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Wow, conversation died quickly on this submission. From what I've read, there's a lot of time spent watching the door transition, so I could use some more input before I get to watching this myself. Does the extra amount of transitions make the entertainment and enjoyment go down more than, say, Super Metroid? Gimme some feedback...
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Warp, I've always said that I put more value in the comments that people write, as opposed to the actual votes in the poll. However, for runs of obscure games, a submission can stay in the queue for 3 or 4 months and only garner two or three comments. Voting has a place, but user provided feedback has much more value.
I also have accepted several movies that I found boring as hell, but that other people liked. If I were doing my job for my own personal "favorites" page, I would probably never accept any japanese NES games. You have to get over the fact that things can't be perfect, and that we're all human. If you don't like a decision, that's fine, but you said more than enough in the NSMB thread, and were answered completely. If those answers failed to meet your standards, then that sucks. But life goes on. Get over it.
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IST, if you actually recognized the vast amount of personal time, energy, and support that adelikat has contributed to this site, then you would realize how quickly much of the progress on this site would come to a screeching halt if he were to leave. With Bisqwit phasing out his involvement, adelikat has been the only one to show the initiative to take over the less glamorous tasks of the site. Calling for a ban is both ridiculous and ignorant.
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Warp wrote:
At least Bisqwit (as far as I remember) has never pushed his own submissions through, disrespecting public opinion and making a farce of the whole voting system. And he has been in the exact same situation: He made the first DOS TAS ever submitted to this site. However, he respected public opinion and rejected his own submission.
He probably should have published his own DOS TAS, to further promote it as a viable option. You may have noticed that there hasn't been another attempt to submit a DOS TAS since, despite the tools being available.
And if any of you actually think that a mario game (that isn't Mario Teaches Typing) wouldn't see the front page at some point in time, you're delusional, and probably slightly retarded.
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Thanks for all you've done Shiny, I for one appreciate everything you've done to help maintain things around here.
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Impossible to please everyone, it seems.
Ask for rigorous personal testing and proofing, fail.
Entrust a co-admin's assertion that the requirements are met, fail.*
To adelikat I said, that considering that I'm withdrawing from the site, I will now "err on the side of trust". I don't think that I had any better options. I stand by this PoV.
*) The list couldgo on.
Internet forums are like that. I also stand by your point of view, for what it's worth.
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Warp wrote:
what happens if later someone discovers a different glitch which achieves basically the same thing? Should it obsolete the "no-BLJ" movie? Should it be published in its own category? Should it be rejected? It's a can of worms, really.
The best we can hope to do is make the most educated and well thought out decision with the information that we currently have available. There will always be "what ifs", and those who allow themselves to be paralyzed by the threat of what the future might hold will forever be two or three steps behind those who are willing to take risks.
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I very much hope that you provide some further explanations for the glitches that you use, inichi, so that us mere mortals can hope to understand just a little of what is going on. In any case, this is an incredible movie you've made. There isn't even a word to describe how broken this game is now.
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There's nothing stopping you from submitting a new version. If you already knew you were working on a faster one, you always have the option to cancel your submission before it was judged.
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I continue to get a desync at the start of stage 4, despite having the same .iso. So far there hasn't been very much interest in this submission, possibly due to playback difficulties, or possibly due to content. I'll let it go for another week. An encode would be help judging and help to gather some more feedback, which this submission sorely needs.
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Xkeeper wrote:
If it wasn't for the authors, that movie would not have been published.
So that still leaves 9 more movies that made it, despite having other authors. And when was the last time you can remember that a movie which clearly aimed for entertainment over speed was rejected? The lack of "entertainment only" runs is not the fault of the judges or the site, it is the fault of the audience, most of which choose not to make those types of runs. Considering that you are part of that audience, you should start blaming yourself too.
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Xkeeper wrote:
That 1% would be this, of course.
And even then, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't by adelikat and JXQ, it wouldn't have made it.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ, nothing makes you happy, does it? You bitch about how all movies are focused on speed, then ridicule one of the movies that doesn't aim for speed, just because of the authors. If nothing about the site manages to make you happy, then why do you continue to stick around? (that was rhetorical, I really don't want to know)
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It isn't software to change your ROM, it is software to catalog which ROMs you have. You're on your own to figure out ways to increase your collection.
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adelikat wrote:
I think changing back to the yes/no system was a good move.
While I still think it's a very flawed system (A no, weak no, meh, weak yes, yes type system would probably be best), I agree with the decision. It was pretty clear that my proposed plan looked good on paper, but failed pretty miserably when actually applied.
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Well I attempted to watch this, and got an instant desync without tinkering with pcsx 0.0.8. Then I attempted to mimic the plug-in settings that Ferret linked to in his submission, and now pcsx won't even load the .iso correctly. So, I'm going to try to watch the .mp4 encode graciously provided earlier, and hopefully make a decision on this. I hate to judge a submission without actually verifying the movie file, but since pscx seems to suck a hundred times worse than Mupen, I suppose I'll have to. If anyone has any pointers on how convince pscx to do what I want it to, I'll try again with the movie file.
EDIT: "Error -2002: a bad public movie atom was found in the movie (Punky_Skunk_Ferret_Warlord.mp4). Looks like I can't watch this afterall. Sorry Ferret, but it looks like this might not get judged any time soon.
EDIT2: Through some sort of miracle, it now works. Judgment to come shortly.
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I'm glad to see you're still as light-hearted as always, Alden. I'm not even going to pretend that I'll watch this, but it sure makes for a unique submission :)
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Enhasa wrote:
mz wrote:
Elitist judging system that motivate people to keep TASing the same 5 or so games over and over again (Zelda, Sonic, Mario, Megaman, Metroid, etc.). No one wants to waste months of his life just to see his work rejected only because the judge in turn has never played your game before and he doesn't find it entertaining.
mmbossman, if you don't take mz seriously like you say, I'll let you know that other people do agree with this quote. I'm not going to blame the judges though, just the system. You're all doing about as good of a job as can be expected, given the environment of this site, but I just think the job description itself is misguided. Also if you want to replace "judges" above with "voters," that would be more accurate with what I feel.
Having played the game in question should not usually come into the equation. A fun game to play may not make the most entertaining video to watch, just as an entertaining video to watch may not be from a fun game to play. Having played the game before may add to a viewers opinion of the run, but that should not be seen as a requirement to have an opinion on the entertainment value of the run.
I understand that several people may not agree with me about the mission of this site (in that we exist to provide entertaining movies, not to provide a database of how fast each and every game ever can be beaten). One particular proponent of this idea is Alden, and we have had several good and constructive conversations regarding it and from those, I believe we have learned to agree to disagree. I'll continue to judge based on both the entertainment value of the movie, along with the technical merit displayed, as I have been doing for the past 6 months. If you would prefer to disagree with that, please PM me, and we can get into a thriving philosophical discussion about it.
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arukAdo wrote:
I just hope judges can do their job faster on PSX games like they do for NES ones (comparing workbench to newest publication on movie page is very revelant on psx games doesnt get judged at all)
You're mistaking the job of judges with the job of publishers. Judges, the people who have already accepted those 3 PSX runs that are on the workbench right now, simply give the go-ahead for a specific movie to be added to the front page. Publishers, of which there seem to be a lack of other than Shinydoofy, are the ones who actually encode the runs and publish them.
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mz wrote:
-Elitist judging system that motivate people to keep TASing the same 5 or so games over and over again (Zelda, Sonic, Mario, Megaman, Metroid, etc.). No one wants to waste months of his life just to see his work rejected only because the judge in turn has never played your game before and he doesn't find it entertaining. And let's not talk about waiting 65 months to see a run accepted, when it should be much faster if we didn't have this stupid elitist system with just a couple of judges.
Since I've been away, busy with real life issues, I managed to miss this gem, and felt I should address it, if for no other reason than for my own catharsis.
Firstly, step off your soapbox, mz. I personally have accepted many runs which I found to be utterly boring, but those runs happened to have good feedback from the people who chose to voice their opinion. Personal bias does play a role sometimes, but it's usually only an issue on borderline runs, or runs which don't follow the rules. And if you don't like the rules, that's fine. But mindless bitching doesn't make things better, it just breeds contempt.
Secondly, I understand that sarcasm and over-exaggeration is the language of the internet, but it also makes people take you less seriously. And I have a hard time taking anything you say seriously after you say that it takes literally over 5 years for a movie to get accepted. After I became a judge last August, I made it a point to make sure that very few runs stayed unjudged for more than 1 month. And until recently, when I've had other, more important things to worry about, I had kept up that goal.
You say you hate the site now, because of the old members, and their inability to change. Well, I hate people like you who only come to bash others while complaining about how no one takes their opinion seriously. So I guess we're even.
