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Warepire wrote:
I am rather disappointed that MrGrunz MM TAS didn't even make top50
We don't know that yet! 10 more to go.
Also, I'm sad a Japanese FF8 Omega battle was in the top 50, but no sign of my FF8 run. I'm sure it isn't a top ten run.
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MUGG wrote:
how's snesbot coming along anyway?
I have a circuit board made, and zero time to parts-shop/solder.
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Saethori wrote:
Possibly a better example would be Chrono Trigger, where Inichi's save-corruption run obsoleted Hero of the Day's run. The reason was given that Hero's run was so old and unoptimized that it needed to be replaced,
This should be considered an aberration, and not policy, like OoT(J).
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but rather than allow it to be replaced on its own terms, it was knocked down by the glitched run, which actually served to deter anyone from making a true save-corruption-free run of Chrono Trigger.
I hope this is not actually true. There is plenty of space for a non-save-corruption CT! I'd like to think that the massive undertaking that is any RPG, coupled with Chrono Trigger's unmoving and unforgiving RPG is really why we haven't seen a new version.
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Slowking wrote:
Yes vote!
But please make this the normal any% and the other one "defeats bowser" or "no game ending glitch". I layed out my reasoning in the other SMW submission.
I've laid out the reason I won't be doing this in the Sites Forum.
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I don't feel like this one ends, quite the way the other movie ends. Could you add the 3 frames, and link to that movie?
The music continues, and the splash screen just fades in. Not really the same as "reaching the credits"
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The point that is being missed here is that this isn't a run oriented towards speed - it is an entertainment/demonstration movie. Therefore, it should demonstrate something sufficiently different from the rest of the content of the site.
Brain Age 1 and 2 were totally different games, with totally different mini-games. But the end result was something fairly similar.
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Saethori wrote:
The term "glitched" merely implies the usage of glitches (or bugs, depending on where you draw a distinction between the two), regardless of whether or not they are used to significantly twist the game.
Actually, I think it does that well. "Glitched" as in, the entire game has been glitched beyond comprehension; not "Uses glitches" which most runs do.
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moozooh wrote:
DarkKobold wrote:
It is a bad thing, for this movie, as it is difficult to once again accept a 5th category for Super Metroid.
Understand, that the decision on this movie is far from being made. Thus far, the argument hasn't really occurred, and the main argument is that "This movie is awesome." However, all Super Metroid Submissions by skilled SM tasers are awesome.
I do hope you see the inherent controversy in these two paragraphs: it's "difficult to accept" an additional movie because everything that goes for it is "being awesome". I dunno, it just seems funny to me that the reason for difficulty is that of all things. We don't want awesome things on the site? Too much awesome is a bad thing? Uhh, what's the logic here? :D
You totally ignored the second part of the quote, which is ironically still included. "all Super Metroid Submissions by skilled SM tasers are awesome." A 17% run would be awesome. A 36% run would be awesome. A 69% (heh, heh) run would be awesome. All of the runs hero of the day listed were considered awesome, and had good feedback. So yes, I do want a limit on the "awesome." I'd rather not see a run for each percentage point or route possible through Super Metroid.
moozooh wrote:
But let's try looking at this from the opposite perspective as well: what exactly will be compromised, harmed, or otherwise wronged by accepting this movie without having to remove any content from the site? Thus far, the argument hasn't really occurred, and the main argument is that "Having too many categories is a bad thing."
The site has progressed so much during the last few years and you are clinging to the worst of the atavisms as if it were something good to begin with. It was an arbitrary rule that has outlived its purpose many years ago. I look forward to the day when we drop the burden of arbitrary constraints that make little sense, if any.
boct1584 wrote:
DarkKobold, can you explain to us all why you feel that the number of categories for any given game needs to be restricted?
I see three arguments against multiple categories:
The first is the obvious slippery slope argument. Given that any route through Super Metroid could be considered entertaining, where do we draw the line? This is not a Super Metroid fansite, nor should it be.
Perhaps the concept is dated, but the site was predicated on having the best quality, most up-to-date runs on the site. The more branches to a game, the less likely it is for each branch to get a movie that uses the most recent tricks and findings. Thus, if we accepted all 9 SM categories, then over time, the majority would be woefully out of date. The end result is a muddy mess of movies, with the user not sure which is the best quality.
Finally, many users have complained over the years that the site focuses far too much on popular games, and less popular games get ignored. As a judge, I see accepting numerous, or unlimited categories of a popular game working to reinforce that issue.
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Acheron86 wrote:
DarkKobold wrote:
I would like to note that this is the 9th unique submitted category for Super Metroid.
I'm merely curious: do you find this to have any significance as either a good or bad thing?
It is a bad thing, for this movie, as it is difficult to once again accept a 5th category for Super Metroid.
Understand, that the decision on this movie is far from being made. Thus far, the argument hasn't really occurred, and the main argument is that "This movie is awesome." However, all Super Metroid Submissions by skilled SM tasers are awesome.
In short, if someone could eloquently explain how this movie is substantially different from the other SM content on the site, and is different from the submissions here (final note) and here, I'd be all for publishing it.
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jimsfriend wrote:
Pretty huge question here. Where does the site use "any%" as a term to categorize runs?
The submission page pretty much states that any non-branched movie is assumed to be any%: "Branch name: (e.g. "100%" or "princess only"; "any%" can usually be omitted)"
That said, I agree with you. I see the term "glitched" used for movies that meet all of a certain criteria -
#1. Uses TAS-only memory and/or save corruption.
#2. Cuts out a SIGNIFICANT amount game-play associated with a normal playthrough. Skipping a level here and there is not equivalent.
#3. Fundamentally alters the natural flow of the game.
That said, people are confusing categories with branch names. We have a page that specifically sorts movies the way Dada was requesting. The reason we don't implement branches such as "Beats Bowser" or such, is that we want all encompassing names for branches. "any%" is a recognizable term. Assume for a moment that you had never played a Mario game. Would you know what "Beats Bowser" means? While that may be rare for Mario games, we want rules that encompass lesser known titles.
There can be 3 main branches to any game:
* Glitched
* any%
* 100%
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jlun2 wrote:
Does anyone who own a NESBot own this game? I would love to see this done in a console! Yes vote!
I do, but its a pain in the butt, because you have to delete your saved game.
EDIT: The game requires a reset - thus, it would be nigh impossible to test.
However, I'd like to say I think this deserves to be a separate category.
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I would like to note that this is the 9th unique submitted category for Super Metroid.
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errror1 wrote:
sfa3 and sfa2 are way different then all the Sonic and megaman games combined. Is there any precedent for a run obsoleting a different game?
Yes, there is. Top Gear 2 obsoleted Top Gear 1.
Also, there is precedent for rejecting an entertainment movie like brain age for being far too similar.
In this movie, you use the exact same character pair, to the exact same entertainment effect. While, to a trained SFA3/SFA2 expert, these movies may be distinguishable, to a normal viewer, it looks like two characters unfairly beating on the CPU. I think a different mode, or different character choices may have helped this submission. However, it seems far too similar to the other movie.
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Glitcher wrote:
bahamete wrote:
Edit: Either way, the run works in roughly the same way as this. I think when a run uses severe RAM corruption such as the new SMW idea it warrants a new category.
You're just proving my point. That SML2 run isn't in a new category, it's the only SML2 run that's been published!
The only reason that SML2 isn't a new category, is that the previous any% run used the pipe glitch. Thus, a "glitched" category couldn't be sufficiently isolated from the published run. There is room for an any% run which doesn't use the pipe-glitch.
Look at LoZ:LttP. The any% run does not use any walking through walls. It could do all the dungeons by walking through the walls, but that wouldn't make it sufficiently different from the "glitched" run.
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I'm throwing up a temporary encode, hope it works
http://youtu.be/ADbGUvtMXAI
Anyway, great drop manipulation and health management. Really well done TAS, by a new TASer. Sorry this hasn't gotten much activity, but most people vote off encodes these days.
Hopefully the encode will get the attention this submission deserves. I'm hoping it is just the holiday season/winter break that is causing the drop in activity here.
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This is definitely an improvement over your previous run.
However, I don't see this movie as publishable. There are essentially only 3 layouts for the turtles in the pipes, making the run extremely redundant. Additionally, only 2 hours spent on a movie is probably still too short
You are getting better.
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Lil_Gecko wrote:
It ends up losing 17 frames but it's indeed WAAAAAAAAAAAY better than having Disc Swap error to fix.
Technically speaking, those 17 frames aren't lost - since the TAS won't sync or even really exist without them. Hex editing memory is a big no-no.
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CoolKirby wrote:
I'm surprised it hasn't even been claimed. It's the second Wii submission ever and it's been "new" for nearly a month now.
There have been some issues getting it to sync. Velithia has tried and failed. No other encoder wants to struggle with it.
I guess I'll have to try and get it working so I can judge it.
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feos wrote:
I afraid of nothing because I can feel the truth, by intuition.
Look up the placebo effect. You can feel yourself into damn near anything.
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Yay! More publishers!
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Lex wrote:
Please don't die, Pixel!
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Derakon wrote:
Remember that Pixel could easily have refused to make a commercial version of the game.
I was actually quite happy that Pixel made money off of Cave Story - it is a Masterpiece of gaming. I would rather he die a rich man with bastardized versions of his masterpiece put out, than to see him die penniless like Edgar Alan Poe or Vincent Van Gogh.
Also, it isn't like these bastardizations actually devalue the original. AFAIK, the original is still totally available for download, in untouched form.
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I'm sorry for chiming in late - but how do you do the disc swap?
In my FF8 TAS, the only way I could get it to not display the "WRONG DISC" screen was this process:
Wait until the swap-disc image had fully loaded.
Open the CD case - Frame advance 10-20 times - Insert new CD - Frame advance 10-20 times - press start.
I probably lost a second or two each transition, but having disc swap errors in the TAS is far worse than losing a couple seconds.
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Brandon wrote:
It'd probably be interesting to see a bot destroy the world record for Pac-Man.
FYI, for the arcade version of Pac-Man, there is a maximum achievable score. Billy Mitchell, of King of Kong's fame, is the first person to ever reach this score. Unless the Bot figured out a way to beat the half-level, then the maximum score will stand.
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