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The reason I feel that removing technical rating is not a good idea is because I believe it would result in more unfairly judged movies. The way I see it, the important question here is what we're trying to rate exactly. How much did you like the TAS, or How good was this TAS? The former is primarily a subjective thing, the latter is primarily an objective thing. I believe the two current rating categories (entertainment, technical quality) nicely answers each of these questions, respectively. I also believe a mix of the two questions (how much did you like it, how good is it) is much preferred to only using one or the other when giving a movie an overall rating. Only answering the question "How good is this TAS?" doesn't result in a good enough rating list, in my opinion. On the other hand, only using everybody's personal top 10 list (or top n), while far from pointless or uninteresting, doesn't give an accurate description of what is the "best TAS" (or highest rated TAS), I think. I do believe how much people like it is more important than its technical quality though. All that being said, I think the current rating system is very very good. It takes into account both people's subjective opinion of the movie as well as a more objective technical quality, and more importantly the subjective opinion makes up for more of the overall score. Just the way I believe it should be done. Upon further thought, your second suggestion might actually be a good idea, I'm not sure. I probably think having a x.5 option would be good, at the very least.
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Baxter wrote:
Well... I was just saying that if you wanted to rate a movie higher than a 9, but lower than a 10, being able to rate it a 9.6 would be a very nice option. Your response is to one argument I used, and I used it in an extreme way, just to show something. I somehow agree with you on this point, but this is not what my post was about. I'm still not sure if you agree with the suggestions I made or not.
I don't. I don't think they're at all unreasonable though and I hope your post creates some good discussion on the subject.
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We already had this discussion yesterday on IRC so there's no need to repeat my points, I just want to point out one thing here. "If you want to rate a movie higher than a 9, you will be forced to give it a perfect 10." This (specifically, the "perfect"), I don't agree with. I don't believe the intention of the rating system is to have literally zero movies rated at 10 in any category. If you were to consider a rating of 10 perfect, there would be no movies rated that high. You even say yourself that you feel the text at the side of the rating should be removed and not considered (10 is called "Perfect"). Instead, I believe the intention was having a bell curve kinda distribution, with the very worst at 5 (I agree that the rating system is kinda weird in that pretty much no movies get less than 5, but I don't think that's a big deal), and the very best at 10. Giving out no 10s at all because of some technicality with wording seems completely unreasonable to me.
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I agree that JXQ is the loser in this thread. OR DO I?
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I'll take super duper ultra retarded for $200, Alex.
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Xaphan wrote:
Fabian wrote:
Xaphan wrote:
Maximus wrote:
It would probably be more feasible to rate the top 10 TAS' of all time. It's easier to qualify what should be included, and people can't feel excluded because the terms for judging what is considered "the best" can be easily defined.
I was wondering if the rating of the movies could not be a factor of which movies deserve a star. We could settle for the fact that if a movie has above a certain rating, it deserves a star... I agree on the fact that if only two people rated a movie it's not very meaningful so couldn't we also settle for a minimum votes... Just a thought (maybe 2 cents too)
Stars aren't Best TASes though, they're TASes recommended for first-time viewers. Arguably another "official award" for highly rated/popular movies might be a good thing, but I'm not so sure it's needed. Of course speculation and discussion is always fun though.
Yes, that's true, though I guess that well-rated movies are often popular and the good rating should mean that they are at least entertaining or quite technical so they coul also be recommended for first-time viewers... I still do not know what to think about the moon-marked movies (I did not check if the moon was still used)
In general sure but far from always. As for the moons, they're only visible on newly published movies, and once it (the new movie) disappears from the front page (news section on the right), the moon doesn't appear anywhere. Edited for clarity.
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Xaphan wrote:
Maximus wrote:
It would probably be more feasible to rate the top 10 TAS' of all time. It's easier to qualify what should be included, and people can't feel excluded because the terms for judging what is considered "the best" can be easily defined.
I was wondering if the rating of the movies could not be a factor of which movies deserve a star. We could settle for the fact that if a movie has above a certain rating, it deserves a star... I agree on the fact that if only two people rated a movie it's not very meaningful so couldn't we also settle for a minimum votes... Just a thought (maybe 2 cents too)
Stars aren't Best TASes though, they're TASes recommended for first-time viewers. Arguably another "official award" for highly rated/popular movies might be a good thing, but I'm not so sure it's needed. Of course speculation and discussion is always fun though.
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Dromiceius wrote:
Shouldn't the best author be determined using the semi-arbitrary confidence formula? Using all the votes for an author's combined submissions, naturally.
Another possible option would maybe be to use the movie ratings?
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Nick, I too have always liked Phil's work. Edit: Also, tied for post count Nick! <3
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Here's my attempt. Damn difficult game.
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Vatchern wrote:
Fabian wrote:
mrz wrote:
I was actually starting a small only minimalist run. I was wondering if it would be even worth submitting? I asked skamastaG for example and he said it will just be like the 86 or so run. I agree on this but I also think a minimalist run will be more obsoleted and beaten, and I thought this is a good way to start it off, what do you guys think? If it isn't worth submitting then it isn't worth even doing. So anyway heres a preview http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/2712/small%20only.smv Thanks, Mrz
Like greginator said, this would be way too identical to their 86 exit run. I mean it's the exact same run, minus grabbing Yoshi coins.
I agree with Fabian.
I'm glad we're friends again Nick <3
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mrz wrote:
I was actually starting a small only minimalist run. I was wondering if it would be even worth submitting? I asked skamastaG for example and he said it will just be like the 86 or so run. I agree on this but I also think a minimalist run will be more obsoleted and beaten, and I thought this is a good way to start it off, what do you guys think? If it isn't worth submitting then it isn't worth even doing. So anyway heres a preview http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/2712/small%20only.smv Thanks, Mrz
Like greginator said, this would be way too identical to their 86 exit run. I mean it's the exact same run, minus grabbing Yoshi coins.
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JXQ wrote:
Witness greatness here. Also, sarcasm.
Everybody, Go ahead and watch this one. The castle is fantastic. Great comedy.
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Attempt 2 Pay close attention to YI2 and Bowser's Castle.
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My attempt. Never mind the rerecords, they're from constantly starting over in YI2 (not today of course, this was one shot).
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I've been thinking some more about this. After reading your opinions and considering what I'm giving up and what I gain, I've decided to, like previous full runs, not care about fadeout lag for most exits. Realistically, I'm looking at no more than one frame on average for the normal exits, while probably doubling (not an exaggeration) the amount of work I'd need to do for each exit. Couple this with a worse looking (because of more limitations) overall end result, and I think the decision is pretty easy. I will make sure the important levels don't have doom lag. I will also probably write a more detailed submission text, so you can all read about detailed stuff like fadeout lag, if you're interested. Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it.
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Hi Warp, I didn't read your whole post. I would however be interested in hearing your thought process behind why you feel some movies with non-standard goals/limitations should be categorized under "regular runs" while others should be put in the "concept demo" category. Trying to learn, Fabian
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Hello everyone, As some of you know, I've started working on an improvement of the 96 exit run. The reason I'm posting is I'd like to get some input from everyone on a specific topic, fadeout lag. For those of you who don't know, after each exit (regular goal post exit, key exit, boss exit), during the fadeout sequence, the game lags. How much it lags depends on a number of factors, the most important one being your score. In the past, worrying about fadeout lag for the 100% runs (96 exit Super Mario World and 120 exit Super Demo World) has been considered unnecessary and or stupid, because optimizing it is such a difficult task. Your score has to be carefully planned throughout each level, with all upcoming levels in mind. Basically an impossible task for the 100% runs. Of course, it also puts a very serious restraint on what you can do, which enemies you can kill, which shells you can bounce off of, etc. Now, what I've planned to do for this upcoming run is to handle fadeout lag the same way me and JXQ handled regular lag in our 120 exit Super Demo World run (a game filled with lag), trying to optimize it within each level. In SDW, when we would go back maybe 15 levels to change something, we would lose all the time gained from that improvement when returning to the "current" levels, because of much less favorable lag. Because of this, we decided to complete each level as fast as we could from its current starting state, not worrying about redoing half the run and hope for more favorable lag. In the same way, for this run I've planned to optimize fadeout lag in each exit seperately, meaning I'd try to manipulate the score within each exit to produce the best fadeout time for that particular exit. To put things in perspective, in most exits we're talking about optimal fadeout having 0 extra lag frames and worst possible fadeout having maybe 4-5. In some exits (particularly boss exits), the difference can be much greater. Now, there are some pretty good reasons why this is not a good idea. The main argument is, like I said, it likely would limit what I can do for entertainment pretty severely, and I'm certainly not convinced redoing this run and ending up with a faster but more boring movie is something I want to do. Furthermore, doing this is a quite tedious process and would definitely make progress much slower, as well as increasing the chances of me wanting to give up. All in all, I'm not sure what to do here. Everybody's input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Edit: To clarify, this wouldn't come close to saving 5 frames per exit, since in many cases optimal (0 extra frames of lag) fadeout lag won't be possible from that level's starting score at all, and I of course don't have the worst possible fadeout lag in every exit of my old run. This will likely be your only chance to personally have a significant impact on this run, so speak up please!
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Interesting stuff, thanks catnap. We appreciate you taking the time to translate and post.
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I think creating a weird shit section is clearly the only fair way to resolve this.
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To add my opinion to the mix, I didn't like upthorn's screenshot because of the colours, I didn't like nitsuja's screenshot because it looked extremely boring to me, and I didn't like JXQ's and Bisqwit's screenshots because they are from cutscenes, which I feel isn't a good choice. I agree with xebra's latest post, I think the one from the beginning of Mushroom Hill 2 is excellent.
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Funniest moment of the run is in Flying Battery Zone when Sonic runs in that weird tilted mode and changes direction at about 19:17 in the avi file. Reminded me a lot about the ocarina of time slippers momentum turnaround thing. Wouldn't make a good screenshot, so I don't know why I'm posting, but it made me laugh.
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JXQ, You are a god among men.
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Thanks for taking a screenshot like 5 minutes after SMW gets bumbed from first place, you jerk!
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nitsuja, Dude. still your "buddy", Fabian Seriously though, it sucks to lose the status (!!!) of having the highest rated published movie, but watching this made it well worth it, and this movie is highly deserving.
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