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mega_man_3 wrote:
I lost a lot more frames than I thought!
This just means I'm going to go back and look for more glitches and strategies!
Don't go too crazy - it is a mega man game - the first level without all the specials is always going to be slower - he had magnet missile, you didn't.
You might make it up with your new route.
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A quick couple questions:
Who is 'we'? The original developers? (curiosity, mainly)
Also, as the emulator is still in progress, will it be possible to merge changes in the main branch with the rr branch? The compatibility list suggests that the emulation is still lacking in some fundamental issues, like opacity layers.
Also, are you overwhelmed yet? How many emulators can one man take on?
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Real quick - did you have to hit start on player 2 to make the game continue to the level 20 screen? If so, could it stay on longer, to show the glitch?
I may be in the minority, but it happened so fast, I couldn't tell what happened, the first watch.
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Are you guys co-authoring a run, or competing? I can't tell...
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Thanks for publishing, ShinyDoofy!
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Thanks for keeping the list, alden.
Perhaps you should switch your 3 suggestions to 'suggested by alden,' for clarity sake.
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I forgot I need to write my suggestions. Stupid Super Metroid Argument.
Madou Mandogari, by Afaq
Colorful and fun run, good luck manipulation that results in silly elephant-based attacks.
Outrun, by Weatherton
The run is just fine with the sound off. Maybe a lua scripter could find a way to encode the run without the constant braking noise. Outrun had some of the best video game lounge music ever, and I could never beat that damn game as a kid.
Tails in Sonic also gets my vote.
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5 and 6- If he didn't really cared about this un, why he fight so much for it's acceptance?
In response to #5
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As of obsoleting the 14%, I'm not sure whether this is a good decision (the any%'s are out of question anyway, being the most entertaining run forms of this game). This run is a heavily glitched NBMB one, which has a completely different category than the glitchless ones, to which the legit low% / 14% counts as well. One thing is for sure, the 14% (no matter whether Speed or Ice route) will show alot of new speed tricks and entertaining stuff no other run would allow you to present (I did alot of tests for this run some time ago), so if we erase it completely from our list here, the watchers won't have the pleasure to see this new and unique tricks. I think it would be best to give this run it's own "glitched" category, as it just can't be compared to any other run here. Just something to consider for the judges.
These don't seem like the words of someone fighting passionately to keep this category. In fact, he didn't really fight for it until it was his OWN category.
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Saturn via NesVideoAgent wrote:
Seeing that the 14% category got kind of obsoleted by the 6% NBMB one (although they can't really be compared to each other), I don't expect this to be published, despite the huge and ground breaking improvement.
I didn't say Saturn didn't care, I said he KNEW GOING INTO SUBMISSION. Don't change my argument suit your purposes.
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Here is a 3rd version - It's 4 minutes and 1 second faster... but its still not sub 2 hours, which was my goal before submitting a new version.
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1370306525/DarkKobold_Shining_Force_v3.gmv
So, I'm going to try again at some point to obsolete it with a sub 2-hour run. But, if I never finish, at least there is a close version out there. [/quote]
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OmegaWatcher wrote:
I want the bias against Saturn get down.
I'm really sick of seeing people talk about Saturn's movie getting rejected as being biased against him.
Lets look at the FACTS:
1. There was a 14% movie.
2. It was obsoleted by the 6% movie.
3. Neither of these movies had anything to do with Saturn.
4. There was only a minor amount of argument in the first 6% thread arguing for the saving of the 14% as a category.
5. Saturn himself, commented, and made it clear he wasn't vehemently opposed to it being obsoleted.
6. Saturn submitted a 14% movie, and EVEN MENTIONED IN THE SUBMISSION TEXT he knew that it had been obsoleted by the 6%, and had little to no chance of being accepted.
How do ANY of these facts coincide with a bias against Saturn?
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Warp wrote:
From the latest events it has become quite clear that the whole voting process of submissions has become a total farce.
Lets look at the FACTS of the latest events -
1. It is at 52% yes, for publication - forgetting history for the moment - that means that the judge made a decision WITH the MAJORITY of the populace. This is what you are CRYING didn't happen.
2. Now lets look at history - I don't see you, WARP, in the thread bitching, moaning, or complaining for poor Madou Mandogari. In fact, there are only 3 people in that thread saying ANYTHING positive about that run. So, where were you crawling up on the cross when the populace was ACTUALLY being ignored?
3. Where are these other runs that were rejected with massive yes votes? OoT? Not published for being slower than a speedrun. The "low% non-glitched except where it uses glitches" Super Metroid? Vague goals. The majority of 'Yes Voted' TASes were rejected for direct, measurable conflicts with the rules.
4. We have Judges. Not electorates. The designation has ALWAYS been that THEY make the choices, the users just 'vote' and comment. This is why the question, for the LONGEST time, was 'Did you enjoy watching this movie?'
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I remember seeing Morimorto's run on Ebaums or a similar video-type site, and then showing a bunch of people. Before the mass # of 1-ups in the World 8 levels, it seemed like a doable speedrun.
After the mass 1-ups, I thought "Dear God, some Japanese guy has NO LIFE WHATSOEVER."
I think finding out that it wasn't years of practice knowing exactly how to do that restored my faith in humanity ;)
(Since the internet has a way of destroying communication, this was meant as tongue-in-cheek)
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Kirkq wrote:
We also produce playaround videos here at times. Many of them do not get published because the criteria is vague. All good TASers should show off whenever possible if it does not cost time.
Where are these playaround videos that have been reject for vague criteria?
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Strangely, for being in Japanese, this game actually had a story that I was somewhat able to follow. The cute animations and characters are vibrant and active enough, that its easy to see that one of the game's "bad ass witches" spends most of the time chasing the hero around, trying to give him cooties!
Also, with lots of the attacks being silly elephants being thrown around, or really large elephants beating things up, its visually appealing. The actual dungeon crawling disappears fast enough, to keep the run from getting too boring.
Also, frame 41926 would make a great screenshot!
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mz wrote:
Then you have something like Madou Monogatari I (here and here) ....
Strangely, this is the only game I feel that was ever rejected that was good enough for TASvideos.
There is a really strong bias against Dungeon Crawlers by the current judges, but I did make a strong enough case to get some through :)
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Nightwatch wrote:
Save corruption is something that I suspect a lot of games are vulnerable to.
Unless the game is capable of saving in a single frame, which may be unfortunately often... Which sucks, because I love these save corruption runs.
Also, console vs. TAS save exploits will be enormously different - TASes can only reset consoles at the frame marker - a console can technically stop the code at ANY point during the save, opening tons of new possible exploits.
Unless, of course, the coders of the emulators allow for resetting the game at any point in code execution - but I doubt any coders would, seeing as the trade-off in time to implement versus the pay-off in TASes wouldn't be worth it.
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Warp wrote:
pilif wrote:
And in case you wonder what Bisqwit's code has to do on a daily WTF posting, this time it's about awesome and not bad code.
I'm not so sure it's so much about awesome code, but about abusing a language for something it was not really designed for, resulting in a rather contrived result.
Aww, Warp is sad that someone else got acknowledged for cool code.
Why is it that anytime anything about coding shows up, you act like a butthurt little baby?
How about "Congrats Bisqwit, thats cool you made the daily WTF!"
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Unfortunately, Puzzle Quest can't seem to find a save game - so it is out for the current version of desmuME
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Where is this at?
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Strangely, I can think of a few games where the main character is given the option of saying @#^% off, I'm not doing any more hero shenanigans.
Dragon Warrior, at the end of the game.
Cave Story, about 2/3rds of the way through.
Quest for Glory II: Trial by Fire, after completing the WIT trials.
Magic Sword, at the end, take the black orb.
I'm sure there are more that others will think of.
EDIT: Here is a massive list.
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The other video made sense.... it had glitches, and actually did something.
This game doesn't need a bad ending as well.
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Most of these games would be exceptionally boring if played for speed, to the point it would be basically x minutes of the exact same thing over and over.
And the majority of games would be exceptionally boring if played for anything but speed. TASvideos isn't theLet's Play forum....
You bring up the 16 star Mario Run. The goal of that run, when it was made, was not to get 16 stars. It was meant to beat the game as fast as possible, which at the time, meant collecting 16 stars. Thus, it is in the same category as the 1 and 0 star runs. I can guarentee, if the authors of the 16 star runs could have done it in 15, they would NOT have gone for the 16th star for entertainment over speed purposes.
There is a run that technically trades speed for the entertainment of star collection; the 120 star run. Why not just watch that if you want to see star collection?
That is the same for any 100% run.
And yes, while the 100% runs also aim for speed and perfection, the videos wouldn't be TASes if they didn't aim for something above human capabilities.
Also, your .7% number is due to mmbossman not pointing out EVERY SINGLE entertainment run, like family feud, the megaman dual and quad run, any 100% run on this site, and ones I'm sure I'm forgetting.
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I wish I had been that good at GW-BASIC/Q-BASIC as a kid.
I wrote RPGs (really bad plots, if any at all)....
I always used the ascii character set, for my graphics.
#5 was people, since the spade sorta looks like a person in old ascii codes....
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It really took 2 people to make this?
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Comicalflop wrote:
Teaching Spider-Waffle humility is impossible.
.... more ranting.....
Wow, a simple "no, a saria skip is not possible." OR ignoring the comment...
Pot, kettle, black.
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