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Zowayix wrote:
Super Mario World has multiple arbitrary code triggers as well but all except 1 require superhuman timing to pull off and are unlikely to be discovered without tool-assistance.
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Samsara wrote:
Allow me to be blunt: No one's going to submit your awful, low quality, unfunny joke run for you. You yourself lost the privilege to submit your runs to the site, and now you have to earn that privilege back by showing that you can actually make a quality run.
The description makes it sound like it isn't a joke TAS, actually. Not sure what it is
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andypanther wrote:
I voted for combining everything, but I would call the platform "computer" instead of PC.
Hmm...
PC at least has the x86 Wintel thing going for it, but afaik all definitions of computer (sans a person who computes) includes every platform in general. You don't generally call a game console a computer, sure, but that's just because you're being more specific.
Also, you'd have the C64, Amiga, and MSX to deal with, even if excluding consoles
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cwizkim wrote:
(1) actions are usually not wasted because there is something else to be done that will increase points, (2) TAS execution doesn't look like how a human player with the same strategy and goal would play, (3) big movements are favored over small ones. TAS precision for grazing bullets all day long just wouldn't look all that interesting, in my opinion. The more targets to kill, and with higher precision (bonus if with hard-to-control weapons) for higher score, the better.
So basically Star Fox 64?
We really need a run of that game, don't we
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ais523 wrote:
I guess mostly due to the probability that things go wrong (which they often do in console verification). Isn't that the reason why people watch marathons rather than just going to WR archives? The chance that the run might not be perfect?
That makes sense. Imho that isn't what TASing is about, as the general approach to making a mistake is loading a savestate rather than living with it and continuing the run, but I can see the appeal of the chance of something going wrong too.
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ais523 wrote:
having a TAS that isn't being played live on console at a GDQ is like playing back a recording of a (non-TAS) world record at a GDQ. It misses the point of a live event to show something that anyone could see for themselves just by visiting YouTube.
How come? It's still the same movie, console verified or not, so what's the difference?
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feos wrote:
Anty-Lemon wrote:
Since when was a platform exclusively defined by differences in hardware?
At TASVideos, was it not?
Uhm?
Anty-Lemon wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a Windows computer can also have a DOS partition installed. Then again, that could simply be a weakness of the Windows/DOS split
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Warp wrote:
By the same logic we should consider "Super Metroid" its own platform, "Super Mario Bros" its own platform, etc.
Individual games as platforms is not at all by the same logic, rather by game engine (not only Doom games run on the Doom engine), but I see your point.
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I don't see how that's relevant to classify it as its own "platform". Doom is not a piece of hardware.
By that logic each emulator should be considered its own "platform" instead of the hardware it's emulating. Which would make no sense.
Since when was a platform exclusively defined by differences in hardware? Correct me if I'm wrong, but a Windows computer can also have a DOS partition installed. Then again, that could simply be a weakness of the Windows/DOS split
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Warp wrote:
I think people are getting too hung up with the underlying details, not seeing the forest from the trees.
I think everybody understand perfectly if, let's say, the terms "PC game", "Xbox One game" and "PS4 game" are used, regardless of how similar the underlying hardware design might be between those devices or, conversely, how radically different two PC's might internally be (but which nevertheless is able to run PC games).
What, so people wouldn't understand "Doom game?" They're all perfectly valid options; that's why the details matter
Warp wrote:
When the distinction was between DOS and Windows, then it might have made sense. But if we start adding game-specific TAS files as their own platform each, then the whole things starts being nonsensical. They are all running on the same hardware, and that should be distinction enough.
Afaik, in this case it's because Doom works as a platform. The demo files store input only, and there are enough games using the doom engine to give it a fair number of runs. If I'm interpreting this correctly, if a game's input file doesn't meet these, it would either be categorized as its OS or not accepted at all.
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Warp wrote:
What ambiguity? The PC hardware is pretty de-facto standardized. (It's a combination of x86-compatible processor with a certain memory and I/O layout, which allows certain specific OS's and programs to run on it.)
I'm aware, but afaik it has multiple definitions. It can mean anything from "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" to including all video game consoles. The Amiga doesn't help matters
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NrgSpoon wrote:
Being different emulators shouldn't change the category anyway. It's not like we have all the various SNES emulators in separate categories.
This is different because prboom is a source port, not an emulator
adelikat wrote:
I Just wanted to point out that only one of them, JPC-rr is actually an emulator. prboom and hourglass don't emulate anything, they log input. And even then, it doesn't emulate DOS, it emulates an x86 CPU, and only well enough that just a few versions of DOS actually run on it.
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yep2yel wrote:
I feel it shouldn't be rejected simply because the SRAM doesn't provide additional gameplay, but what could be done is have 2 categories: SRAM, and no SRAM. I've never seen this done, and the no SRAM probably runs into the 10+ hour range, so I'll leave all of that up to the judges.
It has been done
[2666] PSX Castlevania: Symphony of the Night "Replay Mode" by ForgoneMoose in 12:44.25
Though if the SRAM branch doesn't make it to Moons, Vault rules would probably reject it due to technically not being any% or 100%. I can't tell if no branch name with dirty SRAM changes that or not.
Personally I'd much rather see a dirty SRAM Phoenix Wright run than clean SRAM, even if it doesn't end up being publishable here
