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Posted: 6/23/2007 12:28 AM
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Post subject: Mupen64 ReRecording V2
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okaygo
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old data removed. Mupen64 ReRecording V2 beta: http://okaycreations.com/mupen_bulletproof/mupen64-rerecording-v2.exe Just put it inside of your folder. To reset while recording hit control + r, this will play older movies, as well as newer movies... when recording to AVI you will get this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYXXkv74s2k clean, huh? post comments/bugs/feedback -okaygo
Posted: 6/23/2007 12:48 AM
Post subject: Re: Mupen64 ReRecording V2
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laughing_gas
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okaygo wrote:
I will be rewriting a NEW Mupen64 binary, featuring a (what I think) is a better implementation of recording.
You mean fixing the frequent desynchs?
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Posted: 6/23/2007 12:54 AM
Post subject: Re: Mupen64 ReRecording V2
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okaygo
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laughing_gas wrote:
okaygo wrote:
I will be rewriting a NEW Mupen64 binary, featuring a (what I think) is a better implementation of recording.
You mean fixing the frequent desynchs?
I will do my best on that, but I need a clear theory/fact on desynchs. However, I will most likely implement a few of the desired features that aren't already in the code. Also *possibly* optimize the code.
Posted: 6/23/2007 3:16 AM
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okaygo
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After looking at the already provided code, I feel that MOST desynching issues are based on plugin settings. However I will continue to search for answers, and implement rewinding features.
Posted: 6/23/2007 4:56 AM
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OmnipotentEntity
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okaygo wrote:
After looking at the already provided code, I feel that MOST desynching issues are based on plugin settings. However I will continue to search for answers, and implement rewinding features.
I think most desynching issues are the plugins not being stateful and deterministic. Because they should be independant of the emulation core and therefore completely interchangable.
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Posted: 6/23/2007 5:11 AM
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okaygo
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Then a standard set of plugins should be written in a hierarchical order, allowing a plugin to be switched out according to compatibility with a game.
Posted: 6/23/2007 5:20 AM
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okaygo wrote:
Then a standard set of plugins should be written in a hierarchical order, allowing a plugin to be switched out according to compatibility with a game.
Thing is, if the plugins were responsible for none of the emulation (just the display of polygons, or the input), then there should be no reason why one would be more compatible with certain games than another. They all should work assuming that the core emulates them correctly.
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Posted: 6/23/2007 5:22 AM
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okaygo
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No, disagreed... they will work assuming that they are completed. My take on plugins: Video (greatest issue) Input (should pose no issue if following zilmar's spec) RSP (would be number one if the variety was greater) Sound (no issue)
Posted: 6/23/2007 8:45 AM
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Feel free to make it compatible with Vista. When I recently installed it (Vista), I could not make Mupen to work properly when I tried watching a run. It was some Mario N64 run and right at the beginning of the intro, the Princess head was not there, the background was completely black so I deleted Mupen instantly.
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I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Posted: 6/23/2007 11:07 AM
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AngerFist wrote:
Feel free to make it compatible with Vista. When I recently installed it (Vista), I could not make Mupen to work properly when I tried watching a run. It was some Mario N64 run and right at the beginning of the intro, the Princess head was not there, the background was completely black so I deleted Mupen instantly.
Are you using an Nvidia graphics card by chance? :) Even if you're not, that definately sounds like you need a graphics driver update. Nvidia's drivers were particularly buggy when Vista first came out. In contrast, I get no graphical glitches when watching a movie on mupen with Vista, wheras I did on XP. weird huh?
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Posted: 6/23/2007 2:25 PM
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Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Posted: 6/23/2007 3:07 PM
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okaygo
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I would suggest to list the plugins being used, also I would request this not be a personal help thread.
Posted: 6/23/2007 4:52 PM
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Any chance record reset could be implemented?
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Posted: 6/23/2007 4:56 PM
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okaygo
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Soulrivers wrote:
Any chance record reset could be implemented?
Explain?
Posted: 6/23/2007 4:58 PM
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Soulrivers
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okaygo wrote:
Soulrivers wrote:
Any chance record reset could be implemented?
Explain?
To be able to reset the game while recording a movie. It isn't possible at the moment. And by reset I mean bringing up the mupen menu and clicking reset, and still catching it on the movie.
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Posted: 6/23/2007 5:15 PM
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Example: in Ocarina of Time if you save at a certain place and reset the game, you warp to a different place. This is called save-warping, and it is a nifty timesaver. However we can't use it now because the current Mupen cuts off the movie (?) after a reset, so that's why reset recording is so desired.
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Posted: 6/23/2007 5:15 PM
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okaygo
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Without looking at the code.. I am assuming soft resets are already available to do, just not in recording?
Posted: 6/23/2007 5:24 PM
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okaygo
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laughing_gas wrote:
Example: in Ocarina of Time if you save at a certain place and reset the game, you warp to a different place. This is called save-warping, and it is a nifty timesaver. However we can't use it now because the current Mupen cuts off the movie (?) after a reset, so that's why reset recording is so desired.
I am thinking in order to keep consistent with the structure, I will make all the values set to on. Which I'm pretty sure is never used in a game... who puts the analog stick to max X, and max Y, presses all the buttons (a,b,start), all the triggers (l,r,z), the two unused values (un1,un2), all four c buttons (l,r,u,d), and the digital directions (u,d,l,r) all at the same time? This sequence I will make trigger a reset...
Posted: 6/23/2007 5:39 PM
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Bob_A
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in that case, why not just use one of the two unused values?
Posted: 6/23/2007 5:41 PM
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okaygo
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Either way works, heres how the controller works: 
typedef union {
	DWORD Value;
	struct {
		unsigned R_DPAD       : 1;
		unsigned L_DPAD       : 1;
		unsigned D_DPAD       : 1;
		unsigned U_DPAD       : 1;
		unsigned START_BUTTON : 1;
		unsigned Z_TRIG       : 1;
		unsigned B_BUTTON     : 1;
		unsigned A_BUTTON     : 1;

		unsigned R_CBUTTON    : 1;
		unsigned L_CBUTTON    : 1;
		unsigned D_CBUTTON    : 1;
		unsigned U_CBUTTON    : 1;
		unsigned R_TRIG       : 1;
		unsigned L_TRIG       : 1;
		unsigned Reserved1    : 1;
		unsigned Reserved2    : 1;

		signed   Y_AXIS       : 8;

		signed   X_AXIS       : 8;
	};
} BUTTONS;
Posted: 6/23/2007 6:19 PM
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okaygo
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<okaygo> When I ran Nightmare creatures at 100% <okaygo> I synched <okaygo> while I ran it at 1000% <okaygo> I desynched <okaygo> My cpu wasnt hitting the target frame rate, or maybe the game has a internal limitation.. and while that was limited, i was reading my input data at the same rate <okaygo> Which explains how some games desynch from the start <Raiscan> Is that why I'm one of the few people that can sync Majora's Mask? because my PC is better? <okaygo> Possibly <okaygo> Also, a factor is plugins <okaygo> Video plugins handle how video is updated <okaygo> but they are consistent <okaygo> Do some testing Raiscan <okaygo> Try to put your speed limit <okaygo> for the game <okaygo> at about <okaygo> 30% <okaygo> and see if it syncs <okaygo> nightmare creatures <Raiscan> for the Nightmare Syncers? <Raiscan> okay, if I disappear I've crashed my PC <okaygo> Yes playing your video at about 50% synched me <okaygo> While 1000% got me into the zombie battles <Raiscan> I still don't get why the game takes input so much <okaygo> Why don't you call the creators? <Raiscan> :D <okaygo> It's possibly that they wanted to take shortcuts, or be 'precise'. <okaygo> But did it sync? <Raiscan> yeah my movie syncs at 30% <NesVideoAgent> New reply by Sir VG (GBA: Kirby And The Amazing Mirror): http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/134598 <okaygo> Exactly... <Raiscan> I think you're onto something :) <okaygo> So can I call this myth busted/plausible/confirmed? <Soulrivers> WHAT AN AMAZING DISCOVERY <Raiscan> plausible <Soulrivers> seriously I'm not sure what you're talking about :) <okaygo> :o <Raiscan> you have a valid idea, just need a fixed implemented and let it loose to the hungry n64 TASers <okaygo> Well! Input per frames, seems almost logical <okaygo> But more testing <okaygo> more theories are needed
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Posted: 6/23/2007 7:25 PM
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Yay! So now we just need to buy everyone on tasvideos quad core PCs. Would it be possible to figure out at what %age speed your movie will desync at at a certain interval of time? If so, then can you "throttle" the max speed to be the maximum required speed for the game to sync? Sounds like a good temporary solution.
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Posted: 6/23/2007 7:50 PM
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laughing_gas
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Wait, this pertains to movie playback, and not recording, right? An option to throttle playback speed sounds fine to me.
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Posted: 6/23/2007 7:52 PM
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okaygo
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The speed is all based on the computer... the real issues is that the playback reads pif data as it comes... versus pif data for a specific frame.
Posted: 6/23/2007 8:09 PM
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So would you be able to make it act on frame specific instead of as it comes ?
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