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What the hell? Where the hell did you get that? If I don't like Picasso's work (and I don't btw), it doesn't mean that I think he's an asshole. Or if I don't like western art altogether, it doesn't mean that I hate all individual white people. Are you serious with this?
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Comicalflop wrote:
Kyrsimys wrote:
I have absolutely no idea where you got that from. He asked why we need a workbench if runs are published this quickly. I replied that because the decision making is not as easy for all games as it is for this one and because Bisqwit and the other judges don't have an infinite amount of time. I'll reiterate: The workbench is by no means useless, but in an ideal situation it would not be needed.
So, you're saying that for the most recent "quickly published because it's a popular game" runs, the encoders only had a precious few hours once it was submitted, or else they'd never get the chance to look at it because they're busy? that's complete bullshit and you know it.
No no, now you misunderstood something. My point was that the workbench is needed because Bisqwit does not have the time to watch every single run in frame advance looking for possible improvements personally, and in some cases he needs input from other people. In this case, he did not need any input from anyone, as he could easily make the decision himself. Ideally, every case would be like this and no input from others would be needed.
Comicalflop wrote:
I don't know about you, but one of the greatest parts about this site for me is the workbench, where a run an author worked long and hard on is shown to the community, and the community gets to take their time and vote on what they thought of it, and submit feedback, point out possible mistakes, and await to see the judge's final result. This luxurious 3 course meal is being given the fast food treatment, and it ends up, rushed, greasy, and the feeling of ickyness in the stomach.
Wow, you call waiting in line a treat? I guess we're just different.
Comicalflop wrote:
Turn a blind eye, eh? You know that's how some of corruption in politics works?
I think mmbossman's point was that there is absolutely no point in the discussion when it consists of comments like "Yes vote" and "Great movie!", which have no effect on the movie being published, at least in this case where the default was that the movie was going to be published as an improvement to an already awesome run. And I agree with him, this (publishing things quickly) is a totally ridiculous issue to complain about.
Comicalflop wrote:
You're basically saying that my opinion does not matter, and is interfering. I'm sorry, where the hell do I get the gall to think my opinion matters? Jesus fucking christ. I was under the opinion everyone's opinion matters, but I guess I was way out of left field, huh buddy?
I'm not sure whether you mean that your vote matters or that your opinion about fast publishing matters. If it's the former then no, your vote doesn't matter. If Bisqwit deemed this worthy of publishing, you whining about it doesn't matter. If it's the latter well sure, you've got a right to an opinion, but then again so does Hitler.
Comicalflop wrote:
I was going to vote yes on Gimmick, but it got published too fast. So there's no point.
Well duh. Voting itself is not the purpose of the workbench, helping judges is. This time they just didn't need your help.
Comicalflop wrote:
I was going to watch the warped SMB3, but that got published before I was even aware it was submitted. Useless for me to vote at this point.
So what? You can still watch it and enjoy it just as much as you would've enjoyed it when it was still in the queue. Or does the act of voting itself and "making a difference" (which you would not have done here as the movie would've been published no matter what you or anyone else would have voted) just give you some sort of pleasure? Is that was this is about? That you get to say "yes" and pretend like it made a difference? I really honestly don't understand so please enlighten me.
Comicalflop wrote:
The Warpless run Tompa has been arguing has a missed trick that means it's not optimal, and should be redone. he was promptly ignored, and it was published. I also did not watch it before it got published. I would possibly vote no on it for that missed trick, but too late now eh?
Too late for what? Are you saying the run can never be redone and republished? There's no harm done here. Even if a new version is submitted two minutes after the previous gets published, the only thing that is lost is the publisher's time, which he himself chose to donate.
Comicalflop wrote:
I was going to vote no on the harmony of dissonance run if I could find any improvements, improvements which I SAID I HAD THE TIME FOR. I was promptly ignored, and it was published.
Yes? So what? Is something irreplacable lost here?
Comicalflop wrote:
Maybe this is because I feel authors should be treated equally, and this has not been the case.
Are you saying someone is favoring one author over the others? Who's that?
Comicalflop wrote:
someone who submits their run, waits for weeks, then has some asshole submit a popular run and has theirs encoded in 2 microseconds will naturally feel a little let down at being ignored in favor for some other person.
Yeah, what bastards they are for TASing great games! Are you for real? You are actually saying people who run games like SMB and Mega Man are idiots who ruin it for other people? And finally, once more: this is Bisqwit's site. If he looks at the workbench and sees an incredible improvement to SMB3, one of his favorite childhood games next to GARU GARU GARUPPO 4 - SAKE-SAN RETURNS in the queue, he has a right to choose the one he is more interested in. Wouldn't you? It's not like runs sit in the queue for six months anymore like they used to. Just be happy that it's not worse.
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Well, yes. In an ideal situation discussion would not be needed. The discussion is needed only to help the judges make a decision, and that's what the workbench is for. Of course I'm not saying there shouldn't be any discussion whatsoever, there are plenty of other forums here to discuss runs.
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I have absolutely no idea where you got that from. He asked why we need a workbench if runs are published this quickly. I replied that because the decision making is not as easy for all games as it is for this one and because Bisqwit and the other judges don't have an infinite amount of time. I'll reiterate: The workbench is by no means useless, but in an ideal situation it would not be needed.
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AKA wrote:
What the point in having a workbench in the first place. You might as well privatley upload a submission to judge and where he can make a quick judgement call and decide whether to publish it or not.
That would be the ideal situation. Sadly, because Bisqwit doesn't have time or knowledge to judge all games objectively, we need this kind of public forum.
And I seriously doubt that anything you could have said would have affected the publication of this movie.
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You took the words right out of my mouth! Not everyone is a pathetic computer geek with no life sitting at their computer day and night waiting for a new submission!
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Bisqwit knows this game inside out. I'm pretty sure he's a lot better at evaluating and checking for potential mistakes than most people here. If he wants to sacrifice his personal free time to encode this run, I simply can't see why anyone would want to object. If you find a mistake in this movie now, so what? It can be fixed and the run replaced. Nothing is taken away from you.
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What the hell is up with complaining about fast publications? I seriously am not getting it at all. How is "something cool and epic" ruined by fast publishing? Please elaborate.
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Nightwish's new album was released in September and it's still number one in the Finnish album chart so I guess that tells you something. I was never a fan, but the new singer is just horrible, I can't believe how well they're doing.
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Totally awesome, JXQ, I really respect your desire to better the site. Just one question about the emulators: Isn't there a specific record-reset snes9x somewhere, or is it already in v10? Either way I think it should be mentioned on the page since it's still been a problem for many people (just look at the ff4 thread).
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Xkeeper wrote:
To me, it is a better idea to attempt to point out the flaws of that position first and debate if it was needed later, rather than leave it unchecked and potentially see more interesting runs get rejected.
You can still do it without being rude, annoying and needlessly sarcastic.
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Xkeeper wrote:
The way he wrote it didn't define a scope of how far it should apply, and I was fighting it in the way I described above. That kind of policy should never pass for every movie.
So you just assume everything everyone says applies to everything unless they specifically say it doesn't? Maybe you should just use common sense to define the scope yourself like the rest of us, it's not like this case was especially ambiguous. When you comment on a workbench thread, you're commenting on the movie, not general policies. Sorry to vent but this just pissed me off.
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Just because Rick said he wouldn't allow any known mistakes in this run doesn't mean he would extend the same for other runs. Why do you have to be an idiot on purpose, Xkeeper?
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PJBoy: You don't think it's arrogant (and extremely disrespectful to moozooh) to say that the only reason moozooh managed to do the Torizo skip is Saturn?
