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This is an automatically posted message for discussing submission: #650: Saturn's SNES F-Zero in 02:22

See details at: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/650S.html

Submission status: published
Last edited by: Bisqwit

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The submission message follows:

Recorded on Snes9x Improved v6

Settings that are enabled:
WIP1 timing
Fake Mute desync workaround
Sync samples with sound CPU

• no warps or passwords used
• no programming errors or glitches used
• aims for fastest possible time

F-Zero is a Racing game of the future, with machines that reach more than 470 km/h top-speed

This movie shows a World Record timeattack of Mute City 1. It costed me extremely much time and nerves to test many different driving lines and find the fastest one.

The lap times are:

1. 25"41 (starting from 0 km/h without booster)
2. 23"19 (to reach this time I had to sacrifice some speed)
3. 23"21 (the result of the speed-disadvantage but got a very good speed for the 4th lap)
4. 23"17 (this time was only possible because of the very good speed-advantage of 3rd lap, caused speed-disadvantage for 5th lap though)
5. 23"19 (the most optimized lap even with speed-disadvantage)

Total Time: 1'58"17

World Record Times of Mute City 1 (skill based):

Total: 1'58"41 (0"24 sec slower than this time)

Fastest Starting Lap: 25"42 (0"01 sec slower)

1-Boost Lap: 23"22 (0"05 sec slower)

Did a nice hard-turn at the end without changing the final time

For those who want to continue the World-Record breaking are welcome to use this movie further so hopefully we can once get a full movie with World Records for all courses.

Enjoy!

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Bisqwit: Accepting as a concept demo.

[xou]

Dunno what to really think about that movie. I know it was a huge work, but it isn't that impressive when you watch it :)
Anyway, I vote yes, because of the work made, and the beaten WR !

[Megafrost]

The real shock value comes from comparing the video to your own records and saying, "Holy shit, it beats me by 10 whole seconds?" But some of the harder tracks would probably be really impressive to watch.

[imel007]

I think the rival car behind you beat the world record too... even though the top speed of that car means it wouldn't have been able to have been that close. Stupid f-zero AI.

[Tuggummi]

Whoa! Surprising driving lines you took there, especially the last turn where you drove over the sand area without a boost? Is it really that much faster? Never would've thought of it myself! I guess the speed meter is just for show and the actual speed doesn't drop that much, or at all? And also the shocking doesn't slow you down? I thought about it too, but i was staring at the speed meter again :|

Excellent job here! Sure people who haven't played the game (or tried to timeattack it ;)) might not be so "excited" about it as it might look dull and easy (probably because of the empty track in practice mode), but it's still a very fast paced game which requires a lot of skill.

Yes definetly from me :)

[Highness]

This is for me an obvious YES vote. :)
Very nicley done and I know how much work you've put down in this video.

[Cazlab]

Just amazing, but when will the full run be published, if someone is working on it yet?
Love the music in the Big Blue level :>

[Saturn]

Tuggummi wrote:

[quietkane]

Meh vote. It's well-done, but it's just not that entertaining to watch. The path is mostly straight lines, and there's really nothing to break the "monotony."

Also, I really don't think it was worth the amount of work it must've taken to beat the world record by half a second. But that's just me.

[hopper]

I can appreciate how much work went into this. I used to spend hours in front of my SNES perfecting my runs of Mute City I, using exactly that technique against the Golden Fox, and getting unbelievable times in Death Wind. My friends and I tried to set unbreakable records in this game. It's impressive as a Practice, but as a movie...

Cazlab wrote:

[Saturn]

hopper: Maybe I will do a Grand Prix in some years, but now I have other projects to complete (Secret of Evermore).

There are 2 reasons why I used the pratise mode: Main reason because I get a much better start of the golden fox instead of the other machines (can't reach a double bump on the golden fox in Grand Prix mode in any case) so I lose many acceleration here. 2nd because the other machines would embarrass the perfect driving line of me so to pass them would cost me some milliseconds later.

In any case, I can't reach the time of 1'58"41 in grand prix mode but as I said before: my goal was to make a new World Record because I was fascinated to see this time, so I had to choose practise. And for continueing the record breaking (which is only possible in practise mode) people can use this movie further since grand prix is impossible for new records.

[imel007]

I thought it was entertaining, because of the amount of perfection in the run. I never knew turns could be made like that. I voted yes because there has yet to be a time attack of any of the popular mode-7 effect racers on the snes, mainly f-zero or mario kart, because of the level of difficulty to make these types of movies. Not to mention any world record run of these games.

My only gripe is, with this movie, a more entertaining stage with turns and crazy shortcut jumps would be more suited for time attack. This is one aspect the Top Gear movie uses, a hard track. I also agree, a grand prix may not be a world record, but it would be a world record for the grand prix, and more exciting.

Another concern would be that multiple world record movies could just pile up, and if bunched into one movie it would be a movie with many authors. That would be kinda confusing I guess.

[xou]

wtf, I attempted timeattack on this game :]

[Fabianx]

I voted Meh as there is just Skill in this movie, but no real entertainment.

It _is_ impressive, but Timeattacks also need to be entertaining in my eyes. Hope to see an update of your SoE run soon.

cu

Fabian

[Sastopher]

It's awesome and I'm glad you made it, but I have to go with the others who say it's not all that interesting.

When I watch these movies, I want to see crazy shortcuts, mind-bending bug abuse, and frame-perfect gameplay. Your movie does the third one as well as possible, but seeing as how it lacks the first two it doesn't really inspire me.

Part of my vote may be because I was never really into the game. I played it as a kid, but I never tried for fastest times or anything.

[DonamerDragon]

I don't know...the speed boosts last much longer if you don't sacrifice then going over sand. You did wonderful on the first lap, I loved it! but then it started to get sloppy...i think it could have been faster if you avoided bumping into walls at all, and avoided sand area to increase the distance you get on speed boosts. isn't there more then one level? I vote no...i just don't think it's very entertaining as it is right now.

[Saturn]

DonamerDragon wrote:

[Bisqwit]

In my opinion, it doesn't make a very interesting movie. The plain number (race time) might be interesting for F-Zero experts, but the movie is boring to watch. Nothing unexpected happens.
Compare to Excitebike. It has the same goal ― complete the race as fast as possible ― but it is interesting to watch and does unexpected maneuvers.

My vote for this movie is "no".

[adelikat]

I'm going to have to agree with bisqwit. I thought that since it was so short it wouldn't be that boring , but I was wrong. The problem is that it is just one long repeitive race and then it is over, nothing interesting happened.

[Sir VG]

Unexpected? Rewatch lap 1 again people. I found out his trick maneuvering around the tiny gap between the sand and the wall that doesn't sacrifice speed unexpected.