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I found this run to be rather uninteresting. Fighter games like this usually don't make good TASes. The street fighter series is the only one to get onto this site (mostly due to popularity).
This game seems to have a limited amount of moves which made it repetitive. You (obviously) beat each opponent into oblivion which isn't an impressive apsect since it is a TAS (these types of thing are expected). Beyond that it doesn't offer anything particularly interesting. The characters were amusing but that isn't enough to make this game publishable.
Voting No.
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Voting No for the reasons already stated
Due to being a slow paced auto-scroller this game isn't suitable for TASing. In addition the run has a lot of places for improvent. Not getting money & bonuses alone could shave a minute off the in-between level animations.
The spinning was cool in the boss fight with the giant baseball. Everywhere else it got old fast. Use things like that sparingly.
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Are you planning to finish this run, and do you plan to cancel the current submitted run?
I've watched the submitted one, and I highly question the decision to do minigames/secret levels or whatever. This game is a bit too repetitive. Keeping it short is the key.
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Good job. This game is pretty fast paced and interesting to watch. I agree the "plant the bomb" levels are a bit repetitive but not enough to take away from the run.
Yes vote.
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Diman wrote:
I think its really sad that people voting "no"
because the game is bad.
That is a perfectly valid reason for voting no. Like the Guidelines say to pick an interesting game. Not all games will be represented; only the ones that are deemed entertaining. Showing the fastest completion of all video games is NOT the aim of this site.
Two good examples for this is, Phil's NES Donkey Kong in 01:18
and, Ferret Warlord's NES Donkey Kong Jr. in 01:13. They both play their
games fantastic but is their choices of games good? Personally, I watch
their movies cause the gameplay and not for their games.
Just because a game has poor graphics or is very primitive in gameplay doesn't make it a bad game. The Donkey Kong games do offer something interesting in aspects such as luck manipulation. At least there is some interesting strategy involved that makes the TAS unexpected and/or novel. These are the qualities make games publishable.
Popeye doesn't offer these elements. It can't even aim for a fastest completion. It is just a 3 minute playaround of a rather dull game. Playing with death and showing off cool stuff HELP make a TAS better, but they aren't enough to stand alone as the sole value of the run. There needs to be SOMETHING else involved.
Voting No. It seems like you put some effort into this game but I think this game is a lost cause. Unfortunately I don't think anything can be done to showoff something interesting in this game.
I know putting hard work into something only to be rejected must be tough. I am sorry for this. Honestly, I think your insistance of TASing this game is due to your lack of confidence in making a good TAS of a more difficult game. This is unfortunate. You have submitted many TASes to this site and this point, I believe you are capable of attempting more difficult (and interesting) games. Rather than focusing on quantity, focus on quality. This game takes little time to TAS since there is no aiming for fastest time or difficult stunts. This is a lazy reason for picking a game, and it will invetibably show in your work.
Plan on a run taking many months to perfect. Typically, a run that can be made in an hour or two will not look very impressive (unless the game is unusually short, such as Monopoly). Pick a game that challenges you to explore and learn new tricks and pushes your own ablities to the limit. It will be hard work, but you will no doubt be far more proud of what you have accomplished.
Since this run was submitted, I have seen you post wip's in the forum. This is good, and will allow you to get an idea of what games are good choices. Thus, all I have to say is good luck on your future TASes :)
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Truncated wrote:
This seemed to be very well planned and executed. Unfortunately I think the result is still less than not very funny to watch... I didn't find the other levels except for the warehouse very interesting either.
Agreed.
Level 4 is quite boring, but I wasn't really entertained by the previous levels either. It looks like to did your homework on the game and there seems no doubt that the TAS quality is high. However, I personally don't feel like it is a good game choice.
Voting No.
BTW, I really liked how you "grooved" to the music while skating. It showed some serious style ;)
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Guybrush wrote:
Frisbee was most enjoyable event in this run because it didn't repeat same things after 10 seconds. Voting no.
Indeed. I found this run boring. I think the events with a timer made it worse because I could see how long I would have to sit through it. There isn't near enough variety in this game to make an interesting run.
Voting No.
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I will not accept this movie. I would rather see a 2-player run. Accepting this run will inevitably lead to 2 movies being published (or at least some controversy). Easpicially if the 2-player run were not made by Tailz. This is an entertaining game and would be a different categoy than a 2-player so there would be good reason to have both. I don't want to see that.
On the other hand, I will not reject this run. I did vote no, but because of the 1-player/2-player issue and the that it could be more optimized. While improvable, it is entertaining and meet the standards of a publishable run (though barely. A more optimized run would easily be publishable though).
I guess this run will have be decided upon by another judge.
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Well, I have watched it 3 more times. Its biggest advantage is that it is short so I am not bored all that much.
Baxter makes an excellent point, this movie doesn't show much that a console performance wouldn't; just more precise. Therefore this movie really just shows how complete a game. While that is nice, it is typically not enough for publication.
The run itself is certainly good quality and seems on par with Randil's usual great work. Ufnortunately, I will be voting no though, sorry.
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There is only 1 other comparable tetris game published, NES tetris. In addition, the goals are different (fastest high score) so I don't think there is a conflict with publishing this run. It was impressive, short, and entertaining.
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Pro:
In many games a person has no idea what is going on unless they have played the game before. At least a first time viewer is able to follow this game with little difficulty. This makes is more accessible & entertaining.
Con:
Like Guybrush mentioned, it gets old fast. The game held my interest for about 10 min. It makes me wonder about your goals. Should you be unlocking the bonus levels? Maybe a fastest possible completion should be done instead.
Of course, I am not sure which ones were the bonus levels. The ones I think were bonus levels were quite different from the regular levels. Taking them away may only increase the repetitiveness of the game.
I dunno. I am not sure I think about this run or how to vote.
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Tailz wrote:
Maybe, maybe not. We have a 1 player and 2 player Battletoads run right? Can we do the same with this.
In cases where there is a 1-player & a 2-player runs, both have unique aspects that aren't present in the other. I can't think of anything a 1-player cabal run would have that a 2-player wouldn't.
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Diman, I watched your wip but I doesn't see much difference between it and your previous submission.
My only advice is to watch the wip I have posted earlier in this forum.
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However, it's still entertaining and should be published, in my opinion.
Even if it is noticeably improvable? For me, entertainment suffers in the face of noticeable flaws. While this run was entertaining, I was dissappointing because I see so much more potential in this game.
Also, if this run were published and then a 2-player run was made, would it obsolete this run?
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I don't think I agree with the premise that a beating a difficult game makes a good TAS. It is exepected that a difficult game can be easily beaten using tools. Seeing such a game beaten makes for an interesting CONSOLE. For a TAS, the game has to be more than beaten. It needs to show something extraordinary.
As for this run, I am not sure. I was entertained a lot of the time, but often I was not. Ultimately, the thing that bugged me was how much you had to wait. I know that isn't your fault but it is disappointing that a perfect/near perfect run would have so much stopping & waiting.
I am not sure what to vote.
BTW, I found the lack of music strangely relaxing :)
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Phil wrote:
Imo, Renegade should have been replaced by Target Renegade.
Target Renegade owns Renegade :O
EDIT:
After watching this run, I found that I was bored.
Yes the game is crappy, but crappy games can make good TASes. How is this the case though? Most of the movie is you running from point A to point B and occassionaly walking through an enemy. The route planning is interesting but not interesting enough to carry the run. The crappiness of the game makes it difficult to control, which makes it impressive that you were able to perfect it, but I fail to see how that makes the movie interesting.
Is there something I am missing? What interesting elements of this game make it publishable?
I hope to get a little extra feeback before voting or deciding anything.
EDIT:
On a second watch, I think this game is not impressive on TAS standards. The game has little more to offer than running from point A to point B.
Voting No.
