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*SNES Super Punch-Out by Phil
It's a really great movie, but you can KO Nick Bruiser (the last boxer) in less time, so I think that it needs to be improved before giving it a star...
Seriously, give that Sonic 2 run a star. That movie is absolutely amazing. The early levels are over so fast that you can barely see them. The "wow" factor on those levels is extremely high, and that's exactly what the star movies are supposed to be showcasing to newcomers. This is a perfect example of what can be done if you could play perfectly. I've never seen this game played remotely as well in real life, though I know people who can run through SMB1 virtually without stopping. Long story short, this is a frigging amazing movie. Besides which, "publish this movie and give it a star" was the first sentence in most of the early voting. The people know a good speedrun when they see one.
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Anyone against? I know you're not because I'm always right. :>
We need to pick one or the other. I prefer Sonic 2 to Sonic 3, since it shows the same amount of stuff in less time, aside from a few glitches. Also, Sonic 2 doesn't have a lot of waiting for scinematics...
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But the stars are (mostly) for showing the movies to newcomers, in which case shorter = better. (Harder to lose their interest.) I should probably watch the Sonic 2 movie before I actually throw my lot in with it, though.
Then why do we have so frickin' many Mario and Megaman and Metroid movies starred?
I wholeheartedly support having both.
-Josh
but then you take my 75 perchance chance of winning, if we was to go one-on-one, and then add 66 and two-thirds ch...percents...i got a 141 and two-thirds chance of winning at sacrifice
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We have one NES Metroid and one SNES Metroid star out of a possible 6. Although they are all great, we can really only pick one from each group, since the NES movies are essentially the same and the SNES movies are also essentially the same. We also only have 3 Megaman movies out of a possible 11 on the site. That's because 1 and 2 are differenct enough to show some really entertaining stuff without being more of the same thing, and X2 is totally a totally different kind of game. Therefore, it only seems fitting that we pick one Sonic movie, as their gameplay is too close together.
Also, I don't agree that all 3 SMB movies should be starred, but whatever. I think only 3 really deserves it, although 2 is also pretty entertaining, albeit a bit hard to follow.
I say one star each. I think most people would be interested in watching each of the Mario games beaten in insanely small amounts of time, showcasing glitches all the way, so why wouldn't people be interested in watching each of the Sonic games beaten at absolutely absurd speeds? Let's give our visitors a bit of credit and assume they'll be smart enough to look for the games they want to see, and to recognize two speedruns as good as those for the works of art that they are, and not consider them redundant. Both of those movies are amazing, though I do like the fact that Sonic 2 is shorter.
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After reviewing both the Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 movies again, I personally feel that Sonic 3 should deserve the star rather than Sonic 2. To reassess my personal argumentation:
Reasons for Sonic 3 to deserve the star:
- Run quality very high; the obsoleted version was amazingly impressive, and this one goes beyond the old.
- Uses an interesting glitch.
- Aesthetically pleasing game (id est more than Sonic 2).
- Stylistically pleasing run (SprintGod does a better job at entertaining us at times when he is unable to progress).
- Uses Sonic's special powerups very nicely.
Reasons for Sonic 2 to deserve the star:
- Run quality very high; Sonic's speed is at its top level in the first levels of this run.
- Finishes faster than SprintGod--run is therefore shorter in both length and filesize.
- Uses what appears to be a wall omission glitch in Oil Ocean zone 2.
However, some reasons why I doubt that Sonic 2 would be best off having a star:
- Tails is in this run, and he's completely useless. He even gets hit a couple of times even though this has no effect on the game. This isn't desirable. It's less "clean" than the Sonic 3 run.
- At times, it would have been better for Quietust to have waited a few time units before finishing the level in order to get a lower input time. This run isn't as optimized as Sonic 3 is, because Sonic 3 doesn't suffer from these situations.
- The sky scene is REALLY boring.
- Knuckles isn't present in this run.
Remember, this is just my personal opinion on the matter.
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- Tails is in this run, and he's completely useless. He even gets hit a couple of times even though this has no effect on the game. This isn't desirable. It's less "clean" than the Sonic 3 run.
- Knuckles isn't present in this run.
- Tails serves a purpose in two key parts of the movie. In Green Hills (I suck with names, spare me), he is used to break a block early and escape the lava undamaged, which is rare. In one of the Robotnik fights, Tails is used to end the fight much much faster.
-Knuckles isn't exactly 'present' in Sonic 3, either. Sure, he chews up a few minutes of the movie via slow scinematics and a boring boss fight, but that doesn't really count. I'm more upset at the lack of Tails in S3 (I know he's in the game, but barely) than I am with the lack of Knuckles in S2.
I still think Sonic 3 deserves the star over Sonic 2, but that doesn't mean it's not a close call.
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- Tails serves a purpose in two key parts of the movie. In Green Hills (I suck with names, spare me), he is used to break a block early and escape the lava undamaged, which is rare. In one of the Robotnik fights, Tails is used to end the fight much much faster.
Yeah, Quietust told me on IRC. I guess that does have good use, then, even though it still looks strange watching him take hits like that. All which should be fixed when he finishes version 2 using two controllers, however. :)
It's true that Tails not being in Sonic 3 that much is a shame, but I still think it's cool to see him pop in every now and then.
I think that Super Turrican by Zerstorung should deserves a star.
It's an excellent example in how time can be saved by taking damage and it uses weapons and tools creatively.
I'd rather give the star to Journey to Silius, because it's more charming in my opinion. But again in my opinion, neither of them are good enough :)
Ah yes, I now gave a star to Sonic 2, in addition to Sonic 3.
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Assuming that all the runs are done in equal quality, the star ought to go to Aria of Sorrow. It's the most visually pleasing game, and it's also (so far as I know) the only run that's being done entirely on a lagless version of VBA. Not to mention the amount of luck manipulation you're doing with it. (Although the whole Giant Bone thing from CotM was entirely luck manipulation, that's not evident to people who haven't played the game. Whereas you're forcing good drops from some things and not others.)
In any case: Why are all three SMB movies starred? I think either 2 or 3 should have it, and neither of the other two.
At times, it would have been better for Quietust to have waited a few time units before finishing the level in order to get a lower input time. This run isn't as optimized as Sonic 3 is, because Sonic 3 doesn't suffer from these situations.
I think Sonic 3 has these situations as well. Both movies do not aim for real time, but in-game time in each level, because it makes for a more skillful display. Personally I also think the SMB movies shouldn't have cared about the fireworks, but that's just me...
-Josh
but then you take my 75 perchance chance of winning, if we was to go one-on-one, and then add 66 and two-thirds ch...percents...i got a 141 and two-thirds chance of winning at sacrifice
I think the real debates will begin once we have all 3 of the GBA Castlevanias done, but that is dependent on when I finish Aria of Sorrow.
That reminds me: Someone needs to pick up Harmony of Dissonance again! Maybe I will try to plan a route once I learn what all the good glitches are, although I probably won't make the movie.
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Talk to hornqvist and OgreSlayeR, unless GSGold stops being a little baby and gets back into trying to timeattack.
You hear that? GSGold is a big baby. Wait, I just referred to him as a little baby...
OK, here we go: GSGold is a medium sized baby that can appear to be either large or small depending on his mood.
Back to the star nominees; will there be a specific amount of stars out there at a time? I mean, as we expand our library, you would think that we would have more starred movies. Maybe it should be a certain % of the total movies must be starred?
will there be a specific amount of stars out there at a time? I mean, as we expand our library, you would think that we would have more starred movies. Maybe it should be a certain % of the total movies must be starred?
I'd hope to keep the amount ~constant, because the list is supposed to be attractive to newbies, not intimidating. ("Too many items, I can't choose!")
In other words, best only.
When the amount of good movies increases, the sieve must be densed.
Well, I was told to come here to see why Bionic Commando lost its star, but I'm not finding it. Can someone fill me in?
Guess I didn't name that game then.
It lost its star because I gave the star to Umihara Kawase.
Read the rest of my posts in thread to understand why I didn't just add the star to Umihara...
GSGold stops being a little baby and gets back into trying to timeattack.
I'm lazy, and Paperboy's stupid anyway.
Just watch, eventually I'll end up doing something amazing or not, it might just be mediocre. which will shock everyone.
Ok, well I'm guessing that the reason Bionic Commando lost its star to Umihara Kawase is because you don't want two similar games having a star. Is this correct?
I personally think the UK video is booooooring. It's less than two minutes, the graphics are dark and do not vary, and it's not that impressive looking (whether or not the techniques are difficult to perform). Not to mention this game is "little-known" and has a "small but rabid fan following".
BC on the other hand has colorful graphics with lots of different settings, great music, and is much more impressive looking, with techniques using the speed of re-grappling. Lots of people (who are on the internet looking for tool-assisted game runs) have played or at least seen Bionic Commando. Plus the video is a good length. Not so short that you blink and miss it, but not so long that someone new to this kind of thing would be bored with it.
On my first visit to this page about six months ago or so, I checked out the best movies, and BC was the one that really got me hooked here. That being the objective of these movies, I thought I'd give my concern over its removal of star status.
Hopefully this is posted in the right forum; I'm sure I'll catch hell if it's not :-P
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I agree wholeheartedly with jxq2000. If the stars are meant as guidance for newbies, Umihara Kawase really shouldn't have one. It really isn't that impressive for people who haven't played the game (and there are not that many people who have). Bionic Commando on the other hand is much more easy to understand and get a grasp of, even if one hasn't played the game.
After watching both movies, none of which I have played, I liked more the rythm on Hitler no Fukkatsu. However, using that name instead of Bionic Commando almost made me pass the video. I don't remember if the title (not the comments) told it was the Japanese Version of Bionic Commando, but if it didn't, it should.
It's not that Umihara no kawa se doesn't deserve it, though. It's just that I feel is harder to understand. I suggest including on the starred movies the following text: "If you enjoyed this movie, see also X and Y movies".
