Post subject: Rank system overhaul and player curriculum vitae
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A long missing feature has been added to the main site: binding user accounts into the player entries. This enables all kinds of new features that have been missing. For example, check your profile page now. (Use a "view profile" link, not a "edit profile" one.) Check profiles of other people. Players, etc. Example: http://tasvideos.org/forum/r/Bisqwit There's some new statistics there, regarding quite much everything related to the main site. The next step I'm planning on is to abolish the Player rank (and variations thereof), and replace it with some concise analysis of the statistics displayed on the profile page. It may be graphical or textual. However, it is an open question, that how that should be done. Ideas are welcome. Yes, this is partially motivated by this thread, but partially by other feedback received earlier.
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Woot! Finally, good job. :)
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I love the new stats presentation, it's awesome to be able to see who exactly has done what. And I"m also excited about the new ranking system, even though I can't offer too many suggestions, other than I do think the distinction should still be made between forum members and published runners, and that there needs to be a tiered ranking for authors. Once again, I love the steps this site is taking and I'm glad discussion hasn't fallen on deaf ears.
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Loved it.
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I was actually thinking about something along these lines the other day. I would suggest that, since forum user accounts are linked to site user accounts, it is possible to make it so that a user cannot vote upon his or her own submission. This would save some people a bit of inconvenience if they wish to be able to view the poll results without influencing them unduly.
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This is pretty neat.
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Looks good, Bisqwit. Stats are always interesting. Always.
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Looks great. :) Just an idea, would it be possible to implement a table with all the game genres you have TASed? I mean, every run that's published belongs to a certain genre (like puzzle, RPG, etc), so I don't see how this can be too hard. What do you think?
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Randil wrote:
Just an idea, would it be possible to implement a table with all the game genres you have TASed?
I understand why such a thing would be desirable but genre definitions can be highly subjective.
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True, but my point is pretty much that each published movie has a genre, you know the one in the box in the upper right corner. I was thinking that it should be the genre in this box that should be used for each movie. So, for example, a player has 4 movies published. One of them has "Genre: RPG", two of them "Genre: Puzzle" and one "Genre: Platformer". The table would look something like: Puzzle games: 2 Platformers: 1 RPG's: 1
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Randil wrote:
True, but my point is pretty much that each published movie has a genre, you know the one in the box in the upper right corner.
... I completely forgot about that.
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Added movie length and rerecord density statistics. Edit: And genres.
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upthorn wrote:
This would save some people a bit of inconvenience if they wish to be able to view the poll results without influencing them unduly.
"View results" link below the poll? Anyway, that wouldn't be such a bad idea at all, if it's seen desirable that the author shouldn't vote on his own submission.
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I always vote on my own submissions (All two of them! Yay!*) just to stop having to hit "View results" on every page. Besides, I only use the vote count to get the basics. The posts are more important (hence, I read them). I'm sure others do the same. Usually one vote in any direction won't matter a whole lot, especially when you weigh in the posts. Yes, I'm aware I have 4 submissions. But only two are anything near recent.
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The player <-> user binding only applies to published movies. For submissions that are still only submissions, a restriction could be placed that the submitter cannot vote on their own submission ― however, in the case of team submissions, this would only block the submitter, not their team members. Which wouldn't be very fair.
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Very nice :) Just a few suggestions: I would change the order of the statistics, first "Publishes Movies", then "Submissions", then "How this user rates movies". The first number you see now is the number of accepted submissions, but this doesn't really tell that much. I think the "published Movies" section is the most important, so I'd put it first. Why was "gruefood" changed to "failed"? I also think the first 3 lines of the "published movies" section should be reversed. First amount of nonobsoleted movies, then the amount of obsoleted movies, then the number of 'teams'. Finally, I think the average entertainment rating is somehow weird. If you make a perfectly good run of a game that isn't very popular, your average entertainment rating goes down. This discourages from improving movies with a low rating somehow.
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Baxter wrote:
Finally, I think the average entertainment rating is somehow weird. If you make a perfectly good run of a game that isn't very popular, your average entertainment rating goes down. This discourages from improving movies with a low rating somehow.
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Baxter wrote:
Why was "gruefood" changed to "failed"?
That was my fault, sorry. (I used "Failed" instead of "Gruefood" in a copypaste into IRC. Shrug.)
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Ah, and about the ranks... I don't know if you planned something like displaying amount of nonobsoleted movies or something, but if you plan on making separate ranks (like "player", "experienced player", "whatever") as suggested in the recently created ranks topic, I would suggest the same as I did back then:
Baxter wrote:
Take the rating of one of your movies to the power of X, then add all those numbers for all your movies. N is your total amount of movies. X should be determined on how important high ratings are considered, but all movies count to a certain extent. Call the outcome Z. If Z = 0 --> member (what member depends on number of posts) If Z > 0 --> player If Z > A --> [insert name] If Z > B --> [insert name]
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How about ranks for other types of activities as well? Also, what should those names of ranks be?
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If submissions and posts are 0: Lurker If submissions are 0 and posts are high: Vested If submissions are 0 and posts are very high: Talks too fucking much If posts are really, really high: Bag of Too Much Talking If all submissions are rejected: Doesn't quite get it yet If most submissions are rejected: Not quite there If some submissions are rejected: Kinda like a quarter If all submissions are published: Probably runs Megaman games If published movies are rated poorly: More boring than Front Line If published movies are rated average: The usual If published movies are rated highly: Everybody loves me! If published movies are the highest: Probably runs Mario games If a published movie has a star: Good for snacking If multple movies have a star: Great part of a balanced newbie diet If movies are genreally short: Abuses the magnet beam If movies are generally long: Needs a faster red bike If ratings given are genreally low: Hard to please If ratings given are generally average: Average Joe If ratings given are generally high: Eats at Joe's GIANT SARCASM WARNING GOES HERE
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I think this is an excellent addition to the site. Everyone has an easy-to-view portfolio. I still think a user rank is unnecessary, but I know I am in the minority. Nonetheless, I have an idea for it. To base the ranks on combinations of several qualities would quickly lead to a lot of classifications, which could be overwhelming. However, basing the rank on more than one thing is a good idea, as there are many ways to contribute to this site. My idea is to model the ranks after that personality test I don't remember the name of, with Introvert/Extrovert, Thinking/Feeling, etc., with each category representing a different way of contribution. As an example, ways of contributing to the site could include: 1) watching and rating movies 2) posting 3) editing site wiki pages (not homepages?) 4) submitting movies (or movies published?) Each could be given two values that would represent smaller and larger contribution in that category. (Perhaps a third value would be appropriate for zero contribution from that category.)
               Watch/Rate    PostCount/Ratio    Editing/Creating    MoviePub/Sub
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Zero/Low        Watching          Quiet             Reading            Member
Below average    Rating          Talking            Editing            Player
Above average   Reviewing       Talkative           Writing            Robot
I'm still using player/robot because I can't think of something better at the moment - just trying to illustrate the concept. So someone who has submitted a couple runs, rated a relatively small amount of movies, who posts a lot, and isn't an editor, would be a Rating Talkative Reading Player. (Wow that sounds kind of silly, I think I needed to pick better words...) Upsides:
  • This is less like a "rank" to me, and more like a classification.
  • Recognizes many people for their contributions, yet doesn't divide people into more classifications than necessary.
Downsides:
  • Still, a lot of different classifications.
  • The ranks will be long, unless abbreviated like the personality test.
  • Isn't intuitive - especially if abbreviated. It could probably use its own explanation page.
The categories, classifications, order, and numbers of anything here are just examples of the overall idea. Just kicking the ball around...feel free to comment on any aspect of it.
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Why not just list the submissions and published movies of the player? For example Submissions: 5 Published: 5 Neutral, short, informative. Right?