read it all you'll have to follow the link http://tasvideos.org/1593S.html
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Congrats on finally finishing this it is looking awesome! My favorite level was Misty Star World, you did some really inventive stuff there. A big hearty yes from me.
Also, I found out that pressing 9 on your keyboard makes the dark room in Boo's Tower visible for everyone's viewing pleasure.
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I actually have the Game Boy cartridge of Pokemon Jade. I got it from my cousin like 3 years ago and had no idea what it was until just now, although I knew it was not offically affiliated with Pokemon. Is it weird that I have a cartrige of a hack?
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I think it is okay to keep improvements a secret for a while if you plan to make an improved version of the run that would utilize those secrets, and thus reveal them when the time is right. Ex: Fabian's old SMW 96 run has known improvements, but Fabian does not need to reveal these improvements because they would spoil some strategies from the new 96 run he is working on right now. These improvements, not currently known to the general public, will be unveiled when the time is right to maximize viewer entertainment.
Disclamier: I have no idea what the situation with Phil and SMB2 is or whether or not he plans to improve it, I'm just talking in general terms.
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Saturn wrote:
I think this run isn't worth to be published anywhere else except as a concept demo eventually. I honesty was a bit bored watching it because of the too slow speed. But some small parts of the run (like shell-jumping) and the boss fights were once again very nice and entertaining performed, so because of it, I give it a meh instead of a no.
The intention of this run was to be published as a concept demo, not as an actual run.
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Star World 3 was quite cool. It had lots of interesting things happen in short time.
With one exception, I think this movie was very well made. There was no complaint.
Except that one exception: Specifically, the last battle didn't quite look perfect. The delays between Koopa throwing the mechakoopas and subsequently getting hurt from them, were quite long. It looked like it could be made faster.
I enjoyed this movie. My vote is "yes".
However, I have not verified whether this movie actually honors the rules it sets, and whether we should publish it at all for whatever further creations it might call forth, good or bad, and hence, I won't judge this movie yet.
At least, "walk at all times." is violated from the very first stage, as others have pointed out already.
For the Bowser battle, when holding the mechakoopa you cant press right or left (without violating the rules) which really limits what you can do. The rules of this run or more along the lines of "never runs" instead of "only walks" which would account for the hopping and underwater levels and SW3 etc. I can assure you that we never once "ran" in the run which is defined as pressing x/y + left/right at the same time, so it meets the goals it sets forth.
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I am going to attempt a non-assisted speedrun of this game using the newfound fading experience glitch to get the L100 Nidoking. I did a very informal run-through of the game on a plane with no maps, routes, or strategies at all really, just blazing through with the L100 Nidoking. I ended with a time of 2:11 and the current record is 2:28, but I think I can get sub-2:00 with proper optimization.
I am wondering where I should differ from the TAS of this game. What things would and wouldnt be possible to pull off non-assisted? Should I teach Nidoking the same moves as in the TAS or would those moves make it necessary to manipulate max damage toward the end (which I couldnt do)? Also, where would be the best place(s) to pick up all the repels I would need?
Also I have some stupid general questions:
1. Does the in-game clock run while the game is saving? What are all the instances (if any) when the in-game clock pauses or doesnt run?
2. What are the differences between repel and max repel? Is it level of Pokemon they are capable of repelling or the time/distance the repelling effect lasts for?
3. What does Rival's Eevee evolve into if you lose the first battle with him?
I'm pretty sure (for the TAS at least) letting Eevee kill you with 2 max critical Tackles is faster than killing him with 3 critical Thunderbolts at the beginning, especially if you have to go through all that paralyzed dialogue. If you lose this battle, you regain health afterward and dont black out, so losing on purpose would be beneficial, although it would ruin the "no damage" aspect of the run.
Thanks for the help.
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This run is aboslutely awesome. Whoever the authors are deserve some sort of an award for creating such a fine piece of work. I am voting yes and I suggest that this run obsolete JXQ's SMW 11-exit, Fabian's SMW 96-exit, the SMB Walkathon, and really anything else on the site. Excellent work!
EDIT: Also, would anyone be up for the task of encoding this run in a manner such that it will fit on YouTube? Thanks a lot.
And suggested screenshot:
http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshothu9.jpg
I dont know how to paste it in here its frame 37150.
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I just watched it and it looked very nice. I'm voting yes. I'm curious to hear the answers to all of Primo's questions and I have one of my own:
When you do the trainer fly glitch, does it allow you to not have to fight that trainer if you pass by him later? If so, are there some places where this could save time? I'm thinking one of them could be when you fight Rival just after the last gym. If you did the trainer fly to Vermillion you wouldnt backtrack much and might be able to avoid that battle if this works. This might save time in other places if it doesnt work for the rival battle.
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Shaded Spriter wrote:
The starworld shell jump was amazing. I can't wait to see the full TAS run and when it comes up for the vote it will definitely be a yes from me.
The run you're referring to was done by jimsfriend on console. It is not a TAS and is not being submitted here, but is being submitted at SDA (as far as I know).
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Scwizard, I am one of the authors of the currently in-progress SMW Small-Only TAS. This TAS will complete every level of the game as small Mario. Currently, we are at VD2b the second time through the world map after Special World.
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I agree that WIP was crazy. Definately looking forward to that run. Are you sure the sliding was frame perfect though? It looks kinda unoptimized in the tunnel. Also, is it not worth it to slide back and forth even when going straight? I know this was faster for MK:DD, but maybe not 64.
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Cool discovery. But I vote right now that we continue using the (U) version for all SMW TASes. Obsoleting a run just because of a different ROM seems like a bad idea to me, just look at the problems it created with SMB.
My other favorites can be seen here. Thanks to PJBoy for compiling these. Of these, I like numbers 7, 10, 14, 18, and 19.