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Why bother backing up these files? They are a bunch of pointless files of people cheating and claiming it can be done on a console, who cares? If I were a stronger person, I'd delete them from the server right now :/
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Sorry for the double post, but I have been thinking. Perhaps this thread should be made public along with an announcement? It might help people help understand how we made this decision.
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So this morning I received word about our server contract. We can get out of the server agreement despite having prepaid. However, we are on the hook for the month of April. So if we want we can keep the site up for the next 30 days. I'm thinking that we need to put up an announcement on the main page. Should we keep the site going for those 30 days?
Over the weekend I did some soul searching. I pondered if we were crazy for doing this. But every logical chain worked its way here. It has left me quite depressed actually. No TASing and no running the site has left a void in my days. Not sure what I am going to do now.
I feel a little angry too, like I've been led astray by a hoax. In 2004 I just wanted to see some asian guy beet SMB3 quickly. Had TASing not happened, I would have found a legit hobby - namely speedruns. Just think had I found a console run instead. What kind of speedrunner could I have been? I wonder how many other people we have ripped away from legit competitive gaming and desensitized them with these hoax movies.
I guess I will begin writing a solemn announcement for the front page. I should have it up by tomorrow at the latest.
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Well, I don't know the exact details on our server agreement. I might be able to get out of it sooner. I'll contact them and exactly how long we are committed.
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It makes sense to remove our speed based movies. However, even if we replace as many of them as possible with some of their more entertainment based predecessors, that is still an 95% cut of the site's content!
TASVideos - Tool-assisted Superplays
"come watch our 30 playaround movies, they are cool!"
Not much of a site is left...but I don't know that we have much choice. Perhaps if we handle the situation well, we can salvage the site, and retain a community.
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I agree, speed is silly. I claim to hold a lot of speed records for several games but what's the point? "Hey, Double Dragon 2 can be beaten in 8:40 by cheating". What record does this hold? Nothing. I also could easily cheat to make this 1 second if I chose. Remember the debates about TAS movies recorded with cheat codes? It was quickly decide such a thing is pointless.
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sgrunt wrote:
What we should be aiming for is to set out that the results you see here are "close enough" to what is possible on the actual console.
In light of this, the "good enough" label might not be feasible. A "might not be actually possible" label doesn't really work either - it'll just turn more people to saying that we're "cheating". Having speed be eliminated from the mission statement also isn't acceptable, as it defeats the purpose of many of the runs of the site.
Exactly. The who concept of TASing and TASVideos is founded on the principle of being possible on a real console, not "close enough". Without that foundation we have nothing! I don't see how I can, in good conscious, keep deceiving the public with these false notions. What's the point?
I feel like it is all unraveling now. I remember playing blades of steel as a child and watching the demo. I thought it was just built into it different demos. Little did I know I was watching a proof of concept that would destroy the hobby I had cherished for so many years! :-(
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So I did some research on Super Mario Bros 2 USA. It turns out that the game doesn't initialize objects before using them. Later on it reuses old values, but the first time it is random. Not good :/
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Thanks, I'll try that out sometime soon.
Also, a forum thread seems to be a bad way of reporting bugs and even worse for new feature ideas. We have the TODO wiki page, but perhaps we need a better system than either of these, somehow.
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The rules written on this site were never intended to be interpreted with the strictness that is being discussed here. If the wording can be taken that strict I apologize and will try to word it in a more flexible manner.
However, I want to make a more important point. And that is that a submission must be compared to the movie it obsoletes when judged. Rejecting a new submission is statement of the existing run's superiority.
Choosing to keep Guano's run also breaks a site rule (must beat all known records) by losing to an unassisted record.
Both movies pose a problem. So which published movie do you want? One that loses to an unassisted speedrun or one that uses the not preferred ROM choice? We went with the latter. Sometimes judging is "icky" business.
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Ditto.
About a year ago Comicalflop did a TAS of this game and showed it to me and a few people. That was pretty much our verdict and it wasn't submitted.
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Moozooh missed a semi-important point. Even if it hadn't been submitted here, this run was already seen by thousands of people since it was already on Nicovideo.
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Slowking wrote:
Of course they will use the Japanese version. Everything else would be unfair towards them, as they can't compete against the Japanese version with the English one.
I think your conclusion involves a misconception. For publication purposes, time gained by text speed is irrelevant.
Let's use a hypothetical numbers:
a USA movie that is 51 minutes
a J movie that is 50 minutes
time saved using Japanese text: 1 minute
For Judgement purposes these movies are functionally equivalent. Time savers such as text are irrelevant. Game play is what matters.
In fact, the history of the J vs U rule is in this very issue. Comparisons in the early days were difficult and so it was hard to discern how the ROM change affected the final time. Thus, to save that kind of confusion, the (flexible) rule was adopted.
Also, there are numerous exceptions to this rule throughout the site history. Both of J ROMs obsoleting U ROMs and vice versa.
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I guess I should clear up these points:
1) This movie will not be rejected due to using the J ROM (that isn't to say it won't be rejected but that it will not be a factor)
2) If published a new run is still preferred to be a U ROM choice. Text has nothing to do with the improvements. Thus a U ROM can be a slower time than this provided that it is proven to be as a result of the text (which is on the author to prove).
3) A publication will not set a precedent for a J ROM for this movie or any other. Rather be an exception to the rule due to extreme circumstances.
These issues are non-debatable.
Also, people, please use some common sense.
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Also, I want to thank abeshi for kindly submitting his movie to our site.
Having watched the entire TAS, I'd say I like it a lot more than the published movie. I also vote yes.