I know a way to jump to almost any address in System Bus:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/698993369321308240/1097261539280560158/HP1_v4.bk2
1. buy a chocolate frog
2. get to the upper left of the stage by pressing start as you enter a boss fight
3. move left until 0xCABC is a value where your payload is located
4. pause the game, use frog by Right + A to jump to 0xC970, nop slide to CABB, which jumps to wherever 0xCABC pointed to
5. Credits I guess? Haven't gotten anything interesting except not crash. Crashes almost all the time however.
The input file uses BizHawk 2.8. I can't figure out where to jump to do anything interesting yet; stuff such as item, card amounts, etc are all located in WRAM, so I don't know where else to go. If anyone knows, please help.
To prevent myself from accidentally losing it:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280808167993245707/1155706332301774869/HP1_v7.bk2
Sanqui realized using the Chocolate Frog puts you to WRAM bank 6, which is where items are located. They came up with a payload that took 47k sickles worth of items to setup, which gradually got bought down to 8k.
Rather than use Hogwarts dungeon, I realized I can leave battles using "yes" item, so I warped to the forbidden forest to get OoB, then executed the payload to credits warp.
It beats the game in 36,122 frames, or 10:02.03. I need to check something a bit more before submitting.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280808167993245707/1156653184710889542/HP1_v7.bk2
I was trying to improve it, and managed to get a whole bunch of glitched items without crashing.
isn't the cloning glitch useful? from what i recall it's faster to catch pokemon than it is to evolve, so i dont get why you have so many multiples of some of them,you could catch a wingull later... this opmitzation happens a lot in the r2 frlg tas as an example.
the more i watch the less i like it, why didn't u just speedrun the game and cloned rare candies, i'm either clearly missing something or you didn't do any additional research
They wanted it glitchless. The fact it's glitchless + need to catch and obtain 1 of every Pokemon before a gym kinda makes it very boring.
I think there's a working credits warp setup for Harry Potter. Before I make a run out of it, there's 2 options:
1. Immediately jump to the credits, game doesn't recognize game end after credits, but is faster
2. Do something a bit longer to set up a jump to the end sequence, which I think game seems to recognize? It is slower however.
What is better in this case?
Based on new information gathered about speed, I made a change of route:
1. Fight 2 remains the same, drop must be minus driver.
2. Fight 3 remains the same, drop must be assault rifle.
3. Fight 4,5,6 can be any drop except left arm and head. They also must all drop each different set so I can equip later at the end of tournament 2
4. Fight 7 remains the same, drop must be Leaf Fan
5. I need 1 blast gun from either fight 8 or 9
6. Swap back to default legs (forget about Gunzer) and assault rifle right before tournament 1
7. Manipulate Yanma and Kabuto to be basically the same, so they can all be OHKO with assault rifle. If they had hyper/normal laser and shell tank, I can outrun them
8. Defeat Paddy as normal. Make sure the drop is Floaty. This must be immediately swapped into, since bipedal leg has penalty of 2 in woods.
9. Inago doesn't matter.
10. Iseki's magentacat can be outrun using floaty, by making them all use Taser. They have a speed of 11 using that move, while missile with floaty should have a speed of 10. She must drop Taser either before or now, once.
11. Paddy must drop head part Meteor Strike, since it has the lowest HP. I will swap to that after Beauty to die faster.
12. Make sure Beauty has at least 1 Cockpit for money. The leader must have Taser. You should be able to outrun them with missile + floaty
13. Equip 2nd tinpet with Meteor Strike, rest doesn't matter. Lose to Yuuki. Alternatively, don't bother using 2nd tinpet, and let Yuuki take your default head part in tinpet 1. You still need the 2nd tinpet equipped, or you will get a gameover.
14. Sell exactly 1 of each: Taser + Blast Gun + Cockpit = 1000 + 1200 + 2800. This should be exactly 5000, which is enough to buy Death Blast head part.
15. Equip only the Death Blast. Do not change anything else. Beat the rest of the tournament.
If I want to get Roots for the Kirara ending, I would need Yellowturtle to drop Battery head part to sell since it costs 600 yen.
1. Can there please be a way to resize table columns? Like if something was just a table of 1 digit numbers, can it please not look be wide?
2. Can there please be a way to sort values inside tables?
3. Can there please be some visual builder for tables? It is a pain to make.
I took the time to investigate how speed works in this game
When a turn starts, your medabots start's at X position 8 (left) to 64 (center), where you attack. Then you run back.
For the npc, their X position is 152 (right) to 96 (center).
These are the relevant addresses:
Language: lua
p1_sprite = 0xC1E0,
p1_x = 0xC1E2,
p1_speed = 0xC1F5,
p1_speed_index = 0xC1F6, --speed is actually an array of 0s to 2s
p1_direction = 0xC1F7, --0 running to side. 1 running to center
p2_sprite = 0xC200,
p2_x = 0xC202,
p2_speed = 0xC215,
p2_speed_index = 0xC216, --speed is actually an array of 0s to 2s
p3_sprite = 0xC220,
p3_x = 0xC222,
p3_speed = 0xC235,
p3_speed_index = 0xC236, --speed is actually an array of 0s to 2s
npc1_sprite = 0xC240,
npc1_x = 0xC242,
npc1_speed = 0xC255,
npc1_speed_index = 0xC256, --speed is actually an array of 0s to 2s
npc2_sprite = 0xC260,
npc2_x = 0xC262,
npc2_speed = 0xC275,
npc2_speed_index = 0xC276, --speed is actually an array of 0s to 2s
npc3_sprite = 0xC280,
npc3_x = 0xC282,
npc3_speed = 0xC295,
npc3_speed_index = 0xC296, --speed is actually an array of 0s to 2s
Speed is a value that ranges from 0 to 31. The way it works, is based on the value of Speed, the game reads an array 16 values long in ROM 0x11A0B.
ROM
Speed
0
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
Pixels per 16 frames
Frames to side/center
11A0B
0
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
32
28
11A1B
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
31
29
11A2B
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
1
30
30
11A3B
3
2
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
2
2
1
29
31
11A4B
4
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
1
2
2
2
1
28
32
11A5B
5
2
2
1
2
2
1
2
2
1
2
2
1
2
2
1
2
27
33
11A6B
6
2
1
2
2
1
2
2
1
2
1
2
2
1
2
2
1
26
35
11A7B
7
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
25
36
11A8B
8
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
24
37
11A9B
9
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
2
1
23
39
11AAB
10
2
1
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
2
1
2
1
1
2
1
22
41
11ABB
11
2
1
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
2
1
1
1
21
42
11ACB
12
2
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
20
45
11ADB
13
2
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
1
19
47
11AEB
14
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
18
49
11AFB
15
2
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
17
52
11B0B
16
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
16
56
11B1B
17
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
0
15
59
11B2B
18
1
1
1
1
1
1
0
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
1
0
14
63
11B3B
19
1
1
1
1
0
1
1
1
1
0
1
1
1
1
1
0
13
68
11B4B
20
1
1
1
0
1
1
1
0
1
1
1
0
1
1
1
0
12
74
11B5B
21
1
1
0
1
1
0
1
1
0
1
1
0
1
1
0
1
11
81
11B6B
22
1
0
1
1
0
1
1
0
1
0
1
1
0
1
1
0
10
89
11B7B
23
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
9
99
11B8B
24
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
8
111
11B9B
25
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
7
127
11BAB
26
1
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
1
0
6
148
11BBB
27
1
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
0
5
177
11BCB
28
1
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
4
221
11BDB
29
1
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
3
295
11BEB
30
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
441
11BFB
31
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
881
Now how is speed determined? The function starts at ROM bank 4, 0x5C5E.
1. A value from base + 0x83 (medal rank) is obtained. This is added with 0x5D4C to get an address. The values obtained are as follows:
3. A value from base + 0x13 (leg type) is obtained. This is subtracted by 1, then add to the address in 2. You get the following:
Leg Type
Base+13
[Base+13]-1
Woods
Value
Desert
Value
City
Value
Mountain
Value
Beach
Value
Flying
1
0
5D57
4
5D5F
0
5D67
0
5D6F
4
5D77
0
Hover
2
1
5D58
0
5D60
0
5D68
0
5D70
0
5D78
0
Multi-leg
3
2
5D59
0
5D61
1
5D69
0
5D71
1
5D79
2
Bipedal
4
3
5D5A
2
5D62
2
5D6A
0
5D72
0
5D7A
2
Wheeled
5
4
5D5B
4
5D63
4
5D6B
0
5D73
2
5D7B
4
Tank
6
5
5D5C
4
5D64
2
5D6C
2
5D74
2
5D7C
2
Aquatic
7
6
5D5D
2
5D65
4
5D6D
2
5D75
1
5D7D
0
4. A value from 0xC6F9, which is apparently wind speed, is obtained. This is then used to obtain an address:
C6F9 is determined at start of fight
possible values of HL
C6F9
0 5D7F
1 5D87
2 5D8F
--not sure if possible`
3 5D97
5. A value from base + 0x13 (leg type) is obtained. This is subtracted by 1, then added to the address from above to obtain the following:
Leg Type
[Base+13]-1
C6F9 (0)
Value
C6F9 (1)
Value
C6F9 (2)
Value
C6F9 (3)
Value
Flying
0
5D7F
0
5D87
2
5D8F
4
5D97
0
Hover
1
5D80
0
5D88
1
5D90
3
5D98
3
Multi-leg
2
5D81
0
5D89
0
5D91
1
5D99
0
Bipedal
3
5D82
0
5D8A
0
5D92
1
5D9A
3
Wheeled
4
5D83
0
5D8B
0
5D93
0
5D9B
0
Tank
5
5D84
0
5D8C
0
5D94
0
5D9C
3
Aquatic
6
5D85
0
5D8D
1
5D95
2
5D9D
2
6. A value form base + 0xC5 (current selected part's charge), then added to the rest of the above.
We get the following:
value from medal rank + terrain penalty + wind speed penalty + part charge - 0x20 AND 0x1F
the last part is only a check to see if your speed somehow is slower than 32, but not overflowed. It will automatically set the speed if > 0x20 (32) to 31.
This means that how fast you are for the very first turn of the fight is completely independent of the speed stat mentioned in leg page:
also i did end up looking into mail glitch and the doll decoration glitch
unfortunately they probably won't lead to a sequence break anytime soon
on jp r/s, mail glitch can only corrupt/modify the 255th mail slot, which overlaps with metatiles on some maps. so you can't modify other metatiles
of the maps it is usable on, you can't do any sequence breaking
- it can't touch the wailmer in lilycove
- it falls one tile short of corrupting the beach on route 118
- you can't corrupt ever grande and bypass the waterfall
what it can do
- you can surf on land by doing it on route 110
- you can step onto water on route 103, but you won't be able to step off the other side
- you can walk on water in mossdeep
- you can enter a secret base as early as slateport
if there was a way to modify just one more tile on route 118, you could do this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/280808167993245707/690374674894553108/so-close.mp4
and cross route 118 early
additionally, if mail glitch worked on us emerald (i believe it's actually possible to set it up...but only in a secret base or link battle)
you could corrupt box 2, slot 27 of the PC. and win that way
So if you, or anyone else is curious about progress so far.
Glitches:
Use the same medal on multiple medabots:
Normally, you can only have 1 medal of each type, and only 1 medabot can use that medal. If you did the following, you could get 2 to use the same medal:
1. Get at least 2 tinpets
2. Get at least 2 medals (let's call them medal A and medal B)
3. Make tinpet 1 equip medal A. Make tinpet 2 equip medal B
4. Start a robattle with an NPC that isn't required for the story. So random encounter.
5. Choose only tinpet 1 to fight.
6. Lose the fight.
7. Go to the info screen. Select tinpet 2.
8. Change their medal to the one tinpet 1 had. Now you have 2 bots with the same medal.
Example:
I made 2 bots equip the Mermaid medal at the same time.
Sprite glitch:
At the start of the game, right after the intro, there's a 1 frame window you could move, but the game doesn't update your sprite:
Encounter reset on save:
This is way to slow to use, but the step count for encounters don't get saved on saving. At 47 steps, you are guaranteed to have a robattle the next time you move. A way to avoid this is simply save and reset. This makes the encounter address 0xC761 reset back to 0.
I was investigating flags for in game events in hopes of some exploit. Here's my note dump. These are all in CartRam domain in BizHawk.
6003 0 Nae is present outside the observatory. This happens once you get her flag to 7
1 You talked to Nae outside the observatory
128 Nae is no outside the observatory
6004 0 The roborubber gang member at the bottom left of the observatory area is present
128 The robomedal gang member at the bottom left of the observatory area is gone
6005 0 ??. This gets set if you gave the parts to the roborubber gang member at the observatory area. Else 60A2 gets set if you refused.
128 ??
6006 0 You haven't bought the Star Piece in the Observatory
1 You bought a Star Piece in the Observatory
6012 0 The worker left of the stadium wants to fight you
128 The worker left of the stadium is gone
602A 0 Kubota will want you to beat the monkeys in the mountain first
1 Kubota will now challenge you in a fight in the Medabot Laboratory area
129 Kubota has been beaten in the Medabot Laboratory area
602D 0 ?????
1 this gets set after beating Inago
6035 0 ENDING RELATED You haven't tried going to the broken tinpets in the medabot laboratory.
1 You tried to enter the broken tinpet area once.
2 You tried to enter the broken tinpet area twice
3 You tried to enter the broken tinpet area 3 times
4 You tried to enter the broken tinpet area 4 times
6049 0 You haven't beaten your grandad Inesaku in Dad's Hometown.
1 You have beaten your grandad.
604A 0 You haven't talked to your grandma in Dad's Hometown.
1 You have talked to your grandma in Dad's Hometown.
6053 0 The girl in front of the medal museum in the digsite is present
128 The girl in front of the medal museum in the digsite is gone. This gets set on triggering the dig site event
6059 0 ???
128 This gets set to 128 after respawning at your home after dig site.
6064 0 You haven't obtained the Bat medal in the building next to the medal museum in dig site.
128 You have obtained the Bat medal inside the building next to the medal museum.
6065 0 You haven't obtained the Quick Legs in the building next to the medal museum in dig site.
128 You have obtained the Quick Legs inside the building next to the medal museum.
606D 0 ?????
128 this gets set after beating Suzume
6072 0 You can give a ticket to the lady in the lotto building. Talking to her loses 1 ticket, then starts the lotto computer
1 You have given a ticket to the lady in the lotto building
6073 0 The computer in the lotto building doesn't work
1 The computer in the lotto building works. Use it to play the lotto.
608A 0 You have beaten Suzume on the roof. The building in Insect Prof. Laboratory has a girl inside now.
128 You haven't beaten Suzume on the roof. The building in Insect Prof. Laboratory has a roborubber gang member inside.
6092 0 You haven't visited the house next to the store in ninja park. Doing so now will give you Mist Net
1 You visited the house next to the store in ninja park. Doing so now will give you Ninja legs
2 You visited the house the 2nd time. You lost Mist Net in exchange for Kunai and Ninjato. Nothing then happens from now on.
6098 0 You haven't found the ninja hiding in the drawer in F1 of the ninja park hotel (room 37, upper right)
1 You found the ninja inside the drawer
6099 0 You have not obtained the Invisi-Body from the drawer in F1 of the ninja park hotel (room 37, upper left)
1 You have obtained the Invisi-Body from the drawer in F1 of the ninja park hotel (room 37, upper left)
60A2 0 The old man at the bottom left of the medabot corporation area is present. This gets set if you refused to give parts to the roborubber gang member at the bottom left of the observatory area. Else 6005 gets set instead.
128 The old man at bottom left of the medabot corporation area is gone.
60AD 0 Yuuki normal dialogue?
1 You lost to Yuuki in tournament 2, so he will give you Crow Tengu set. This then gets set to 2.
2 You defeated Yuuki in tournament 2, so he won't give you Crow Tengu parts.
3 He tells you to get to the ruins to fix your medal
4 He tells you to hurry up to get the medal fixed.
60A9 0 You haven't gotten Anti-Water from the researcher in Medabots Corporation building
1 You've obtained the anti-water from the researcher
2 You can now obtain the mini-handle from the researcher. This also gets set to 2 after beating the roborubber gang at the mine cart town.
3 You've obtained the mini-handle from the researcher
4 You can now obtain the Wings of Wind from the researcher
5 You've obtained the Wings of Wind from the researcher
60B2 0 Antique store is closed
1 Antique store is opened.
60B3 1 yanma appears blocking the path to medarot laboratory before you beaten shark
129 yanma sprite is gone
60BB 0 A boy who wants moon dragon parts is present at the park. This gets set after loosing parts to the old man in medabot corporation area.
128 The boy in the park who wants moon dragon parts is gone.
60BC 0 This gets set once you give the boy in the park moon dragon parts?
128 ??
60C1 0 You haven't talked to the shopkeeper.
1-7 This is the amount of lotto tickets you can get. It increases by 1 every time you talk to the shopkeeper, even if you haven't talked to the old man for another ticket.
60C2 0 The old man at the antique store is grumpy
1 The old man has given you lotto ticket
2 This gets set when talking to the shopkeeper when 60C1 < 7. He will now give you lotto tickets
3 You've obtained all the lotto tickets
60C3 0 you havent beaten Inago yet. Your dad is still in your house
128 you beaten Inago. Your dad is now not in your house
60C4 0 ?????
2 this gets set after beating Inago
60C9 0 yanma is in his house
128 yanma is blocking the path to medarot laboratory
60D0 0 Science teacher is setting things up
1 Science teacher asks about your medal evolving
2 Science teacher thinks you don't trust him
3 Science teacher wants to fight you
4 Science teacher wants the Solar Laser part. THIS IS REQUIRED FOR NAE ENDING
5 You gave him the Solar Laser, or refused
6 You have the nurse the roots
60D1 0 Normal school nurse dialogue. This the sets to 1
1 Normal school nurse dialogue. This the sets to 0
2 The school nurse wants to fight you. Doing so rewards Unicorn medal.
3 The school nurse has fought you.
4
5 The nurse will fight you
6 The nurse wants the Root leg part. THIS IS REQUIRED FOR ENDING
7 You have either gave her the part, or refused.
60D7 0 You haven't entered the girls washroom
1 you entered the girl's washroom
60E2 0 The librarian hasn't lost their book. This gets set to 1 after the class before the shrine.
1 The librarian lost their book.
2 You got the book back from the metabot on the roof
3 You return the Difficult Book to the librarian
60E7 0 The medabot that took the Difficult Book is on the roof
1 You have defeated the medabot and it gave you the book
128 The medabot the took the Difficult Book is gone from the roof
60EA 0 It gets set to 1 after the class before the shrine. If you talk to him, he gets annoyed you didn't knock, but won't fight
1 This gets set after the class before the shrine. The principle will now challenge you if you don't knock. Then it gets set to 0.
2 This gets set if you knock the principle's door. The principle won't challenge you.
3 This gets set as you fight Yuuki in tournament 2. Talking to him unlocks the antique store.
60F0 0 ????
1 This gets set to 1 after beating the shark in the harbor
129 This gets set to 129 after respawning at your home after dig site.
60F2 0 havent defeated shark. gets warning
1 npc talks how aquatic medabots are best for water stages
60F3 0 ????
1 This gets set to 1 after beating the shark in the harbor
129 This gets set to 129 after respawning at your home after dig site.
60F7 0 shark trigger exists in harbor
128 shark has been beaten
60F8 0 knight medal chest not opened
1 makes the old man in harbor realize you have knight medal to give you parts and fish
2 he ask you to help with his dragnet
3 obtained the password 1-zu from the dragnet
60FC 0 knight medal chest not opened
1 knight medal chest opened
60FD 0 Headband in harbor cave chest not obtained
1 Headband in harbor cave chest obtained
6105 0 Suzume on the roof of the Select Corps building (area 70) hasn't been beaten
128 Suzume has been defeated on the root
6107 0 ???
128 this gets set after beating Suzume
610C 0 The chest with the robomedal on F3 of the Select Corps building (area 74) hasn't been checked
1 The robomedal in the chest has been obtained
610F 0 The ninja hiding in the chest in the Select Corps building F4 (area 76) hasn't been fought
1 The ninja hiding in the chest has been beaten
6110 0 The roborubber gang member in F5 of Select Corps building (area 136) is present
128 He has announced that the building is the new hideout
6112 0 ?????
1 this gets set after beating Inago
6115 0 The girl next to the mayor's house in Mountain Village lost her medal
1 You beaten Inago, obtaining the girl's medal
2 You gave the medal back to the girl
6118 0 Mayor in Mountain Village wants fish.
1 You gave fish to the mayor in Mountain Village.
2 He wants soil now
3 You gave Mountain Soil to the Mayor.
4 You talked to the mayor again after giving him the Mountain Soil. You can now give him pottery. It won't advance by that, so technically possible to exchange twice.
6126 0 You haven't got your money stolen from the crow in the mountains
1 The crow stole 1000 yen from you
2 You obtained 41 robomedals from the crow's nest. It will now just caw at you if you revisit
3 weird auto walk
612A 0 You haven't obtained the mountain soil
128 You have obtained the mountain soil
612B 0 You haven't beaten Inago in the mountain springs yet
1 You beaten Inago in the mountain springs
612D 0 You haven't obtained the coin in the mountain shrine
1 You grabbed the Medal-Like Coin from the mountain shrine
2 You placed Medal-Like Coin back in exchange for Password 2-I
3 You have exchanged the Medal-Like Coin for a Chamleon medal in the Medabot Laboratory. The medal in the shrine disappears.
614A 0 ENDING RELATED You haven't talked to Nae in the medabot laboratory
1 You have talked to Nae, who now warns you about going to off limit area. This gets set to 2 after beating Inago in tournament 1. If you didn't talk to Nae, it gets set to 1 instead. This also gets advanced by 1 as soon as you fight Yuuki in tournament 2.
2 Nae will ask you to help her with something. If you say no, this gets reset to 0. If yes, she gives you Angel Leg, then set to 3.
3 She will now fight you.
4 She has fought you.
5 She wants to test something else and give you the Angel Body.
6 She will now fight you.
7 She has fought you. She will ask you if you want to stargaze with her.
614B 0 You haven't obtained the name tag in the Medabot Laboratory after dig site.
1 You have obtained the name tag in the Medabot Laboratory after dig site.
6151 0 The researcher in the Insect Prof. Laboratory hasn't challenged you after dig site.
1 The researcher has been defeated
6154 0 The ninja at the ninja park hotel basement wants to fight you
1 You have fought, or refused to fight with the ninja
6156 0 The girl at the ninja park hotel basement wants to give you a tinpet (room 36)
1 The girl has given you the tinpet
6157 0 The rope ladder in the ninja park hotel is present behind the poster. This is set to 1 once you check the poster.
1 The rope ladder in the ninja park hotel is gone.
6158 0 Suzume is inside the ninja park hotel.
128 You have defeated Suzume in the ninja park hotel. He is gone.
6159 0 The auidience member in tournament 2 is present.
1 You have defeated Iseki in tournament 2; auidience has new dialogue.
128 The auidience member in tournament 2 is gone
615A 0 The scientist in tournament 2 is present.
128 The scientist in tournament 2 is gone.
615B 0 You have not beaten Iseki in tournament 2.
128 You have defeated Iseki in tournament 2.
615C 0 You have not beaten Paddy in tournament 2.
128 You have defeated Paddy in tournament 2.
615D 0 You have not beaten Beauty in tournament 2.
128 You have defeated Beauty in tournament 2.
615E 0 You have not beaten Yuuki in tournament 2.
128 You have defeated Yuuki in tournament 2.
6160 0 Reika is present at the house southeast of medabot corporation
128 Reika has been defeated in the house southeast of medabot corporation
6167 0 You haven't talked to your Dad after the dig site event. This gets sets back to 0 again after getting the tinpet.
1 You talked to your Dad after the dig site event, so you can now get a tinpet in from the select corps.
6169 0 You haven't talked to your Dad after the dig site event.
1 You talked to your Dad after the dig site event. He now talks about how he would have joined the Select corps.
616B 0 You haven't obtained the Rubberobo Suit from your dog after the dig site.
1 You have obtained the Rubberobo Suit from your dog after the dig site.
616D 0 ??. Gets set to 1 at class before shrine.
1 ??
6173 0 ??
1 ??
6175 0 Yuuki is present in the classroom.
128 Yuuki is gone from the classroom.
6176 0 Paddy is present in the classroom.
128 Paddy is gone from the classroom.
6177 0 Iseki is present in the classroom.
128 Iseki is gone from the classroom.
6178 0 Kubota is present in the classroom.
128 Kubota is gone from the classroom.
6179 0 Yanma is present in the classroom.
128 Yanma is gone from the classroom.
617A 0 The trigger for the classroom event before shrine. Gets set to 128 at class before shrine.
128 The trigger is now gone in the classroom entrance.
617E 0 Gets set at class before shrine.
128 1st tournament event. Yuuki left the tournament.
617F 0 Gets set at class before shrine.
128 1st tournament event. Yanma is defeated.
6180 0 Gets set at class before shrine.
128 1st tournament event. Kubota is defeated.
6181 0 Gets set at class before shrine.
128 1st tournament event. Paddy is defeated and referee left.
6182 0 This means you can get into the roborubber gang hideout
128 Gets set to 128 right before you enter?
6184 0 Chick seller isn't in Local Shrine
1 Chick Seller sold you parts for 500 Yen.
2 This gets set to 0 after class before shrine. Chick Seller will sell you parts.
130 The chicken seller is gone now. This gets set as soon as you defeat Iseki in the 2nd tournament.
6186 0 The roborubber gang in bottom right of the hideout (room 62) will ask you if you have a medabot. If you say no he will give you free coffinbat set
1 He tells you to hurry up and start the tournament
2 This gets set once you start the tournament. He says that's all for today's tournament.
6187 0 The trigger for the roborubber tournament is present
128 The trigger for the roborubber tournament is gone.
6188 0 Typhoon in the roborubber hideout tells you to leave
1 Typhoon fights you in the roborubber hideout
6189 0 The final grunt in the roborubber tournament tells you that's all.
1 The final grunt in the roborubber tournament ask you if you're Hikaru.
618A 0 You haven't beaten the roborubber gang member in the hideout that gives you the card (room 63)
1 You have beaten the roborubber gang member in the hideout that gives you the card
618B 0 ???. Related to 618A have beaten the roborubber gang member in the hideout that gives you the card
128 This gets set once you have beaten the roborubber gang member in the hideout that gives you the card
618C 0 ???. Related to 618D when you get roborubber badge/Abdomen in hideout chest (room 63)
128 This gets set once you have obtained the roborubber badge/Abdomen in the chest in room 63
618D 0 You haven't obtained the roborubber badge/Abdomen in hideout chest (room 63)
1 You have obtained the roborubber badge/Abdomen in hideout chest (room 63)
618E 0 You haven't obtained the Hexadon in hideout chest (room 63)
1 You have obtained the Hexadon in hideout chest (room 63)
61C1 0 ?????
1 this gets set after beating Inago
129 Kubota's sprite vanishes from Medabot Laboratory area after beating him
61C4 0 nothing
1 dad gave you allowance
61CE 0 This gets set to 0 after the school ceremony ends
1 This gets set to 1 after the fight with Yanma in the park
2 This gets set to 2 after beating Reika in the Harbor
3 this gets set after beating Inago in the mountain springs
4 This gets set after Suzume throws your tinpet off the roof
128 this is the value at start of game?
61CF 0 nothing
1 you talked to select corps officer returning the medal
2 you obtained robomedal from select corps officer
61D2 0 - nothing
1 talked to select corps after finding medal
2 talked to dad to get tinpet. setting to 1 makes him give you another
61D3 0 - nothing
1 dad gave you starter set parts. mom will now tell you to go to school last ceremony
2 you talked to teacher. mom will now tell you to do your homework
61DF 0 You haven't beaten Iseki in Downtown
1 You have beaten Iseki in Downtown
61E3 0 The sprite for roborubber gang member in F5 of Select Corps building (area 136) is present
128 The sprite is no longer present
61FD 0 you havent been to class
128 you been to school and teacher gave map and left
6244 0 The tinpet/pottery at the bottom right of the observatory hasn't been obtained
128 The tinpet/pottery at the bottom right of the observatory has been obtained.
6264 0 havent beaten Reika yet in the Harbor
1 beaten Reika in the Harbor
129 beaten yanma, after shark
6222 0 Kirara is present in the classroom.
128 Kirara is gone from the classroom.
6266 0 The trigger point for the local shrine tournament is present
1 Yanma is defeated in the tournament.
2 Kubota is defeated in the tournament.
3 Paddy is defeated in the tournament. Inago is now present to fight.
128 The trigger for the local shrine tournament is gone.
131 Inago is defeated in the shrine arena.
6278 0 You haven't beaten Suzume on the roof. The roborubber gang member in the building of Insect Prof. Laboratory is present.
128 You have beaten Suzume. The gang member is now gone.
6279 0 The judge in the local shrine is present
128 The judge in the local shrine is gone.
6284 0 This got set when you enter the roborubber gang hideout?
128 ??
6285 0 tinpet in harbor cave havent been obtained
1 tinpet in harbor cave has been obtained
6289 0 ??
128 This gets set when you encounter Reika at the house at southeast of the medabot corporation area.
628A 0 The trigger point for the medabot corporation tournament is present
1 Iseki is defeated in the tournament.
2 Paddy is defeated in the tournament.
3 Beauty is defeated in the tournament
128 Tournament 2 trigger is gone
131 Yuuki is defeated in the tournament.
629A 0 school is locked
128 you talked to mom about last day of school; unlocks school
For Kirara ending, the main address to note is: 0x60D1
This is for the nurse at the school. Giving her the Root part, bought at the store in Insect Prof. Lab area, is enough to trigger her ending.
For Nae's ending, the main addresses are:
0x60D0 - Science teacher's progress. Needs to be 6. You MUST give him the Solar Laser (also from Prof. Lab area store) before giving the Root to the nurse, or it won't let you.
0x60D1 - Nurse progress. Needs to be 7. Giving her the Root part, bought at the store in Insect Prof. Lab area
0x614A - Nae's progress. Need to be 7. The opportunity to talk to her appears right after the dig site event.
I found this while looking for LttP stuff:
https://www.alttp-wiki.net/index.php/ACE_RTA
This is for the SNES version. I have no idea how much glitches are preserved between GBA vs. SNES, but it would be interesting if GBA had ACE.
The wiki also has other bugs I never heard of, mostly for SNES, that I do not know if applies to GBA.
https://www.alttp-wiki.net/index.php/Tech
As a TASer you would need to do your best judgment on how to break a game the least, and if unsure ask judges as well. Ideally talk to the existing community for that game too. Again, the global policies, and game specific rules, are meant to make sense.
1. I did ask about what counted as a glitch above. Your reply sounded rather hostile when I asked. I do have legit interests in remaking my old TASes, yet when I did ask I get sarcastic replies like
Being frustrated at people who dare discuss things doesn't sound very promising.
Ultimately, what's the worst case scenario if we're wrong? A run gets published? Heavens, me! Think of the children!!!
Almost all the games I'm interested have literally 0 communities. If I can't even ask a judge here, the only thing I can do is resync my old runs, remove the glitches, then submit and pray for the best.
The frustration has nothing to do with the rules. It is my personal feeling that I suspect when making this rule, most obscure games with minor bugs were not in your mind. I could be completely wrong, and you were indeed also thinking of obsure edge cases when making this rule. In that case, sorry.
Here's some concrete examples of games I am interested in:
1. Tiny Toon Adventures 2: Montana's Movie Madness (there's a single clipping bug used in 1 room, but old VBA so that needs resync)
2. Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon R (a single clipping bug in stage 2)
3. Nanashi no Geemu (A single npc bypass in stage 3, but it is in desmume, so bleg)
4. Sabre Wulf (a single npc despawn bug iirc)
5. Jenga world tour (a single stage where the blocks spontanously all fell, but it got rejected for being a board game)
6. Yuu Yuu Hakusho: Makai no Tobira (I'm not sure if the current route of making the bosses in place counts as bug, but if so then just change the fights I guess so they actually move around)
I am mainly concerned for 5 and 6. If you can, please answer do those count as bugs.
What? It isn't revenge.
I'm actually inspired by your quote:
If TASing is meta-play, TASVideos Movie Rules are meta-meta-play!
I am a glitch hunter, so I love finding exploits to use. In this case, rules like this I find fun to utilize. The same thing happens for games. The developers make a bunch of rules (the code), and I immediately go "so what can I do to break the game?" In other words, I'm asking this not in the view of "this class bad", but in the view of "so how do I break it"?
Ultimately, what's the worst case scenario if we're wrong? A run gets published? Heavens, me! Think of the children!!!
Again, you confuse me for being against this. I'm actually asking because I want to make runs that push the boundaries. I'm not upset actually. In fact, I would be more upset if the judges backtrack and consider more movies be considered spam (then immediately ban me).
Hah, there is certainly the possibility of a lot of bad faith submissions, but somehow I do not think there will be too many of these since tasing is really time consuming. Most games are not so easy to optimally tas due to routing, rng, and lag. Maybe some really simple games are really easy to do multiple submissions with a glitchless though. I do think that those bad faith submissions like your example should be chucked in the garbage though since it is super low effort with basically no difference in the final result. Feels like creating a lot of noise and extra work for people for no benefit. Those submissions should just go to userfiles.
I am sorry if my post comes as bad faith. It is not. I do agree it is time consuming to make a TAS. That is why this rule change is a huge plus for me. I can reuse all my discoveries and scripts to make 2+ runs, rather than all that work on 1 single run. That's why I would love clarification on what is a glitch, so I can dust off past games I TASed and modify them to make something new, reusing almost everything. I see that as work smarter, not harder.
Doesn't that mean that we're letting the game shine through whatever extremes it allows for? In some games the use of glitches is the only thing you can minimize or maximize, and we would be highlighting those differences officially, rather then requiring it to be entertaining.
It’s not the entertainment aspect I’m referring to. It’s wether or not it creates a notable difference in how the game is played.
Here’s an example, in [4048M], the entire game contains no glitches or bugs, except for when it reaches 6-3 where it performs a glitch that saves 50 frames overall.
This is a clip of the glitch: https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4ImmE_J0Hlv4TUZ66bTlRG7LlshuNExV
Here’s what the SNES run does for reference: https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxQVqxP0OYbNFWRzd9HEO8phmiowr7RYlq
Would it make sense to do a glitchless TAS for DKC2 GBA, where the only difference would be that one stage? While every other level would be basically identical? Because I don’t see how that’s a good enough argument to put it into standard just on the fact alone that it’s glitchless.
I just found out about this thread. If this passes, I am totally going to submit runs with minor changes to get more easy records.
Also, for things like "Super Scribblenauts" or "Brain Age", how exactly would a "glitchless" run be like? I am curious how large of a number for instance "2" needs to be to not count as "bug", given you can basically draw anything and it will count.
For real though, I find "glitchless" usually just refer to popular games that are broken. Like, who even cares about some obscure (J) only game no one else ever heard of it to bother gltichless/glitched? It is rather frustrating there's this discussion, and I immediately get the feeling the games people usually have in mind are the popular ones with glitches, with no regard in how it may work as a standard in general for most other games, or ones that have very minor bugs that affect 1 single stage.
If this does pass, I will need to ask, for multiple games, what counts as a bug. For instance, Jurassic Park (NES) doubles your need for 1 single frame every time you land. Am I supposed to minimize jumping in a glitchless run?
In Spongebob the movie, if you do not hold on a direction when in the air using Patrick's pants to fly, they don't reduce your speed. Is that a bug? How much do I limit myself to count as glitchless in this case?
For Digimon Ruby, it was noted that the story progression flags do not match the actual dialogue given.
The game's script (as in plot progression requirements) is...less than solid. The plot can tell you to destroy a Dark Crystal, when in reality the script will ignore the flag about the destruction of that crystal entirely, and it would speed things up significantly if you avoid doing so.
Is a "glitchless" run required to beat the crystal, even if the game doesn't check it?
I'm not sure if it exist, but I hope one day I can find a game with only a single menu bug at the very beginning, then submit 2 runs as "glitchless" and "any%".
Battle:
The goal of the battle is to get the leader (the bot at the top right of the field) hp to 0. By destroying the head, their hp instantly drops to 0, allowing for quick fights.
You start in a screen like this
Here you can press A to view your parts, or press Start to begin.
Once you press Start, the following addresses in CartWRAM are updated:
0x2433 - Which joint you will target when you press UP
? - Which NPC of the 3 you will target, when you press UP
0x2437 - Which joint you will target when you press RIGHT
? - Which NPC of the 3 you will target, when you press RIGHT
0x243B - Which joint you will target when you press LEFT
? - Which NPC of the 3 you will target, when you press LEFT
The values are:
0 - Head
1 - Right Arm
2 - Left Arm
3 - Legs
On the very first turn, once you selected a joint and pressed A, the npc's will have their target (you, or the other 2 bots you can have) as well as the joint determined.
You will also get this screen
This screen only appears on the first turn. You can take advantage of this screen by delaying frames to manipulate the following:
1. If you or the npc has the head as target, right before the actual attack animation, there's a 2nd roll to see if you/the npc uses a different limb to defend the head. If so, the new joint will be the target rather than the head. This is very bad, and is usually the reason why delays are long. However, if the NPC is targeting your head, this can be very helpful, since it allows more choices of frames to choose from.
2. If the attack misses. This usually doesn't happen, but later on NPCs have high evasive, so it starts becoming a problem
3. If the attack misses, and you used a missile, does the blast still hit?
From english patch:
This is what the Japanese WIP manipulates to occur. If you used the default missile (UP), even if it misses, there's a chance the attack still hits.
4. How fast you and the npc run to the center of the stage to attack. For NPCs with similar speeds as you, this might allow you to KO them before they get to attack.
5. After the 1st turn, what will the NPCs target next + what joint/npc you will target.
From 5, this means that if you cannot KO the leader bot in 1 turn, you must delay at this screen
To make sure
1. You hit the leader's head.
2. On your next turn, the leader is the one targeted, and not the other 2 bots.
3. On your next turn, the leader's head is the one targeted, and not the other 3 limbs.
4. On the NPC's next turn, they don't aim for your head, or any limb that will be destroyed due to low health.
To assist in this, here's the input display
Download medarot data.lua
memory.usememorydomain("CartRAM")
local start = 0x3520
local end_ = 0x371E
local start_id = 0x80
local end_id = 0xBF
for i = start, end_, 2 do
memory.write_s8(i,start_id+((i-start)/2)%64)
memory.write_s8(i+1,2)
end
This script gives all parts, for easier testing. It works on both 1.0 and 1.1, including english patch.
No Random Encounters
At the main menu, go to the configuration menu, then press Select 5 times, Up, Down, Left, Right, Start. You will no longer have random encounters during gameplay.
Is this allowed in a run? Or does this count as a password?
I enjoy the write up for the payload. On consoles like SNES, it usually is jump to 4P controllers to create a payload. Since that's not possible on gameboy, it is fascinating to read how payloads are made. Nice work!
If this gets published, all I'm thinking of is, how many similar flash games like this are there, and can we have a site event where we just completely flood the submission queue with them? I don't think 2 submissions of a single game can properly stress test the system. Maybe for next April Fools everyone submits a run of games similar to this, all at once, to see if the staff can handle it?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352025773537755137/1101475665359945808/HPSS_Card.tasproj
I checked the timing for the lightning bug using default combos.
Gulliver Pokeby's deck is the fastest so far.
The following combos do not flicker the screen:
Sickle Seek
Snitch Streak
The following combos causes flicker:
Deflect
Poison Immunity
Summon Umbrella
Conjure Snack
Drone
Tempest
I made 2 bots equip the Mermaid medal at the same time.
Sprite glitch:
At the start of the game, right after the intro, there's a 1 frame window you could move, but the game doesn't update your sprite:
Encounter reset on save:
This is way to slow to use, but the step count for encounters don't get saved on saving. At 47 steps, you are guaranteed to have a robattle the next time you move. A way to avoid this is simply save and reset. This makes the encounter address 0xC761 reset back to 0.
Here you can press A to view your parts, or press Start to begin.
Once you press Start, the following addresses in CartWRAM are updated:
0x2433 - Which joint you will target when you press UP
? - Which NPC of the 3 you will target, when you press UP
0x2437 - Which joint you will target when you press RIGHT
? - Which NPC of the 3 you will target, when you press RIGHT
0x243B - Which joint you will target when you press LEFT
? - Which NPC of the 3 you will target, when you press LEFT
The values are:
0 - Head
1 - Right Arm
2 - Left Arm
3 - Legs
On the very first turn, once you selected a joint and pressed A, the npc's will have their target (you, or the other 2 bots you can have) as well as the joint determined.
You will also get this screen
This screen only appears on the first turn. You can take advantage of this screen by delaying frames to manipulate the following:
1. If you or the npc has the head as target, right before the actual attack animation, there's a 2nd roll to see if you/the npc uses a different limb to defend the head. If so, the new joint will be the target rather than the head. This is very bad, and is usually the reason why delays are long. However, if the NPC is targeting your head, this can be very helpful, since it allows more choices of frames to choose from.
2. If the attack misses. This usually doesn't happen, but later on NPCs have high evasive, so it starts becoming a problem
3. If the attack misses, and you used a missile, does the blast still hit?
From english patch:
This is what the Japanese WIP manipulates to occur. If you used the default missile (UP), even if it misses, there's a chance the attack still hits.
4. How fast you and the npc run to the center of the stage to attack. For NPCs with similar speeds as you, this might allow you to KO them before they get to attack.
5. After the 1st turn, what will the NPCs target next + what joint/npc you will target.
From 5, this means that if you cannot KO the leader bot in 1 turn, you must delay at this screen