If there are non for this run, it's fine. It's just that AKA stated in Gex 64 thread that he voted yes purely for the need of more N64 action. And Asteron did too. That's not a good reason to publish runs.
Yes I did say it in the Gex 64 thread but I that was one of my weaker points in terms of my overall justification, I'll go and fetch what I said just now.
EDIT: AKA wrote:
Voting yes purely out of the need for more N64 action, it was a fairly decent game with some nice acurate movement throughout, although a few complaints are the lack of sound and music and the slight repetiveness of the game i.e. going through all the sections just to do a small break off to get the remote. Apart from the pig boss, all the bosses were a bit seen it all before.
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JXQ wrote:
AKA wrote:
5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
Speaking of 5 bucks...
AKA wrote:
Well he doesn't have the record for Sonic 1 and 10 bucks says that even if he attempted to obselte the previous run he wouldn't be able to beat it by >3 seconds.
AKA, please PM me to discuss payment options over my Sonic 1 improvement, thanks.
You missed the small print, I mentioned Nitsuja, not anyone , or JXQ.
OK no/meh voters if the choice of goals was so poor then what should of been choosen, 5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
EDIT: JXQ, N64 runs are generally more time consuming to make becuase greater thought is required between savestates.
I disagree with the bit where it says the water levels were the worst. I personally thought the Mystery Door level was the worst. I know there is a few unoptimized bits, which you mentioned earlier and I know where some of the later bits were, but I didn't feel in the mood to optimize the entire game becuase I was so unsure as to whether anyone would find it entertaining even if it was a trully frame perfect run. The rope glitch doesn't actually work in the first level because the rope needs to touch the ground and become fully formed while the screen is still scrolling upwards. What pissed me off the most was the fact that I lost the rope glitch after casting the "Alakazam" trick after the second boss battle. I disagree with Adelikats comments in relation to being able to easilly replicate that in a speedrun. Its true for most of it I would agree, but 95% of enemies you see on screen pose some challenge and are hard to avoid without pausing. The jump gltich is frame specific but doable, but the rope glicthes would be near impossible to do in real time due to the nature of the precision thats required, but to conclude I think I was doomed before I started, but its nice to say that I have a 2P run under my belt as there isn't that many people that could say that.
It desynced in the same place for me, I had two savestates and they desynced so I watched the movie from the beggining and it desynced for me just before the owl statue on the second cycle.
Raiscan wrote:
Just wondering, why do you not use the reverse Song of Time to slow down time? would it not allow more things to be accomplished in one day?
This has been discussed in great length, but it won't be used in the second cycle as very little is being done other than getting the Goron mask. Mukki would do very well to hold his nerve up till getting it. Since this part of the game is only 10% of the actual game.
Adult Link is too stupi to use sticks!?! :O
OK well, have fun with the hover method then.
The hover method can't be used it requires a sword. I forgot to mention that its three methods can be used to enter Ganon's tower, the fourth is the hover but that requires a sword.
Care to explain how a jump attack with the deku stick is different than a jump attack with the sword? There will always be an angle where the stick won't collide with the wall and still put you in the critical angle, so I can't think of any reason why deku sticks aren't viable.
e: Either my browser at work sucks, or the term 'trial' comes up about twice in the last ~30 pages of this thread.
Deku sticks can only be used as Young Link, in Ganons tower there will be no sword or even an Item thats capable of jumpslash.
Megaton: Takes waaaaaaayyy to long to get
Big Goron or Brocken sword: Is assigned to B
So to conclude there is no item that can do a jump slashing motion.
How do you do the Gannon trials skip with light arrows on B? You won't be able to jump slash through the wall, right?
This question has already been answered and no Zurreco's explantation is wrong, there is in fact four ways in which the trials skip can be done with a jump slash.
Well its certainly very fast paced, was that a glitch at the end? In my opinion the first level isn't a good demonstation of what the game is like. From what I remember the game is very long and requires a bit of back tracking since I remember a level where you have to get a about a trillion orbs and return them two at a time order to complete some kind of DNA structure, that was a far as I ever managed to get back then.
Voting yes, although Tails or Sonic probally would have been a better choice for such a run.
Huh? That's like saying Sonic 2 would have been a better choice for this run.
Not true, I was suggesting that Tails has the abilty to fly and that could give him an edge over many shortcuts and possible zipping motions and of course Sonic has the abilty to go hyper and has additional stages plus the infamous Doomsday stage which would have been a spectacular finally.
Just want to make it clear to you that if you don't use Floyd as an assistive player later on then the single player run won't stand against someone whose using Floyd as an assisistive player. I remember when playing this on a console when during one of the boss fights where you hide behind a rock, I would then grab the second controller so I could fire at the boss as Floyd, since it was neccesary to hide while the boss was doing his deadly attack sequence. It really can't be that hard, since he's nothing more than a second indepenent gun.
Not everyone has revealed there locations, but then you'd have to consider percentage of population, which would mean that the Scandinavian countrys would probally come on top, then again length of movie/number of re-records on average would make a very interesting comparision.
Here's demo video of what West Clock Town >> Termina >> Snow Mountain.
Of course you'll quickly realise that I've done this in real time on PJ64, so its highly unoptimized if I'm putting it lightly.
Here's some points
1. Go down the slope at a skewed angle
2. Whip out a bomb, do a blind backwalk towards the slope in Snow Mountain, and superslide at the last frame, this is mainly becuase of the leevers. The Dondongo can be manipulated to give a favourable collision boost.
3. I don't superslide here but superslide up the slope none the less
4. I was wrong about the navi text here, its probally best to backwalk, while whipping out a bomb and doing an endless sword technique on the bomb.
5. Back walk towards glacier, it might be better to do it so that Link is facing more towards Ikana on the left so you can quickly side-step to SnowMountain
Here is the AVI
Simple rule when watching this game. When a save file is first created its permanently stored until its deleted and not after its saved, so what I'd advise you to do (like I did) is to create a savestate the moment the power is switched on during the movie, and make the other ones when you get to clock tower and when the first cycle is done and then when the Goron mask is obtained etc. Mukki were you able to watch all my last movie without the game desyncing? since if thats the case then other people must have the wrong settings or either a slow or dodgy computer setup.
I was actaully thinking more of this route for three reasons
1. Shorter path
2. Less transitional screens
3. Better angle for Supersliding
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I would strongly argue GuanoBowl should win that award over FODA for three reasons
1. Desyncs, SM64 never desyncs ever.
2. A lot of back tracking was required when a new strategy was required
3. FODA's was spread out over a year and not concentrated, I'm sure someone else with less outside commitments could have pruduced that within 3-4 months.
YES, although I'd argue most of the improvement over the un-modified version came through the use of spin dash, although I was expecting very fast times on the Marble and Labyrinth stages I never expected they'd be that big.
Whats the point of going purley for the fastest time, espeacially when that would mean deliberate deaths during bonus stages, when its clear that 90% of people would rather see a no WR obtained for it.
I've actually watched this twice. Once to enjoy and twice to spot the improvements, I'll comment on each stage.
Green Hill: I belive there are now 4 TASes that have achived 24 seconds all with the exact same frame number, I've been able to get about half a frame ahead before the loop. but the alingment always seems to be wrong to get the proper loop jump, even though I'm convined that its somehow possible to sqeeze a frame off that stage
Green Hill 2: A 3 frame improvement over mine, and yes I noticed that you don't jump from the stone in order to reach the bouncer like I did.
Green Hill 3: How you managed that much improvement was a mystery to me
Marble 1: How you tackled this stage seems to have simalar logic to the Labyrinth stages, you waited and then cleared obstacles at an earlier time but with a much higher speed as opposed to the old get there as quick as you can and then delay movements in order to pass a moving obstacle
Marble 2: This as well as Scrap Brain 2 seemed to have benifited from a memory viewer
Marble 3: Again I don't know how you manged that improvement
Spring 1: Less jumping I see
Spring 2: Seemed different, but I wouldn't have expected the improvements to have given you that much of a gain
Spring 3: Delay at the start was clever although you're still forced to wait at the end and yet again its another how was that much improvement obtained
Labyrinth 1 : Its a shame that zipping is useless, but as I though sub 40 is not possible
Labyrinth 2: I was quite proud of the execution I did on this level, but like I said with Marble delaying and running seemed to help.
Labyrinth 3: Well done you made it out alive
Star Light 1: This again seems like it benifited from a memory viewer
Star Light 2: Did the improvement come solely from the mini jump that got you extra rev? I guess you've solved the mystery of how that magic move works at the end, you very nearly got 15 seconds. Did you execute the trick at the end quicker than me.
Star Light 3: Again benifited from a memory viewer
Scrap Brain 1: I think I can be forgived for not finding that improvement with the zipping glitch because I didn't have a memory viewer back then.
Scrap Brain 2: I think from a TASing point of view this stage deserves a star purely for being able to bypass the saws without taking damage
Scrap Brain 3: woot you knocked another 15 frames off that stage
This is actually the first time I've ever voted for any of the authors movies and do you really have to guess what I just voted.
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