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Johannes wrote:
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Hmm, I think Johannes is starting to hate me.
Not at all. Sorry for somehow giving you that impression.
Are we sure it's faster to skip BBH? It has 3 stars whose unassisted records are 11, 27 and 28 seconds, and they could obviously go lower with tool-assistance.
Keep in mind how it takes like 7 seconds to re enter the level as it is so far away. But idk.
Well, the time saved by replacing the three slowest stars with the three BBH ones adds up to 30+ seconds.
That's true, so I guess we're not skipping BBH and taking out the three slowest stars. What stars would those be?
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Johannes wrote:
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Hmm, I think Johannes is starting to hate me.
Not at all. Sorry for somehow giving you that impression.
Are we sure it's faster to skip BBH? It has 3 stars whose unassisted records are 11, 27 and 28 seconds, and they could obviously go lower with tool-assistance.
Keep in mind how it takes like 7 seconds to re enter the level as it is so far away. But idk.
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So can we take out opening the cannon in Rainbow ride therefore removing Somewhere over the rainbow and replace it with Shallows and sky? It'll will be a lot faster.
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andymac wrote:
To Kyman. of course, I'm such an idiot, but the star can still be completed in 33 seconds without the cannon or blj. (or less if you spend more than 50 rerecords on a single star. I did a test to find approximately how fast it is w/o the cannon)
to Mr RobertZ, you're absolutely right as well. The longest star is somewhere over the rainbow in this list (33+~8 seconds for opening the cannon) so I'll swap it for either DDD: through the jet stream or WDW: secrets of the shallows and sky, which are both 38 seconds. DDD through the jet stream is slightly faster, but a lot more boring.
Yeh, so it's not finished/final.
Somewhere over the rainbow would be more than 41 because the pink bob-omb is so far out of the way, and shallows and sky has been done in I think 32 seconds TASed.
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andymac wrote:
Hey Kyman, before you do anything else, I've got an improved route from MrRobertZ's. It's based on the times on www.sm64.com . Most TAS tricks are used in these runs, they are insane anyways here's the list of stars in order of time. JRB, BBH VCUtM and COtMC are skipped:
In The Deep Freeze
Shining Atop The Pyramid
Blast Away The Wall
Get A Hand
Snowman's Land Snowman's Big Head
Mysterious Mountainside
Shoot Into The Wild Blue
Tick Tock Clock Roll Into The Cage
Wall Kicks Will Work
Blast To The Lonely Mushroom
A-Maze-ing Emergency Exit
Red-Hot Log Rolling
Wet-Dry World Shocking Arrow Lifts!
Chill With The Bully
Fall Onto The Caged Island
Swingin' In The Breeze
Tricky Triangles!
Behind Chain Chomp's Gate
The Pit And The Pendulums
Whirl From The Freezing Pond
The Manta Ray's Reward
Stop Time For Red Coins
8-Coin Puzzle With 15 Pieces
To The Top Of The Fortress
Top O' The Town
Watch For Rolling Rocks
Breathtaking View From Bridge
Hazy Maze Cave Swimming Beast In The Cavern
Shifting Sand Land In The Talons Of The Big Bird
Timed Jumps On Moving Bars
Li'l Penguin Lost
Lethal Lava Land Boil The Big Bully
Tall, Tall Mountain Scale The Mountain
Castle Secret Stars Tower Of The Wing Cap
Rainbow Ride Cruiser Crossing The Rainbow
The Princess's Secret Slide Under 21"0
Shoot To The Island In The Sky
Five Itty Bitty Secrets
Elevator Tour In The Volcano
Cavern Of The Metal Cap
The Tip Top Of The Huge Island
Express Elevator--Hurry Up!
Hot-Foot-It Into The Volcano
Tiny-Huge Island Pluck The Piranha Flower
Coins Amassed In A Maze
Bowser In The Dark World
Bully The Bullies
The Princess's Secret Slide
Metal-Head Mario Can Move!
Cool, Cool Mountain Slip Slidin' Away
Scary 'Shrooms, Red Coins
Stomp On The Thwomp
Navigating The Toxic Maze
Inside The Ancient Pyramid
Whomp's Fortress Chip Off Whomp's Block
Wiggler's Red Coins
Chests In The Current
Mario Wings To The Sky
Somewhere Over The Rainbow
Shell Shreddin' For Red Coins
Bowser In The Fire Sea
Cool, Cool Mountain 100 Coins and Big penguin race
Whomp's Fortress 100 Coins and red coins on the floating isle
Dire, Dire Docks Board Bowser's Sub
Toad
Toad
Toad
MIPS
JRB and BBH were going to be skipped anyways and most of those stars i'm doing..
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Soulrivers wrote:
Jammer01 wrote:
Johannes wrote:
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I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
Personally I'd say adjust the camera on every frame if you want to. I wouldn't worry about an arbitrary limit on how often you change the camera. Just focus on an overall artistic effect of your musing and do what is necessary to achieve it. Obviously reducing lag is good, if that's possible, but otherwise, just do what you want with the camera. This is your work, we'll enjoy the end result regardless.
No, we won't enjoy the end results if he taps R through the entire run.
I don't know, seems a bit closed minded. What if the timing of the tapping produces a visual effect that is actually interesting? Not saying tapping R is a good idea, but it wouldn't be impossible to make it work. I was thinking more along the lines of using the c buttons in combination with R to make a smoothly varying camera style that a human player couldn't possibly reproduce. Think rapid, but subtle.
Frankly I'd rather see where he's going rather than being exposed to a bunch of nasty angles.
Just to let everyone know I have redone everything up to the king bob-omb fight with good angles.
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I'm not even getting anymore stars in BOB :P I'm using robz's route. Also I'm redoing everything with less gay camera spazzes and more optimization. :)
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Mitjitsu wrote:
Does this improve R_z's WIP?
If so how much by?
One thing, try not to overdo the camera changes, I don't mind much if the camera zooms out or rotates, but the constant switching from Lakitu >> Mario and vice versa is a little overdone.
Of course it beat's his WIP (assuming you're referring to his old 70 star WIP)
Yeah i'll stop the frequent camera changing.
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Hey guys, I'm going to make a 70 star run BLJless and I can't think of a route on my own, so I need peoples help, and hopefully if everything goes according to plan I will submit this run. Thanks guys ^^
Also don't worry, I'm 100% dedicated to this run.
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ShadowOfMyles wrote:
While I'm at it:
A friend of mine wondered if it was possible to use the first part of the hyperspeed flying glitch to get the star "Mario Wings to the Sky" capless, cannonless.
What I mean is, do the BLJs and then the C^ and hyperspeed triple jump part, but don't use the wing cap. And try to find a way to get up to the rings (if it's possible to jump that high).
This may not be possible though. I'm just asking to see if anyone's interested in trying again.
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Kirkq wrote:
Would the C-up glitch be able to let you perform faster wall jumps at the end of BitDW in the 0 star run, or does it have to be initialized early in the BLJ?
No in order to face forward, you would have to hit an invisible wall and there isn't any in BitDW.
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Awesome WIP rob_z. Only thing that I noticed was at 20:24 when you did some jump kick that looked really unoptimized. Other than that awesome job, keep it up!
