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you mean mega flip off superslide was discovered long time before brian's method, right?
Mega Flip reduces the number of needed explosives for the inverted stone tower trick by 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ir2ke93YKFU
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Big thanks to swordless
he told me, what I was doing wrongly, so I'm finally to do real Mega Flips :)
here's some fun with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeMzuiIcKxU
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If we would have the hookshot, we could get OoB with my trick to clip OoB off the mini boss and get into bombchu hovering
from there we would only 5 explosives or something ;)
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petrie911 wrote:
Hehe, nice.
Anyways, we should probably get around to testing how many bombchus this saves. The important places to test are...
-Boss Key skips
-Stone Tower exterior
-Great Fairy warps
great fairy warp maybe one bombchu, but that's all.
inverted stone tower should be possible with 2 explosives now
I have a few nice ideas for the stone tower boss key skip and if my math is right, we'll get it down to 12-13 explosives :D
thanks petrie
this will also help me to understand the timing if I watch it frame by frame ;)
the mega flip acts like a normal backflip, right, so it looses all its speed again.
that means, that that the best choice for the boss key skips is still a bomb boost in the end
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I figured out a way to get OoB in nearly every fucking building, but there was nothing else
I asked millions times for a program already, but nobody was able to help me
maybe a Debug rom can do
somebody once talked with a game hacker for me in order to find wrong warps in OoT, but the hacker said, that it isn't possible
he knew the placement of every building etc., so I'm pretty sure, that there's a way
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here's a little trick to reduce the number of needed explosives for stone tower even more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVYT2Q0RTQc
I also show, that there's no need for a roll to change your camera angle while bombchu hovering. just do a sideways bombchu hover and you can change your angle directly afterwards ;)
edit:
here's the alternate stone tower boss key skip I talked about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABbrgB0iteU
it only requieres 18 explosives ;)
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what SL did was just a frame perfect recoil flip + a jump and it really gives you more distance, but there are nearly no places to use it ;)
@slowking
we needed 13 extra bombs for the old optimized boss key skip and there are only 2 rooms in the whole temple, that contain bomb drops:
1. mirror room
2. pre gomess room
both only contain 2 bomb drops. 2x5=10
my better optimized version requiers only 9 extra bombs, so we have to only visit the rooms for the bomb drops one time ;)
oh, and with my new ultimate GBT trick, skipping the zora mask would save about 10-15 minutes now ;)
it would skip learning the song, playing the song, collecting the eggs, getting any bottle, bringing the zora guy out of the water, playing SoH and the zora mask cutscence.
our whole route is based on collecting the eggs, if you didn't notice it yet ;)
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I've just had a little idea for an improvement of our current route!
Instead of getting those 10 bombs for the boss key skip from the mirror room, we get them from the pre-gomess room. this is a bit slower, but then we can still get 100 ruppies by shooting those 2 skull things with light arrows ;)
What do you think?
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Mitjitsu wrote:
We were saying that 2 years ago about OoT, and now look where we are.
let's think about it:
we have every major sequence break for MM discovered apart from zora mask skip and a temple skip
both are the same as an OoT light arrow skip, that means, they will be never possible
all we can do is breaking the temples even more and finding new timesavers. maybe also a new wrong warp, but I tested every place and I didn't find anything. maybe I missed a place, who knows.
woodfall temple:
we have the quickest way over to the bow and a boss key skip.
all we could do, would be to find a better place for the boss key skip.
snowhead temple:
we have the fastest route up to the temple and a boss key skip, which requieres too many explosives. snowhead requieres already too much, so a boss key skip isn't worth
great bay temple:
we have that ultra sequence break, that skips nearly the whole temple. only a better place to get out of bounds would speed the temple up. I have a idea already ;)
stone tower:
we have the fastest route over to the light arrow and a trick, that skips nearly the whole inverted stone tower. I've figured out a better place to get out of bounds, what should save even more explosives, so we can skip even more bomb hovers.
however, there are also not many people left, that try to break OoT and MM even more. sometimes I have the impression, that I'm the last one :/
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Swordless Link wrote:
I haven't finished the first cycle yet. I'm doing the second of three field trips. Since this is like the fifth f'ing time I'm doing it, I have next to no motivation.
the good thing is, that the any% category is pushed to it's limits now, so you don't have to be frightend, that there will be new major thinks discovered
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I decided to optimize the Inverted Stone Tower Skip even more.
With some logical geometry thinking and my recent hover findings I was able to do it with 21 instead of the 25 petrie used!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VUXOeS7tHc
now we don#t have to go back to the mirror room to get more bombs anymore :)
edit:
I've discovered way that uses only 20-22 explosives
should I also mak a video about it?
it uses a different OoB
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here's a new trick to change camera angles while hovering:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFpdkaIvY9I
how to is in the description. Might save some bombchus on stone tower boss key skip
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and finally my second TAS. This time it's stone tower with the new boss key skip in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NZ-Rp874-M
some parts didn't turn out too greatly, but hey, I started TASing 3 days ago....
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petrie, could you please come to SDA irc?
I have a big problem
Slowking wrote:
@MrGrunz
The thing is even if you flew through there you couldn't have made it that fast. The only way is that you slowed down time or left something out...
I also considered, that you may have done it in the first cycle with, removing the mask through a cheat, but I believe time actually runs faster in the first one... so only those two remain.
I have no idea
I won't upload it today anymore, but maybe tomorrow
edit:
ok, I fixed the problem with the TAS. Because of that, I had to do the TAS around 5 times until now, but the result looks pretty good to me for a first TAS
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petrie911 wrote:
I'm starting to wonder where Grunz got that time, too. I did a quick test run and it looked as though i wouldn't get to the Ranch until midnight.
Grunz, you didn't make the mistake of playing with time slowed, did you? Because that would do it.
Anyways, I'll try to give this a shot when I get the time.
I'll upload my playthrough :/
however, I did a complete woodfall TAS with boss key skip and forgot to press recording
I'm way too pissed off now
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Slowking wrote:
MrGrunz wrote:
if you have 300 bombchus, you could climb stone tower without hookshot :D
I thought I remebered that the hookshot was only used once during Mukkis run on the way up there. Thats why I asked.
I think, we'll arrive at the ranch to early, so the perfect option would be the beavers race. it's 20 seconds slower, but it saves explosives and it would be faster than waiting 1 minute in front of the ranch
there are also 20 rupees perfectly on the way up the beavers we could collect
You need the hookshot to get up there. without it you will truely need 300 chus.
oh, and I have a theory to skip the sonata of awaking!
the deku palace is under the woodfall map, when you haven't played the song yet. I have some doubt, that the loading zones are already there, but it's worth trying it
another problem is, that link can't be in OoB water and the OoB water under the area is really, really deep. the temple is in the middle, so it doesn't seem to be possible to get over to it
This will only ad time, not save it.
- The way from the palace to the temple isn't that far so it probably won't warant the lost explosives
- you need to go the way to get the warp-song
- you need to activate the owl in front of the tempel to get back here later and to get from here to Snowhead.
sonata skip would be for low%
however, I can't get it to work
ok, beavers race is out of the door....
and mukki used the hookshot 7 times in his TAS to climb stone tower ;)
stone tower is the place, that forces us to get hookshot or blast mask in low%
all the other things can be done with bombs ;)
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Slowking wrote:
I don't think we can know how long it actually takes untill somebody tases it...
Btw. if I see it correctly the perfect time to be in shooting position would be shortly before 3:30, so it's a little later, still.
Would it be possible to climb stone tower without the hookshot or would that loose to much time? After you are up there you warp away to get explosives anyway and it could provide the missing time for the ranch bottle.
if you have 300 bombchus, you could climb stone tower without hookshot :D
I think, we'll arrive at the ranch to early, so the perfect option would be the beavers race. it's 20 seconds slower, but it saves explosives and it would be faster than waiting 1 minute in front of the ranch
there are also 20 rupees perfectly on the way up the beavers we could collect
oh, and I have a theory to skip the sonata of awaking!
the deku palace is under the woodfall map, when you haven't played the song yet. I have some doubt, that the loading zones are already there, but it's worth trying it
another problem is, that link can't be in OoB water and the OoB water under the area is really, really deep. the temple is in the middle, so it doesn't seem to be possible to get over to it
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the first song of double time should be played directly at the beginning of the 2nd cycle
we have to arrive at the ranch as late as possible
we have to think about something different, too.
we have no goron mask and gilded sword, so what are the best strats for 1st wizrobe battle, odolwa, the pirate's battle, light arrow battle and the bow battle
I used a strategy in my testings for the bow fight, that is only 1-2 seconds slower than using a deku stick or goron mask
in the new route aren't that convenient places to get sticks anymore, so what strats are the best ones?
