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Posted: 6/2/2005 4:09 AM
Post subject: EarthBound Zero
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Kitsune
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I don't recall seeing this game in the Topics, so I thought I'd bring it up. I'd love to see a Time Attack for this beautiful Game, the Predecessor for EarthBound. I've never gotten all the way through it myself. I have played it though, and it's really quite fun.
Posted: 6/2/2005 11:08 PM
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i played through this one and have a savestate near the end for nesticle if anyone wants it.
Posted: 6/3/2005 6:40 AM
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i believe this game was called mother. and i would love to see a speedrun on it^^.
Posted: 6/3/2005 6:44 AM
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Mmm... This site typically doesn't allow unreleased games, and from what I've heard, the Japanese version doesn't have the fast animation button, so it might get pretty boring. However, I also heard that the Game Boy Advance port is based on the unreleased version (just in Japanese), though I should probably play it myself before declaring anything.
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Posted: 8/3/2005 8:43 PM
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I'll be happy if someone decides to do a run for this game, hehe. Plus I can't do it, cause I can't read Japanese. ;/ Just thought I'd keep this thread up, ya know, just in case someone was thinking of it. :3 I did start it after all..
Posted: 8/6/2005 10:02 PM
Post subject: Running through
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Ha, I am at home for summer vacation and just played through this game again. I was looking at what going through quickly would entail. Here are random thoughts about the game: It would be annoying to watch all of the walking around with showing the menu every few steps to avoid battles, not to mention manipulating luck so there would be many steps between when you would need the menu. You would almost definitely need a tool to show the state of the PRNG. This would also be needed to get the most of the important stats each time. For battles, I think that you only really need to fight Starman Jr. in the Zoo, the dog in front of the factory, the sleeping dragon, and Gigyas. I don't know if it is possible to beat Gigyas without Lifeup Pi and Psi-shield. If so, you would need to get Paula and get her into battle and have her learn the spells. Also, it would be good to have her for the final battle to do sing, but she is a out of the way. I don't know if getting Punk is required. Hopefully if you just keep Jeff, you can skip all of those sequences. Also, the tank in the desert part is optional, right? I haven't tried that either. For reference, the singing cactus is right above the A in STATION on the map. Getting the teleport spell should be useful because then you can run around quickly without encoutering monsters. You just have to run into a wall to stop. This can use quite a bit of magic, which you aren't likely to have a lot of in this situation. Also, I don't know if you would be strong enough to beat The Fish when you first encounter him. You might need to do something like teleport by running in a circle (like Teleport Beta) and going to the cave) to get back to Magicant after getting song piece 8 instead of using the Onyx Hook. Maybe The Fish could be manipulated, or maybe with fighting Starman Jr. you would be strong enough? I like how holding down B speeds up all animations. Most of the leveling up would probably be with the robot that gives you song piece 7, since you wouldn't have to do the actual fighting. You would need to level to have enough magic points, hit points, and spells for the final battle. I don't know how the learning spells actually works. It seems like they were learned mostly after leveling up, which suggests that they become available once you reach the level. If that is not true, you should be able to manipulate them to be learned right from the beginning. Also, I wonder if they are always learned in the same order. This should be investigated before starting a run. If anyone knows any of these details, I would be interested to know. I would like to see a run of this game (in English), but it might be monotonous.
Posted: 8/7/2005 6:32 AM
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Well, you need to be pretty leveled up in order to wake up the dragon, right? And you probably want to have a lot of strength and spells for Giegue, too. I imagine you could fight a bunch of strong monsters for quick experience if you can manipulate them to never attack and get lots of good attacks on them. Hey, I just tried the Game Boy Advance version, and one big difference is that you don't move in squares anymore. You go a pixel at a time, just like in the sequel.
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Posted: 8/7/2005 8:52 AM
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Will the GBA Version be coming out in English soon? I'll probably want to get it. ;3 I know it would take a lot of work to beat any of the EarthBound Games, but in the long run, I feel they would be worth watching. ^^
Posted: 8/7/2005 11:09 AM
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Right, you need to be level 25 to wake the dragon. You don't really need strength for Giegue. I think just HP for all of the characters and PP for Paula to cast Lifeup Pi. The monster's don't really need manipulated if you have the robot with you since he does 800-1000 damage. You could manipulate it to only encouter single monsters so it is an instant victory. (Or a monster and the other monsters don't attack until you are strong enough, for example a darling smile.) You would probably fight the dragon after you get the 8th part of the melody to have a sufficiently high level, then go talk to Queen Mary. For the rules about released ROMs, I guess it would make sense to use the GBA version, but I am not familiar with it. I've only played the NES version. I love the attacks in this game. >Hippy USEs bullhorn! >Hippy says your mother is calling you. >You believe him.
Posted: 8/7/2005 11:31 PM
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Will the GBA Version be coming out in English soon? Or has it already?
Posted: 8/8/2005 2:59 AM
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I don't think it will.
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Posted: 8/8/2005 4:13 AM
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Well, that sucks! They make good games, and then don't port them to English Consoles! ><
Posted: 8/8/2005 4:57 AM
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Bag of Magic Food wrote:
Mmm... This site typically doesn't allow unreleased games,
The thing with Mother is, it's an official English translation. The game was totally translated into English and slated for release by the publishers, but then they changed their minds and didn't release it. The ROM that can be found on the Internet is of that official translation. Someone got their hands on a copy and dumped it. So it may be unreleased, but it's not a fan translation or a patch. I would think that it would be okay under the site rules, but ultimately that's up to Bisqwit.
Posted: 8/8/2005 5:35 AM
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Yeah, Nintendo came up with some dumb excuse like, "Well this doesn't fit into this season's line-up!"
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Posted: 8/9/2005 9:01 AM
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I have the English translation of the NES Version. I do hope it would be okay with Bisqwit-Chan, cause even though it wasn't released in the US, it does exist.
Posted: 8/28/2005 10:38 PM
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This would be really complicated to plan and execute, but it would be soo worth it. Sorry, not a very useful post, I know. =/
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Posted: 12/19/2006 2:15 AM
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Let's see a run for this to compliment the one for Earthbound (preferably in English)! After all, it's not every day an RPG is set in modern times.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 5:15 AM
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There is currently an English translation Patch in the works for te GBA Version of the game. The GBA Version has new features compared to the NES Version. Only problem is, the GBA Patch has been put on hold at 77%. But I believe Mother has been completely translated, except for maybe 1%, I'm not sure.
Posted: 12/20/2006 6:18 AM
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It would be nice if the GBA version was not used for this game.. the music quality has seriously dropped (and this is a game composed by Hip Tanaka so the music is awesome). Anyway the GBA version has nothing new compared to the English version, only stuff new from a Japanese perspective.
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Posted: 12/20/2006 11:28 AM
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That and the ability to walk diagonally as in Earthbound SNES. I think it would be rather silly to restrict a run of this game simply because it wasn't released. It was a finished product it was just never published. What is the purpose in holding something back like this when this site doesn't distribute the roms? As long as the authentic rom is used (not a fan translation), I don't see what the issue could be.
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Posted: 12/22/2006 5:47 AM
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I would rather have a TAS of this made that I can ACTUALLY READ! Not like I can learn to read Japanese by just sitting here staring at a bunch of Speed Runs. I doubt my brain has the capacity for learning a new language anyhow. The Translation Patch I have seen I believe, is a true translation of the game for the GBA Version. Or at least use the English Patced ROM for the NES Version. Not like there is really any difference aside from the languages.
Posted: 12/22/2006 6:32 AM
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The NES rom isn't patched, it was translated by nintendo, just never published.
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Posted: 12/22/2006 10:20 AM
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Then it should be allowed. I want to know what's going on in an RPG TAS most of the time! :3 Time for me to get back in bed. Just got up to see if any replied on this thread. ;3
Posted: 12/22/2006 12:32 PM
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Posted: 12/22/2006 1:15 PM
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