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Technically, yes, it is indeed tool-assisted because you use an emulator to be able to play the game. But really, it doesn't count in the context of the word. You should call that an "emulated speedrun" or a "speedrun made with an emulator". But make sure to always explain that you did not use slow-downs or save states.
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I'd like to point out that you guys are not the spokespersons for TASVideos. Especially not if you're just going to immaturely flame someone for his copyright infringement. Next time, you should just leave it to Bisqwit to write a proper message to the infringing party.
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It seems that it's difficult to encode this game! I'll have a try at it myself, too.
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I've decided to vote yes after watching a portion of this run on my PC (there just aren't any good N64 emulators for the Intel Mac, I guess). So hurry up and encode this awesome game, I'd say! :)
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Can we get a summary? I don't like single-link topics. At least try to convince me that it's interesting.
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I'll be glad to read it for you. I've written a large chunk of the Speedrun article on Wikipedia, so I've had to revert wrongful information or POV before. I'll be sure to catch any that might have snuck into your article. You can post it here, PM it, or e-mail it to michiel AT thingmajig DOT org. EDIT: yes, I know that the neutrality of the tool-assistance section is disputed. I placed the tag there myself. I'm going to work on that section later.
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This is an absolutely astonishing movie. I love it. I haven't watched it all the way, but this is a definite yes vote.
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Maur wrote:
As such, I'll respond to "those people", but there are of course a lot of people who I am not talking to. I still think that it's a minority, however, but again, I'm just guessing when I say that.
Thank you, Omega. That's all I was asking.
Yeah, I'm sorry if you felt attacked for no reason. You people are the good guys, afterall, since you agree with almost exactly what I posted.
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LocalH wrote:
DK64_MASTER wrote:
Since SDA accepts videos recorded from a VCR, capture card, or DVD recroder, the color/frames are going to be different.
At least for NES games, that's not so certain. There is at least one NES emulator that actually emulates the composite signal, and I've done direct comparisons with captured NES video - it is almost impossible to tell which one is real and which one is emulated. I guarantee that you're going to start seeing emulated realtime NES runs showing up at some point.
I think you're referring to BMF's palette? It's very nice and indeed emulates the original colors really well. I'm not sure if it's fully accurate, but that doesn't really matter due to the loss of quality when recording a run on VHS.
LocalH wrote:
I think it's about time that emulators are legitimized for realtime runs as well - perhaps one might want a checksom of the ROM used for comparison to known-clean dumps.
I don't agree with that. It's too easy to make cheated speedruns with emulators.
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mikwuyma wrote:
Omega: I noticed you said something about Radix and his view towards TASes. Though Radix dislikes TAS, he spends all of his time working on SDA. He doesn't focus on trying to "fix" or destroy TASes, he is simply trying to run SDA. The last anti-TAS remark he made before that MTV news article was around 6 months ago. Just want you to know that Nate doesn't speak for Radix and vice versa.
That's true, and he has every right to not bother TAS movies at all. The complaint I'm making about him when I mention this, however, is the fact that his every mentioning of TAS movies seems to be with negative connotation. Even if he doesn't explicitly say that he doesn't like them, he always makes it seem like he does. It may be very unfair of me to (rebuttably) presume all of this, I'll admit that, but I really have never seen him say anything positive about TASs, not even about the fact effort has been exerted to try and educate people about what these videos are all about. However...
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It seems the topic on m2k2 has had some positive results: http://speeddemosarchive.com/TAS.html A few things are worded a little questionably, but I think it's a good start.
This is a very nice page. It's not as informative as I'd personally have liked, but it's a good and concise description of what these runs are about and why they're different from unassisted speedruns. It also does not call them "cheated" runs but instead mentions how they are only "cheating" if they're submitted as normal runs. I'd ask for links to both the speedrun and tool-assisted speedrun articles on Wikipedia, but I'll refrain from doing that for now since the former doesn't contain a contrasting explanation regarding tool-assisted speedruns yet, and the latter is very underdeveloped.
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We're not all out to get you, Omega. Whatever you may think about past conduct, and whatever you may think about nate, please realize that. :/
I know that, and I know that a lot of people are also very friendly about this subject and willing to accept different viewpoints. It's just unfortunate that people such as Nate tend to speak for a lot of people whenever they say something that I disagree with. As such, I'll respond to "those people", but there are of course a lot of people who I am not talking to. I still think that it's a minority, however, but again, I'm just guessing when I say that. There's still a lot of animosity towards the tool-assisted community, and I feel that unfair suggestions (such as renaming our runs to "cyborg runs" or "cheated runs") are the result of an improper way of thinking in the unassisted community. A lot of things that Nate and Radix say also seem to fit this description, which is why I addressed my long post to "the unassisted community" rather than what I believe is a minority that disagrees with them. It's a shame that Nate is simply not willing to accept different viewpoints.
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I don't mind people occasionally using it, but sometimes I get really annoyed by people's writing styles. No offence to those who do so, but it really shouldn't be that difficult to not use overly witty acronyms, emoticons or chat humor all the time. [10:59] <Ijuki> nvm [11:03] <Ijuki> omg [11:03] <Ijuki> you are not stupid [11:03] <Ijuki> you are a clever Dan [11:03] <Ijuki> o.o [11:03] <Ijuki> Soul Link ep 9 -> [11:03] <Ijuki> later =D [11:04] <msikma> Ijuki talks in a massive stream of consciousness. [11:04] <Ijuki> who ? [11:04] <Ijuki> <--- ? [11:04] <msikma> No, Ijuki. [11:04] <Ijuki> well [11:04] <Ijuki> i did just got up from teh bed [11:08] * Ijuki casts sleep on pirate_sephiroth [11:08] <Ijuki> SLEEP ! [11:08] <pirate_sephiroth> oh [11:08] <Ijuki> :'(
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No unassisted speedrunner has responded to my post yet. I wonder what they will say when they do. They can't possibly disagree with the fact that speedrunners just want to get people to watch their runs rather than ours for the sake of their renown. (Don't even get me started on the whole "we must protect the people" argument that says people need to be protected from the confusion that may arise from thinking tool-assisted speedruns were recorded in real time. That only and exclusively leads to the reason I mentioned.) I also wonder if any speedrunner will ever thank Bisqwit for making efforts to put ugly stamps on his videos to prove that they aren't unassisted runs.
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I have a lot of respect for both the Speed Demos Archive and the Metroid2002 communities, but its members need to realize that they are currently in no position to make suggestions for the tool-assisted community. Let me explain this. First of all, there's the fact that unassisted speedrun communities have always had members that have acted awful towards users of tool-assisted speedrun communities. This has been established time and again, and there are still occasionally comments on forums that are insulting to TAS community members. Unassisted communities have always made the best of efforts to try and separate the two, as have the tool-assisted run communities. Both for the same reason: to protect the fame of the unassisted runs. In the old days, this was also done by TAS communities because its leaders were former speedrunners or otherwise very closely related to unassisted speedrun communities (I'm referring to Yonatan Donner, of course). But these days, this is different. Bisqwit makes every attempt to separate our movies from the rest, going as far as putting stamps on every single movie released on this site, but not necessarily for the reason of protecting unassisted runs. Bisqwit just wants to make sure that people realize how these movies were made rather than pointing a finger at a different community and saying "Look, those guys can do it without save states and slowdowns. Go there if you want to see real skill." People from the unassisted communities seem to feel like they do not get enough honors for their work. Since, afterall, what if one might see a tool-assisted speedrun and think it's real? For that reason, the unassisted community seems to want to bizarrely drop all ties to tool-assisted communities and refer to them as "those guys who cheat". Which brings me to point two: there's no doubt about the fact that tool-assisted speedrunners do not "cheat". Unassisted community members should cease bringing it up. There is no argument for that claim's validity. Cheating only occurs when someone uses tools to assist his speedrun which is to be submitted to SDA to compare with the currently existing records. Cheating does not occur when a tool-assisted speedrun movie is made for this site. Still the unassisted communities feel that it would be appropriate to mention that tool-assisted runners are "cheaters". This, by the above reasoning, would imply that they are people who submit these movies with the intent of having them be comparable to the unassisted records! Of course, this is far from true. So why do members from the unassisted community want the tool-assisted runners to label their runs as "cheated runs"? Why add this negative connotation which so many people would disprove of? The answer is that because when someone who does not know anything about speedrunning would watch the movie and exclaim: "Hey, that guy is cheating! That's not cool. I'm going to watch the fair and square run instead." The request for tool-assisted speedrunners to (inaccurately) label their movies as "cheated runs" is nothing but a means of the unassisted runners to, as stated, gain more fame for their work while tool-assisted speedrunners are cast aside and ignored. As for point three: even though this is all relatively common knowledge, tool-assisted speedrunners have always remained relatively sober. Although when the request was made to rename these runs to "cyborg runs", the only reaction from the tool-assisted community was disbelief and anger, there have still been made efforts to help people discern unassisted speedruns from the tool-assisted ones. As said, all movies on this site have a visible stamp at the beginning that states how it was made using "tools" and that one may read more on the website. On the website itself, there are plenty of references to the "Why and How" page, both at the top of the front page as well as in some movie descriptions. And yet, the unassisted community keeps coming back for more, with increasingly unwanted requests. The unassisted community has done a lousy job of giving even the most basic of credit to tool-assisted runners. In an article on MTV News titled "Gamers Divided Over Freakish Feats Achieved With Tool-Assisted Speed Runs", Nolan exclaimed: "My basic thought is 'don't like them, haven't made them, don't watch them,' " This type of cold attitude is seen as unwarranted and unreasonable by members of the tool-assisted community while apparently the leaders of the unassisted speedrun sites seem to disagree. Since they speak like this, one would wonder why they are still asking this community to do them favors; the only party that may benefit from the tool-assisted community exclaiming that their runs are "cheated" are the unassisted runners, since the people viewing the tool-assisted runs would now see a strong message that tells them there is "something wrong" with this movie for which he should reconsider watching it. And all in all, the only way the unassisted communities appear to be making a distinguishment between the two communities other than attempting to give their name a negative association, are a few lines of text in site documentation that states that "the runs on this site are not made with save states". Not one single time have I ever seen a document on a larger speedrun site that apologizes for the sometimes offensive and aggressive statements that unassisted speedrunners seem to make. Never have I seen one of the leaders of the unassisted communities speak about how even though the unassisted runners may disagree with what we do, there is not a need to go overboard in mentioning that this is so. I have also never seen any of the pages on both Speed Demos Archive or Metroid2002 give a good, clear and accurate description of tool-assisted speedruns, pointing to the site to let people know that there is also a subset of speedrunning in which things are done a little differently. All the references to tool-assisted speedrunning are negative. Perhaps arrogant. Perhaps disagreeable. Perhaps unaccurate. And yet, we are expected to change our ways to suit their needs. In a nutshell: the tool-assisted community currently sees no room to give in to unassisted communities even more by giving inaccurate labels to its movies, partially because this would cause incorrect statements to be made about our movies by ourselves (which would be contradictory with both our philosophy and all of our written documents), and partially because it feels like it is unjustly required to do all of the work to help people realize that these movies are different from unassisted movies. The people who are making these requests are to realize what they are asking us to do and think about whether it would be fair to us. This is not fair. It will not be fair until the unassisted community ceases to act as though we are stealing their prominence. This is what I feel. I'm sure that the majority of this community feels the same way. Please consider what I've said.
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Bisqwit wrote:
Swedishmartin wrote:
TAS should thus mean
That's unfortunately backronyming. Backronyming is not necessary here, because the acronym TAS was formed from the following words: tool-assisted speedrun. Please don't try to rewrite the history. I refer to: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=84162#84162
TAS is already a retronym, too. EDIT: wait, no it isn't. I got the 'nyms messed up. "Unassisted speedrun" is a retronym. :)
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Warp wrote:
JXQ wrote:
The same argument could be made for not changing the site's name from Nesvideos to TASvideos.
Personally I don't care if it's nesvideos or tasvideos. Nesvideos was more established, tasvideos is more accurate.
If this is the case, I personally would say that it's best to use whichever will give us more benefit in the long run. That would be TASVideos. Here's another petition: please make "TASVideos" the official name rather than "Tasvideos" or "TASvideos". Capitalization is cool.
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In the interest of antagonizing our dear, flailingly irrational pirate_sephiroth...
NESvideos looks better
No. It doesn't.
sounds better
Nothing inherent about the sound either!
and IS BETTER.
:-I Hmm. (generously over-reflective pause) No.
Besides that, everyone was used to it.
Not anymore!
What seems to be irritating
If you can't be sure, why self-flagellate over it?
A mere POLL could solve this problem.
There was, and is no problem. Glad I could clear all that up.
That's just what you think.
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That depends, moozooh. I wouldn't change that page. Like I said before, I believe that entertainment is indeed the ultimate goal, but that speed is simply the only real way to achieve it. Maybe speed should be mentioned more prominently on that page, however.
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I suggest that you also put the number of ratings after the number. This will give people the ability to judge whether they think this rating is trustworthy. I also suggest not putting the number in italic. It looks awkward that way since the rest of the sentence isn't.
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Warp wrote:
What is true is that we do not aim *only* to speed but *also* to entertainment. However, the latter is just a *secondary* objective.
This is a technicality, but isn't it so that entertainment is the primary goal while low completion times are the primary means of achieving this goal? Afterall, speed is very entertaining.
Zurreco wrote:
So you're saying that, if someone found a way to glitch SMB3 to go straight from startup to endgame sequence, it should obsolete the current run?
In this case, it would exist alongside the old run, of course.
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Warp wrote:
Omega wrote:
I do think, however, that it's a bad thing the name TASVideos doesn't exactly speak for itself. What is "TAS"? A lot of people don't know this. A lot of people do know what a "NES" is, though, and will get the idea that these are indeed probably videos of games being played, even if it turns out there's more than just NES videos.
Someone said this is a good point. I disagree. Does for example "youtube" tell to you "this is a site about funny videos" or does "google" tell you "this is an internet search engine"? A name does not have to be descriptive in order to be known. "TASvideos" is actually more descriptive than many of the most known sites.
That's true. There's a difference when you compare them to sites such as YouTube and Google, though. Ignoring their sizes for comparison purposes, the reasons why those names work very well is because of the way the sites are laid out. Even though you wouldn't think of those names as belonging to a video site and search engine, it becomes apparent after the first few seconds of looking at the sites. Maybe this site needs a little bit of a front page redesign to make its purpose and positioning stand out a bit more. Although I do still think that NESVideos is a bit more descriptive name than TASVideos (even if that description isn't entirely accurate, since we have more than just NES videos here), I do believe that a name such as TASVideos would work, as long as it's apparent after just taking a peek at the front page that this is a site about speedrunning.
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We are not a speedrunning site. We are also not a site on which you can have hot-tempered debates about hard drives. You say that we don't know our "storage ABC's", but you didn't even read what this site is all about before you made this topic. This topic can only go downhill from here, so I'm locking it.
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I think TASVideos is for the better. It doesn't look as nice as NESVideos when written, but at least it doesn't create confusion as to what kind of site this is. I do think, however, that it's a bad thing the name TASVideos doesn't exactly speak for itself. What is "TAS"? A lot of people don't know this. A lot of people do know what a "NES" is, though, and will get the idea that these are indeed probably videos of games being played, even if it turns out there's more than just NES videos.
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Well, the thing about Flash Man is that both Air Shooter and Item-2 are really useful in it. Air Shooter allows you to get past those first enemies a little faster, but its main usefulness lies in the fact that you don't have to get hit by that large robot early on. Item-2 is used to cross the gap in the last part of the level and for a little extra hop before entering the boss hallway. Also, it's okay to leave movies here. I edited the main post to say that (since why shouldn't it be okay?) Should have done that before. I'll add your run to the tables for now. :)
Post subject: Metal Man 1:31 --> 1:28 + Bubble Man, Metal Man Hard
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Updated Metal Man (1:31) to 1:28. Edited with correct boss name. Sorry, it's late... EDIT: two extra submissions from Bablo: http://www.soldatcentral.net/bablo/rusinat/Bablo-Bubbleman-easy.fcm - Bubble Man in 1:44 (easy) http://www.soldatcentral.net/bablo/rusinat/Bablo-Metalman-hard.fcm - Metal Man in 1:30 (hard) All are labelled "done".