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AngerFist wrote:
First of all, we changed our beloved initial name Timeattacks to TASvideos
I thought we changed from nesvideos to tasvideos.
Either way, I don't see anything wrong with the term TAS. It stands exactly for what it is... and I think we all hate if people are mistaken these runs for something they are not (either played normally, or cheated).
I do like the new voting/rating system for submissions. Like the previous voting system, it gives an indication of what people think about it (which was/is its main goal), and it promotes people rating at the same time (and more ratings are generally better).
It is true that some people who were voting before aren't rating, (I myself haven't started rating in fact, although I do plan on doing it), since it requires a bit more thought, and it's sometimes hard to decide... there is however still posting, which is most important.
I do think that this system attracted a few new 'raters' who are giving out 10/10's too easy.
Kyrsimys wrote:
it's the focus on shaving frames instead of providing an entertaining movie that's been slowly killing my interest in TASes and this site
I somewhat agree. It's quite often that you don't know/remember the previous run well enough to spot the improvements. For myself, it's also a problem somehow. I'm currently working on TASes which are only relatively small improvements over previous runs, and while it takes a LOT of time to make, the results are only minor (although they might be a significant step towards perfection)... it still somehow feels less motivating than when you are making something that feels totally new.
Either way, I don't think there is anything bad about getting more perfect movies... but I do sometimes wonder if some frames were worth the time invested in them.
It is probably right though. Entertainment ratings count for about 2/3, and technical ratings for about 1/3... so the person who only rated entertainment contributed about 2/3 which is roughly 0.6 (I know, rounded it would be 0.7, but there are other factors too). It's close enough to what one would expect for it to seem ok.
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PreddY wrote:
actually I didn't find an information on how to setup a co-author. if you could provide a likn or im just blind i would be glad to change it :D
- Go to this page: http://tasvideos.org/2125S.html
- Scroll down, at the left you will see "Edit" (You need to be logged in at the site)
- At "Real name", enter "Ryan Ferneau & Marcus Göhlert" (or the other way around)
- At "Nickname", enter "Bag of Magic Food & PreddY"
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That's quite a strange route for that level indeed! Funny how such a different route turned out to be a tile faster.
I'll look into Lolo again in a short while (I checked out 6-1 a bit now, but couldn't get it faster thurfar than your latest version... pushing the block at the left further up to also block the medusa at the right seems fun, but ends up giving trouble unfortunately); currently occupied with some other stuff, but once again, very nice improvement.
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Wow, these improvements are great! Especially since you found them in real time, and because quite a lot of people already looked at improvements for this game many times.
The improvement on 3-1 is awesome. The different placement of the bridge is very nice and inventive.
I was always bothered by 3-2... I always disliked that level since there didn't seem to be a very intuitive way to complete it. Your new route is still someone intuitive, but a nice improvement :)
8-4 was an interesting surprise indeed. Nice work on this... I think I remember hanzou saying he was surprised at me improving this level some time in the past, since there is no enemy interaction in this level.
8-5 is probably one of the hardest levels to perfect. I also spent quite some time on it, as well as BoMF. At the first versions, the enemies didn't move parallel, so it's not like I only focussed on getting them to line up... but there are many possibilities at this level. I'm very impressed you improved it in realtime :o
9-3, as already mentioned, I'm surprised this was missed somehow, nice find though :)
Five improvements is a LOT, especially for this game. I'm glad a next submission of this TAS won't just have a single level improved! I'll try to find if I can get some improvement of my own in there as well, but that will probably be very hard.
All of these Lolo improvements surely are taking this TAS closer and closer to perfection... but it might also cause a feeling that this will never be perfect... It is particularly peculiar, since this can be considered by far the easiest Lolo game.
Anyway, great job Zugzwang!
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Ah... I searched for this game a long time, but could never find it (probably didn't look hard enough, but the "new" at the beginning was probably the reason I couldn't find it). I played this game a long time ago, and it was quite enjoyable... it has some nice music.
I haven't rated the movie yet, maybe I'll do that later, but it gets a yes for publication from me, for what it's worth.
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Hmm, I have to admit that not much work was done on it lately. It is however still a current project, and I did complete another level since my previous post (so 3 levels are done currently).
So it's still being worked on, although currently not as active as is should be. I hope this will change soon relatively soon though.
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It has been submitted here I think you'll also find an avi of it (the first level that is) somewhere in the thread (if not, I'm sure AngerFist is willing to provide you with one).
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If your food is gonna spoil if you hold off too long eating it, but you feel don't feel like eating it, but feel like eating something else, do you still eat it, somewhat against your will, or do you throw it away?
(Hmm, that sentence isn't very readable... but you probably get what I meant.)
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Thedarksnw wrote:
I just didn't knew its only possible to post something if you beat current record. Think im going back to MMZ now lol.
This is certainly not the case, and I didn't say this. I only said that the chances of a movie being published, and certainly if it's your first TAS, are significantly higher if it's an improvement to a published movie.
If it's a TAS of a game that already has several movies, it should bring something new to the table.
Obviously it is possible to submit runs that doesn't have a published run... how do you think all these runs got here in the first place?
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I don't see how you disagree that luck manipulation doesn't take effort...
I said i disagree that this is only thing that is worth effort.
And now i know that i have to upload it somewhere and go for forum before actually submitting, will do so next time.
Maybe I phrased it wrong. The TAS you made obviously took you effort to make. When I said that it means to me "no effort", I meant to say that it means to me "I purposefully didn't put all the effort possible into this TAS"... which usually leads to a very fast rejection, since like Derakon said, these runs should aim for doing something perfect.
Good that you will use post a wip at the forum next time. This is a good place to upload them.
May I suggest you making a TAS that already has a published movie? That way, you can easily see if you are on the right track. If you make a clear improvement to a published movie, it is almost certain that your movie will get published, while with a movie with a new category it is less certain.
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Thedarksnw wrote:
Well i can't agree that doing crits each hit is whole effort. And there was no rush, i was expecting to finish it in 14 hours and it took 17 because few segments took a bit longer. Just that 3 hour difference late at night affecting the end.
And uh isn't this a forum?
Well, technically it is... but it obviously isn't what I meant, and you know it. I was talking about this.
What you did was submitting a movie at the site, and the submission most certainly isn't at the forum, but at the site. This is only a place to discuss it.
14 hours is not a lot of time for such a long TAS... and I dare say that (unless the game is wickedly easy, which would mean it wouldn't make an interesting TAS anyway) it is not even possible to create a good TAS of this length within 14 hours.
I don't see how you disagree that luck manipulation doesn't take effort... I'd say it might be the most frustrating part of the run (along with possibly lag reduction). If you didn't do that, it means you skipped the parts of the TAS that take up the biggest part of the time, and are the most frustrating too... which means a lot of effort is required. Just not doing this (even deliberately) means that not enough effort was put into it... I'm sorry but this is just the way it is... and if you disagree (which you apparently do), then please state why you disagree.
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Thedarksnw wrote:
Thing is i dont really know anyone who likes watching speedruns, so you guys are only people to comment :).
superjupi: It was like 5am when i finished and my head was not working very clear. I feel like it would be better to waste a bit more time but down Dracula.
There is no rush whatsoever needed for these kind of runs. Some TASes take many months to finish. You should posts wips at the forum... there will be people there who can comment on the goals of the run, and the quality.
As for this run, "No luck manipulation" to me just means "no effort"... I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, but making a TAS just is a LOT of work.
So discuss it on the forum next time, and good luck with your next TAS.
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Wow! That was unexpected... very nice!
Warp wrote:
Is the 100-value vote really necessary with *submissions*? I understand why they are desirable with published movies, but do submission really need that degree of accuracy?
It is important that it's consistent. People want their submission ratings to be transferred directly after publication, without having to go vote again.
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Warp wrote:
Baxter wrote:
Well, you didn't quote the part of my post that said:
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I was also wondering what assumptions about God were made in this movie that you disagree with
There's one fundamental flaw in the argumentation of many anti-christianity people: They seem to think that making good deeds should somehow compensate for your crimes (against God).
Why do they think like that? Not even secular criminal law works like that.
For example, suppose that someone has committed murder and he is (justly) found guilty of it, and sentenced for life to jail. Imagine this person would defend himself with: "But look at all the *good* things I have done! I have donated money to charity, I have helped the poor and needy, I have helped my neighbors when they were in need, I have always cared about my parents, who are old and sick, I have always been good and helpful to my friends in the time of their need, I have never stolen anything, I have made any crime before this... Surely all these good deeds should compensate for this one sin?"
Sure, it's great that he has done all those good deeds, but they don't matter: He still goes to jail. He has committed a crime, and he has to pay for it. That's how criminal law works, and people generally accept that as the way it should be. Nobody expects the murderer to go free if he has done enough good deeds during his life.
Why do they expect God to judge differently than this? Why do they expect that enough good deeds should compensate for their sins? It doesn't work like that in court, and it doesn't work like that with God.
Of course atheists will argument that, in their opinion, they haven't done anything that deserves such a harsh punishment. However, they are driven by their own human conception of what is "morally right" and "fair". They assume that they know what ultimately is morally right, and what deserves harsh punishment and what not. They don't even contemplate the possibility that there might be a bigger picture, that they might be wrong.
Let me first state that I have no idea what your post has to do with what you quoted from me at the top.
Secondly, you should note that "anti-christianity people" as you call them, and I assume you mean anti-theists, are not the same as atheists (check wikipedia if you want to know the difference).
To answer your question: "Why does an atheist think that making good deeds should somehow compensate for your crimes (against God)?"
The answer is simple. An atheist per definition doesn't believe in God, and therefore doesn't think that not believing in God is a crime. They don't expect to be compensated for their sins, as they don't believe that there will be any kind of judgement.
As for your comparison with secular criminal law, there are differences:
- A murderer knows he broke the law, and even if he did lots of other good deeds, he knows he has done something wrong. An atheist doesn't think he did something wrong by not believing in God, which is the fundamental difference, and which is why an atheist could/would/might consider himself a good person. This is not the same for the murderer.
- The outcome of the trial will not depend on what religion the suspect holds or doesn't hold.
- Even if a murder was committed, the secular criminal law does will not let the criminal be tortured (let alone for eternity).
And lastly, about atheists not contemplating that they might be wrong... it seems that most religions are mutually exclusive. The question "What if you're wrong?" applies to everyone, no matter what point of view you have about it.
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Xkeeper wrote:
Assuming you could ask me one question and get an honest response from me, what would it be?
Do you think bald people have a harder time than people with hair when it rains? On one hand, the cold rain drops right on the skull... but on the other hand, it's easier to dry themselves when they get home...
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Baxter wrote:
It's indeed about significance... and I do think the difference between a 7.8 and 7.9 is significant. I don't see your problem, as you will still be able to vote in as big steps as you want.
Of course I will, but the main point is that it'll still instigate people towards making a different placement of movies
I think this is currently fine. Each person rates at a different average, which is no problem, as long as people are rating consistently with their previous ratings. This is especially done if people will look at their list, and rate accordingly. I think this is a very good thing... not a bad thing.
So I wouldn't even say that people instigate towards different placement, I'd say with this, people will be able to rate consistently. Even if, by looking at their rating list, they come to the conclusion that they might want to switch a tenth or something... that's not nearly as much as someone who wants to give a 7.5 and needs to switch 5 tenths.
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It's indeed about significance... and I do think the difference between a 7.8 and 7.9 is significant. I don't see your problem, as you will still be able to vote in as big steps as you want. I don't think the difference between 7.77 and 7.78 is significant, which is why I'm not suggesting that. The reason why I think 0.1 is a significant difference, is since most of the movies tend to end up getting a rating between a 6 and a 9, while there still will be huge differences between them. Rating for published movies, ratings below a 4 are really rare (I think... for most of the voters), so it's not really like you'll have 100 options.
Maybe it also has to do with what grading system is used for instance during school. For me, it was always from 1 to 10, with the accuracy I'm advocating. I've gotten used to grades in that way, and I get a different feeling from seeing a 7.7 and a 7.8. If it's really not significant, then why not round up the averages of the votes to integers also? If you list the TASes by average rating, you see something way more informative than you would see if all averages would be rounded to integers. I view a personal rating list in a similar way.
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I said "we don't need them", as in "no one needs them". So I meant everyone, including the people who might want them. Either way, why do you think they are so useful (especially considering people get misguided by labels like "average")?
