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Arc wrote:
The tactic has been known for 20 years: Post #39167
The judge will have to reconsider whether it is actually an improvement and properly beats the game.
I will make sure to keep this in mind. Thanks.
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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My bad. I was looking at so many tabs of these Myst publications, that I got confused. I have corrected this.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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Excellent. I see the correlation in your text now. This satisfied my question.
This version of Myst was the one of the first games that I played on a 486 back then. It was a "cross-over" time, where some games were DOS, while others were Windows. Really good times. Really good game.
Thanks for your input.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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I'm trying to remember how some DOS games ran on machines back then. Wasn't some games unthrottled back then? I ask, because my comparison shows the WR to be faster than this...even though we are beating a previous publications. I suspect that we dealing with CPU speed differences. Take [5505] DOS King's Quest: Quest for the Crown by DrD2k9 in 00:14.29 for instance...I think 20 Mhz was used, where slower speed would have been easier for a human to play.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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We have a rule about starting from a "Savestate":
Always record new movies from power-on or SaveRAM. Starting from an emulator savestate is normally not allowed.Starting from a savestate is only allowed in special circumstances, and also requires a form of verification.
Without any valid reason for starting from a "save state", there is no chance of this submission being accepted. So far, we have no context on how this was managed, plus...we have no verification movie file to prove the starting state of this TAS.
Do you have anything to provide that will help out?
Additionally, this submission will be judged according to our "Alternative" classification rules. At this point, there doesn't seem to be enough positive response to warrant an acceptance either. Current voting shows you have 9 "Nos" and 1 "Yes"...which isn't helping.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I love seeing runs that are too cumbersome to TAS, being destroyed like this by a BOT. Way to go Winslinator!
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I have confirmed the optimization of the solution, but I cannot get this submission set up. So I have not been able to confirm a sync.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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First question...what category is this?
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Alyosha wrote:
Nice it's submitted!
I think the current result is good though, I will work to console verify.
Link to video
This sounds like the existing bk2 is a go. I'm going to go ahead an finalize this submission.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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CUI wrote:
Please remove me from the author list. I don't want to be involved in these matters and won't allow others to submit the articles on my behalf in the future. Sorry to trouble the judges.
Now that I'm at home, and not on a phone, I can sit and type up something a little more meaningful.
I understand your concerns and you are not troubling us at all. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Please remove me from the author list. I don't want to be involved in these matters and won't allow others to submit the articles on my behalf in the future. Sorry to trouble the judges, I've caused you trouble.
Ok. Thanks.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Bigbass wrote:
In the future, if you wish to post an improvement to an existing submission, please do not cancel and resubmit. Instead, upload the improvement to a userfile, then ask a judge (either in the forum or on Discord) to update the submission's movie, and include a link to the new userfile.
Additionally, I noticed that you removed nightingale from the author list for #9811: longbao's NES Rockman Claw in 19:10.26. Why did you do this, and did this person contribute at all to this new version of the TAS?
This is a valid question and will require answering. I'm setting this to "Needs More Info", until you do so.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I've been thinking about this submission for a while, and wondering the differences, when compared to the WR. They both seem to do pretty much the same thing, except you are blowing it away; however, the length is so long that I can't find what I'm looking for. Is the WR speedrun sort of a "any%", even though it says "Good Ending"?
So I'm currently trying to find what makes this 100% over the WR. Any thoughts would be welcome...as it would help me to finalize my judgement.
https://www.speedrun.com/planet_dob/runs/z5ee4xdz
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I've been going through your movie for a few days and I must have some local problems here. When it comes time for the second disc, I get errors that crashes the emulator. I'm going to have to experiment with some things to see if I can get past it.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Just letting you know that I'm not neglecting this submission. There are a few things that I just need to think about. Nothing to worry about.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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ninespaces wrote:
That's not bad news at all, thanks very much for letting me know! I've updated the TAS. Some parts synced back up OK, but the lag frames really threw things off in other places. It's still largely identical in terms of the platforming though.
User movie #638866786192802210
Thanks. I've uploaded the new file and will continuing analyzing your run. Should be this weekend, before I finalize it.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but everybody is focused on the game play itself. Yes, it is fast...but there are serious menuing issues here. I have held onto this submission for a few days to test out some things. So far, at the start of game play, I am 879 frames ahead of this submission. In addition, these same errors occur throughout the game where menuing exists.
ninespaces...I have performed a sync test, and they are not carrying through. I want to extend an opportunity for you to clean this up. How long do you think it will take to resync upon fixing these issues.
Here is an improvement file to see what I have done to accomplish faster menuing.
User movie #638865886986995856
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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jeff_town wrote:
also what was the author thinking with a random color change after each tank? ugh.
Yeah...I always laugh at things like that. It seems that they want to throw every trick they know, to show what kind of programmer they are.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I wanted to post and inform you that I'm getting close to making a decision. This situation is different than a past one that I was involved with, so I think I've finally figured out what I need to do.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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jeff_town wrote:
I was curious why the final score of 1048 was reached, or 1010 before bonus. It turns out that the score used for rank calculation is BEFORE the addition of bonus, and the actual condition to attain "** MARSHAL **" rank is SC > 1001.
I think maybe the BONUS is approximately the non-lag-frame count divided by 20 (a number has .5 added each time through the main control loop, and then it's divided by 10 & rounded down to give the bonus number) so there's no way here to improve BONUS without compromising on last input frame.
I was a bit confused as well. When I first reached 1000, I thought I had it. It ended up being 1010 that was needed to get that rank. Oh well...
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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Here is a comparison video of my manual effort, verse a BOTed version.
Link to video
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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DrD2k9 wrote:
nymx wrote:
I dont know why, but i'm unable to get the "goal" to show up in the title.
FYI...this is a maximum score run
The run was cataloged under the "baseline" goal. I added a "maximum score" goal and updated the catalog for the run. It now shows correctly.
Ah...that explains it. Thanks.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
----
BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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I dont know why, but i'm unable to get the "goal" to show up in the title.
FYI...this is a maximum score run
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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InputEvelution wrote:
Undercooked didn't know that Super Picross supported 2-player when they made the TAS, and upon learning it did, cancelled the submission. However, having learnt that 1-player would be acceptable as well, they eventually uncancelled.
Ok...thank you.
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
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TASVideosGrue wrote:
om, nom, nom... blech, bitter!
I'm sorry...I wasn't around when this happened. What was this all about?
I recently discovered that if you haven't reached a level of frustration with TASing any game, then you haven't done your due diligence.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
----
Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BOTing will be the end of all games. --NYMX
