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Posted: 8/12/2004 6:39 PM
Post subject: Monopoly!
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Itstoearly
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Everyone's favorite board game! But, would a time attack even be worth it? I may be interesting to see who can manipulate the most luck, heh. I will attempt a time attack, if people think it will be interesting.
Posted: 8/12/2004 7:23 PM
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Itstoearly
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And I have already hit a snag.... the only rom that will even start on Famtasia is the japonese version; all the other ones get bad opcode errors. However, the japonese version gets a bad opcode error when you try to build houses. So unless someone knows how to get around this problem, this project is defunct already.
Posted: 8/12/2004 7:29 PM
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NrgSpoon
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I suggest you try a Genesis or SNES version then.
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:29 PM
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Blublu
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Well, you could use a non-sucky emulator called FCEU. There's a patched version with rerecording floating around somewhere. But it isn't supported on this site as far as I know (why not, though?) so you couldn't submit it.
Posted: 8/12/2004 7:44 PM
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Bob_Whoops
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Is there a version for SNES? I would suggest that if it exists.
Posted: 8/12/2004 7:52 PM
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Boco
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Why Monopoly? Why not Rockboard?
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Posted: 8/12/2004 7:57 PM
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Phil
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The Snes version is better than the Genesis one.
Posted: 8/12/2004 10:52 PM
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Itstoearly
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The reason I like the NES version of monopoly is because it has faster gameplay then the SNES and Genesis versions. Those you can't seem to skip through the animations, and the gameplay therefor seems much slower.
Posted: 8/12/2004 10:53 PM
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Phil
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Itstoearly wrote:
The reason I like the NES version of monopoly is because it has faster gameplay then the SNES and Genesis versions. Those you can't seem to skip through the animations, and the gameplay therefor seems much slower.
You can disable animation and change the game speed on Snes one.
Posted: 8/13/2004 12:20 AM
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Itstoearly
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I see... well then, I request that this thread be locked, and I will start a new one in the SNES board. Thanks!
Posted: 8/13/2004 12:25 AM
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Phil
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Itstoearly wrote:
I see... well then, I request that this thread be locked, and I will start a new one in the SNES board. Thanks!
No need to lock that thread.
Posted: 4/1/2006 5:55 PM
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Swedishmartin
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This was the only NES Monopoly topic I could find. Anyway, could someone make a run where you luck manipulate the opponent to accept unreasonable deals? I'd like to see a movie where AI is luck manipulated to get a fortune while P1 is near bankruptcy all the time. Then when the AI player gets almost all spaces on the board, it accepts an all belongings -- P1's belongings (or less!) trade.
Posted: 4/1/2006 6:03 PM
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You can't luck manipulate the comp just to hand everything over. He will however give up all of his belongings to a full set of streets. A movie of this was made by Hero of the Day, you can download it here. It was unfortunately not the fastest strategy.
http://tasvideos.org/Baxter.html
Posted: 4/1/2006 6:40 PM
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Rick
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Or, if you got oodles of cash to throw away, you can just buy them out. Although it can take a good lot of money to do so. But the computer can be bought out for a fair price. =P
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Posted: 4/1/2006 7:02 PM
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Swedishmartin
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Goddammit.... It would've been neat though.
Posted: 4/2/2006 8:21 AM
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We discussed another strategy a couple weeks ago: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3500&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=32 Rather than trying to manipulate the CPU to accept an unreasonable deal, this strategy offers an unreasonable deal. Once the CPU has its hands on the monopoly, it can be manipulated to self-destruct.
Posted: 4/2/2006 8:55 AM
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Swedishmartin
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FractalFusion wrote:
We discussed another strategy a couple weeks ago: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3500&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=32 Rather than trying to manipulate the CPU to accept an unreasonable deal, this strategy offers an unreasonable deal. Once the CPU has its hands on the monopoly, it can be manipulated to self-destruct.
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Posted: 4/2/2006 9:03 AM
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We weren't able to make any movie, or else we would have submitted it.
Posted: 4/2/2006 9:12 AM
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Oh, okay. :) I didn't realize that the movie wasn't utilizing those tactics.
Posted: 4/2/2006 6:19 PM
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hero_of_the_day
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here is monopoly beaten in 28 seconds, which is 2 seconds faster than the current best movie on the workbench. It uses a trade strategy, and for that reason it doesn't look nearly as cool or impressive. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/942/Monopoly%20%28U%29.fcm
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Posted: 4/2/2006 8:13 PM
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i liked it.
http://tasvideos.org/Vatchern.html
Posted: 4/2/2006 8:58 PM
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Gigafrost
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Interesting. Could be problematic, though. It's 2 seconds less input, but clearly the end of the game comes later than in the current workbench movie. Does that really mean this should be considered faster? Hmmm...
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Posted: 4/3/2006 1:18 PM
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Swedishmartin
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Gigafrost wrote:
Interesting. Could be problematic, though. It's 2 seconds less input, but clearly the end of the game comes later than in the current workbench movie. Does that really mean this should be considered faster? Hmmm...
Yeah, I'd rather see someone luck manipulate to skip input. Sort of an autopilot. In fact, I'd like to see someone complete a game with as little input as possible, without any speedrunning. Just minimizing the input needed to win.
Posted: 4/3/2006 4:19 PM
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>It's 2 seconds less input, but clearly the end of the game comes later than in the current workbench movie. Does that really mean this should be considered faster? I haven't watched this movie (yet), but I'm of the opinion that 1) shorter input length should only be used when it doesn't slow down completion of the game, and that 2) actual time of completion is more important than when input stops. Stopping the movie way before the game completes looks cool, but it is not what a movie should be judged after. We had this discussion about SMB1 also. Shorter time to completion won out in the end.
Posted: 4/3/2006 5:10 PM
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I think that shortest input should be done if it acts as a surprise factor. The current submission (as with the last 6 movies obsoleted) ends input 18 seconds early. Wonder what the game does during those 18 seconds? If the 25-second strategy I posted works, the amount of time between input end and game completion would be about 3 times longer (75 seconds) than the input movie itself. Of course, in games like Mario 1 or Mega Man 5, ending movie on shortest input would look both bad and pointless. But this is Monopoly. So it really depends on which strategy is used.
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