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Posted: 4/11/2004 10:11 PM
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Michael_Fried
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I was hoping it would be an improved world 1 speed run, but as I said in my previous post, when I timed it I found out it was 3 frames slower.
Posted: 4/11/2004 9:53 PM
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Michael_Fried
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I just redid the fortress and when I timed my video and Genisto's video, he finished the first world 3 frames faster than me, but I still think my video looks cooler, especially how in 1-1 I use the shell to get the powerup, and also how I in 1-3 I kill the turtle on the white block with the tail, send the shell flying up in the air, and then catch it. Edit: By the way, even though it's 3 frames slower than Genisto's speed run, I can still send my world 1 speed run to anyone who's interested.
Posted: 4/11/2004 9:13 PM
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Michael_Fried
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I just finished world 1 and it wasn't faster than Genisto's video, but some of the things that I did look very cool. However, before I give up, I have one more idea for how I can save time in the fortress.
Posted: 4/11/2004 6:42 PM
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Michael_Fried
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Makou wrote:
I think you should be willing to put up a single-stage video if someone is confident that they have the fastest possible way of completing the level. After all, Mike Tyson is only one level in that game.
Well it wouldn't just be one level, it would be all of world 1. I'm working on it right now, and I think I can beat Genisto by at least a few seconds in world 1, but I don't see any point in doing world 8 because Genisto did world 8 pretty well and I can't think of any ways to improve it significantly.
Posted: 4/11/2004 4:48 PM
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Michael_Fried
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I've decided that I'm getting tired of SMB2 and don't want to make a new speed run (unless I'm allowed to use Genisto's video and start from 6-3), so I'll start working on a new SMB3 speed run and see if my idea for a different powerup strategy in world 1 works. Edit: If I can finish world 1 significantly faster than Genisto, would you be willing to just put a partial speed run on your page of just world 1? You would still keep Genisto's video on the page of course, but then you could say something like "this video does not complete world 1 in the fastest way, click here to download Michael Fried's world 1 speed run".
Posted: 4/11/2004 4:38 PM
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Michael_Fried
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You go to Morimoto's forum. Do you speak Japanese?
Posted: 4/11/2004 4:36 PM
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Michael_Fried
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Why doesn't Genisto come to this forum? Then everyone would know what speed run he's working on. For all we know he could be working on his own Zelda speed run right now. Maybe he's even planning on eventually beating every speed run on the site.
Posted: 4/11/2004 4:15 PM
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Michael_Fried
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I just finished watching Genisto's video, and I'm going to stop making my video because it's slower (actually a few of my levels may have been slightly faster, but not by enough to make up for 1-2). However, Genisto's video wasn't as accurate as my video in a few levels, and he also used Luigi in 1-1, so I could beat his time if I wanted to but I would have to start all over, and I haven't decided yet if I'm going to do that. I'm pretty sure sub-8:30 is possible. Edit: Instead of starting a new video from the beginning, am I allowed to use Genisto's video and just redo the last few levels using the trick you just mentioned?
Posted: 4/11/2004 3:54 PM
(Edited: 1/23/2022 5:26 PM)
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Michael_Fried
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Bisqwit wrote:
I still wonder whether this trick could be used to save time in 6-3. https://files.tasvideos.org/smb2test1.avi
For some reason it won't let me view the video. Can you describe what the trick is?
Posted: 4/11/2004 8:01 AM
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Michael_Fried
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Even for title screens 15% is slow enough for me to enter names as fast as possible. It's more important to use autofire because Famtasia only displays one of every 3 frames and it's impossible to enter names as fast as with autofire. By the way, I hope you didn't enter your name as Sleepz. That would be so not cool since the name "A" is a lot cooler (and faster).
Posted: 4/11/2004 7:22 AM
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Michael_Fried
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Does leveling life also refill magic? If not you should just level magic again and again to refill it unless your magic is full already. If it's full already, then I guess leveling life wouldn't hurt. By the way, what strategy did you use against Carock? Did you beat him the easy way and stay on the edge the whole time or did you move around and use save states to you advantage to make sure the reflected magic always hits him?
Posted: 4/11/2004 7:16 AM
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Michael_Fried
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With the new route the white sword is only about a 21 second detour, and is also used for 6 levels, so even with very good bomb use, I think it's safe to say the white sword saves more than 3.5 seconds per level. Also, since he's using lots of bombs, that makes it even less likely that the magical sword is worth getting. By the way, I'm not so sure about that key from the skeleton in level 1. It wastes more time than you might think. I don't know about sub-27, but now I think sub-28 is definitely possible even though my original estimate was 28-29 minutes. Anyway, soon we'll have to start planning which keys to get. I barely know anything about keys because in my speed run I got the magic key so I didn't have to worry about keys. By the way, Sleepz, what speed do you usually set Famtasia at when you make speed runs? Bisqwit said he plays at 40% or 30%, and I was wondering if I was the only person who plays at 15%. I just can't imagine making a very accurate speed run at 40% or 30%.
Posted: 4/11/2004 6:36 AM
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Michael_Fried
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It's shorter if you do 8 before 2. By the way, it doesn't matter how much time the white sword saves in level 5 (unless you found a better route that involves going from 2 to 5) because 341582769 is the shortest route so far. Check my (edited) post a few posts ago for all the details of this route.
Posted: 4/11/2004 5:25 AM
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Michael_Fried
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if I get the white sword. Of course your getting the white sword. It's obviously better than going through the whole game with the wooden sword, and it's also better to get the white sword and not the magical sword than the magical sword and not the white sword. The white sword would be use for twice as many levels, and the magical sword definitely does not save more than twice as much time per level. Also keep in mind that for the magical sword you would need a few overworld heart containers, and each one wastes 10 seconds. Ramzi, I need to know if I have to get that key in the room above. I cant go forward until I know for sure. I would say probably not. Going up a screen and down a screen would probably waste about 7 seconds, and fighting a room full of blue darknuts with the white sword doesn't even waste that long. Edit: I forgot to mention this before (though it's kind of obvious), but not only is 3415 shorter than 34125, but you would also have the white sword for level 2 (but level 2 is so short and easy that it probably doesn't make a difference).
Posted: 4/11/2004 4:39 AM
(Edited: 4/11/2004 5:57 AM)
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Michael_Fried
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Also, I managed to clear the darknut room with only 2 bombs, and in quarter the time. I think that using more bombs could potentially save a whole minute or more off the run. Thats a major time saver right there. Are you using the sword also? Using a combination of bombs and the sword is even faster (or maybe with the first sword it's not, I'm not sure). Maybe, but wouldnt that lose the shorter distance of taking 2 then 5? If you take 5 first, then its gonna be a long walk to 2 no matter what you do, so it will end up being more than 2 screens detour. Also, according to Ramzi, getting white sword for 5 might not even be worth it? Looks can be deceiving, if you count the screens, you'll be in for a surprize. [1 to 5 (including the white sword)] + [start to 2] < [1 to 2] + [2 to 5 (including the white sword)] Edit: I think using all this logic I can start writing up the route. Another possibility is to get the 100 rupees on the way to level 8 that's 2 screens out of the way, but I think this would take slightly longer than playing the gambling game an extra 2 times. Keep in mind that with this route you would need to get at least 40 rupees from enemies, but if you don't think you can do this without wasting more than 8 seconds, then just play the gambling game 1 more time. Level 3, raft Up+A Gambling game 4 times Blue candle Level 4, ladder Bait (you can also get this just before level 2) Level 1, bow White sword Level 5, whistle Up+A Arrows Level 8 Level 2 Whistle to 3 Level 7 Level 6 Whistle to 1 Level 9, silver arrows Edit 2: it is faster to Up+A for the raft. Another thing I forgot to mention is make sure you press pause as soon as possible. Sometimes it's possible to press pause 1 frame before it looks like you have the raft, and you'll still have it. Another thing (that probably doesn't make a difference but I'll tell you anyway) is that you don't have wait for the subscreen to finish coming up before you press Up+A. You can actually start holding them down even before you pause. This will ensure that you pressed it as soon as possible. You can also do this for switching items (hold down left or right before the subscreen finishes coming up) but it doesn't always work for some reason.
Posted: 4/11/2004 4:26 AM
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Michael_Fried
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I just thought a little about whether or not each sword should be gotten. The white sword is 4 screens out of the way and takes about 11 seconds to get, so that's about a 31 second detour, and it would be used for 5 levels. Having the white sword instead of the first sword would save about 5 seconds for of the 4 darknut rooms, so that's 20 seconds saved, and then add in all the fighting rooms in level 9, and I think it's safe to say that's more than 30 seconds saved. The magical sword is 2 screens out of the way, and would require getting 3 overworld heart containers (assuming you want the magical sword for level 8). This is about a 51 second detour, and it would be used for 3 levels, 6, 8, and 9. In level 6, not including the bat room or the boss room, there are 3 rooms where you must fight. In level 8 there are 3 rooms where you must fight. In level 9, there are 8 rooms where you must fight. That's a total of 14 rooms where you must fight. I'll assume that having the magical sword instead of the white sword would save an average of 3 seconds in each room (even though it's actually probably less than 3 seconds, I'm making it 3 to be safe). 14x3=42. Now add on a few more seconds for the blue darknuts and a few more for the bosses and it obviously doesn't reach 51. My conclusion is that you should get the white sword and not the magical sword in a perfect speed run.
Posted: 4/11/2004 3:40 AM
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Michael_Fried
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Sleepz wrote:
Ok, I'm in level 3. Got through the compass room 1 second faster than Michael by getting the bat to push me.
Doesn't that mean you'll have to wait for the heart to fill up when you get the triforce? You should time it to see if the time lost is more or less than the time gained. Edit: By the way, I haven't timed it, but I think it saves time if you do Up+A after getting the raft (I hope you remembered to check off both controllers).
Posted: 4/11/2004 3:34 AM
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Michael_Fried
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How about starting out with 3415 instead of 34125, and that way the white sword is only 2 screens out of the way instead of 4.
Posted: 4/11/2004 2:17 AM
(Edited: 4/11/2004 10:13 PM)
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Michael_Fried
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I give up on coming up with the best route, so I'm going to very accurately time certain things like whistle blowing, Up+A, walking across the screen, and caves, and maybe this will make it easier to mathematically calculate the fastest route. If anyone has any more ideas for what I should time, let me know. Edit: Up+A takes exactly 3.75 seconds from pressing start to getting control of Link. Edit 2: Whistle blowing takes exactly 7.95 seconds from pressing B to getting control of Link. Edit 3: The first sword takes exactly 10.95 seconds from stepping onto the black square to getting control of Link. Edit 4: Heart containers take exactly 10.1 seconds to get (this doesn't include the time it takes for bombing or burning). Edit 5: The gambling game (in a cave) takes exactly 8.05 seconds (assuming the middle rupee is chosen). Edit 6: Money caves (in a stairway) take exactly 5.65 seconds. Edit 7: Walking across the screen horizontally takes exactly 4.8 seconds (including walking time and scrolling time). Edit 8: Walking across the screen vertically takes exactly 3.45 seconds (including walking time and scrolling time). Edit 9: Power bracelet warps take exactly 4.65 seconds (assuming the middle stairway is chosen).
Posted: 4/11/2004 1:18 AM
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Michael_Fried
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Don't forget to enter your name very fast. Here's what I did. I put start and select on autofire, then I held down start, then I pressed A to enter my name as A, and then I held down start and select. Anyway, I'll take a few minutes and type up a new route using the things that you came up with. By the way, the reason I didn't go into the map room in level 4 was because I didn't want to wait for the room to get dark and then for it to light up in the next room. Edit: Or maybe more than a few minutes, I'm having trouble coming up with a good route.
Posted: 4/11/2004 12:19 AM
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Michael_Fried
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Bisqwit wrote:
feitclub wrote:
Does "total downloads" include the FMV files?
No. The data comes from the BItTorrent tracker.
How can Yy's SMB movie have a total of 162 downloads if it's only an fmv?
Posted: 4/9/2004 10:48 PM
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Michael_Fried
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At the end of 6-1 when Sleepz threw the mushroom block at the eagle head so he could stand on it, was that just done to look cool or does it save time?
Posted: 4/9/2004 9:22 PM
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Michael_Fried
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I'm fighting Birdo in 6-1 and I can't figure out how to do the trick where the mushroom block bounces off your head. First I jumped in the air, then I dropped the block, then I got Toad under the block, then it dropped on Birdo, and then instead of bouncing off of Toads head, it just went through him and landed on the ground. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Edit: Never mind, I figured it out.
Posted: 4/9/2004 5:48 PM
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Michael_Fried
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Do you know yet which route you're going to use? Here's the one I recommend: First Sword Level 3, raft Up+A Gambling game a few times, making sure to win 50 rupees each time Blue Candle Level 4, ladder Bait Heart Container from tree Level 1, bow Arrows Level 2 Heart Container from rock White sword Level 5, whistle Whistle to level 2 Level 8 (don't get the magic key, this was a mistake in my video, which also caused me too choose a much longer route because I wanted to get it early) Whistle to level 3 Level 7 Magical Sword Level 6 Whistle to level 1 Level 9, silver arrows Another mistake in my video was that I didn't use bombs often enough in fights, which made my fights slower, so make sure you use some bombs in your fights, especially in the first few levels where you have the first sword. Also keep in mind that there are many places where you can use Up+A inside the levels, such as after getting the bow in level 1, the raft in level 3, or the whistle in level 5. There are also times that you might not even think of where Up+A saves time, such as after getting the first sword or after getting the key from the stalfos one screen right of the start of level 1. Also don't forget about the key glitch in level 1, which takes less time than many other keys (and also prevents anyone from trying to submit the video to Twin Galaxies since they banned that glitch). If you have any questions about how I did something in my video, feel free to ask because many things require very precise timing and it could be hard to tell what I did. One example is how I reentered level 1 instantly instead of moving half a link-length down and then back up. The way I did this is when Link was all the way out, I quickly tapped right and then pressed up, and this somehow let me reenter without having to go down at all. Also, if you ever want me to watch what you did so far to see if I have any suggestions for improvement, feel free to send me the fmv.
Posted: 4/9/2004 5:08 PM
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Michael_Fried
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Lezard wrote:
You've never played in multiplayer mode???4 players??
No, I just compete with people online in time trials. Even if I did play multiplayer player mode, it would be too easy because none of my friends are good at the game.
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