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Any odds for a tas for bw?
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Jadextreme wrote:
Any odds for a tas for bw?
Every GDQ, I wonder if I should take up TASing, and if no one else is running these games, maybe I can. RTA speedrunners have already manipulated for IVs and encounters, so hopefully we can extend that indefinitely. But in-combat manipulation will take some experimenting. But since I'm new at this, I think the first WIP would just be a loose proof of concept, following the RTA routes. I'm sure running that will give us more of the info I need. The main route is a manip'd Tepig into manip'd Excadrill. We can try to guts route, but Excadrill's base stats and movepool are so good, we may not need it. I'm not sure if there's a preference between this or B2/W2. W2 seems a few minutes faster, but both runs are about 3:10 to 3:20. Challenge mode is considered a separate category because the added XP balances out the higher levels. Easy mode is actually considered harder, because XP is hard to come by.
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https://www.speedrun.com/pkmnbw1/thread/iia5e It's probably faster to use Tepig line all the way to the end for this game. I think it would be good to make becoming the champion the end point of the run, like Kaphotics's run did, since defeating Red is considered the end point of G/S/C/HG/SS runs. You might find Masterjun's Black 2 WIP(http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/44378127928492667) helpful, although I can't sync it.
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Fortranm wrote:
https://www.speedrun.com/pkmnbw1/thread/iia5e It's probably faster to use Tepig line all the way to the end for this game. I think it would be good to make becoming the champion the end point of the run, just Kaphotics's run did. You might find Masterjun's Black 2 WIP(http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/44378127928492667) helpful, although I can't sync it.
Agreed. Excadrill is a BW2 strat, because where you get them in 1 is too low level, lacking moves like Dig, and just before the bug gym. I'll keep an eye out for possible improvements. I'm just more familiar with BW2. RTA runs seem to end after N's speech, just before credits. It looks like last input on his speech, which is consistent with TAS timing anyway. The biggest issue now is sorting out my setup, because I'm not getting experience after fights. I know that's a solved issue, but I'm not sure if I have the wrong ROM, or the wrong emulator (RTA runners are on 0.9.11). There is plenty of documentation on IV manips based on date, so I'm not worried there.
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You are probably using a wrong ROM if anti-piracy is in effect. The best choice for TASing is Desmume 0.9.9 at this point. While Desmume 0.9.11 is probably more accurate overall, TASes made with 0.9.11 are hard to sync due to SRAM issues. I know the RTA runs end after the Ghetsis fight, but IMHO defeating the (supposedly) hardest boss that rolls credits is the better ending point when you don't need to do anything different before rolling credits for the first time, and that's how it works for Johto games.
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I'm on Desmume 0.9.9, and I don't want to deviate from it without a very good reason. I don't think the experience "bug" is because of emulator versions. Do we know what ROM that Masterjun run is on? It sounds like that experience thing is usually fixed with a code (memory editing), or patched ROM. Given this is a TAS recording, the patched ROM is probably the only option. Also, given this is a 3-hour run, let's start with ending at the Ghetsis fight. We can branch off a postgame "100%" run after.
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The patched ROM is working, but given the name is just "Pokemon Black Version.nds", I'm worried these might not be consistent, and we'll be fighting desyncs. I'll try to WIP to hitting lv 6 or something, just to make sure we're not wasting time.
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I'm sure the clean rom will work. Maybe the one you were using was a bad dump. Using a patched rom might actually make things worse in this case.