From what I have learned, relying on FAQs for doing TAS isn't a good idea. Those FAQs are good for normal playing but that's not normal playing here.
I don't know that rock group. Sorry.
I would like to work more on this run but both Snes emulators does have some problems.
Personally, I don't recommend using this version to start TAS because it contains several bugs that makes movie to desync and also some missing features.
Obtaining that Excalibur avoid to kill that Wyvern to obtain the crystal sword + Edge can throw it. Well I will check that later.
I think acquiring special armor from monsters may help reduce the time to level up characters and can prevent Zeromus to kill members because of that Big Bang. We must have in mind that I can possibly do critical hit vey often so it compensates for the level up I didn't gain but for HP/defense it will still be low. So having good armors may help. Again, I will check for that later. It's been a long time that I haven't played so I am not sure right now.
Well, I will start the run and when Cecil will become Paladin, it will be easier to make a good strat.
Your avatar doesn't mean anything to me. The picture is too small to see what it is.
Guys, I have decided to make a run of this game.
Enhasa wrote:
Also, for anyone wanting to speedrun this, reading the algorithms guide on Gamefaqs is a must. In
fact, I haven't done so myself in a long while, so hopefully I don't say anything wrong.
I don't see that at Gamfaqs site.
Enhasa wrote:
In general, it's a waste of time to buy any equipment. Armor tends to do stuff like improve your
defense by 1 in this game. I'll mention any time I feel it would help to buy something. Curative items, like in any
Square game and most RPGs in general, are ridiculous, so you'll want to spend your money on that. Mostly Life
potions, as we'll get to later.
I will try that no one die at all.
Enhasa wrote:
The Float trick and the equip a shield trick don't come into play here.
I am not sure what this trick is. Can someone explain?
Enhasa wrote:
I would first like to get this out of the way and say that while it's not worth the time to do just
this, Kain should typically be placed in the back row if possible since it doesn't affect his Jump. If you have the
need, however, place him in the front with 3 back people for even more aggregate damage reduction.
Since he is almost always jumping and doesn't receive any damage, why putting him in back? I think it will be better
to put him in front.
Enhasa wrote:
I typically get the Black Sword or whatever in the caves; it's right in the way. When you get to
Octomamm, let Rydia get off all the Chocobos she can before she dies. It's not worth reviving her. (If she somehow
survives long enough, start using the Rod.) However, you'll want to have Tellah Life1 her during the vacuous part at
the end. This is to make Antlion quicker with more Chocobos.
I don't know if it will be so beneficial to obtain the black sword since Cecil will almost always do critical hit at
each hit.
Enhasa wrote:
I don't remember Baigan too well but I think Twin is good versus his Wall. For Kainazzo, his Big
Wave will wreck your team, so the Lits need to be timed so this never happens. If you can pull that off, he dies
incredibly fast.
They will be no match.
Enhasa wrote:
Now we get to do some stuff with the Airship. The only thing I can think of is to go to Rydia's
house and get the gear, namely the Tiara. I think the rod might be worth it too for any extra magic damage? I mean,
it's right there.
I don't know. I know that I will make some enemies to drop some special items like the lilith rod or even the Zeus
gauntlet. Well, I will see myself if the worth it.
Enhasa wrote:
When I went through the game, I didn't do this, but in retrospect I recommend getting weapons in the
Tower of Zot for Cecil and probably Cid. I know when getting the sword for Cecil, you fight guys who die easily to
Ice3, and if and only if the same is true for Cid I'd do the same. The Magus Sisters is the first place you need a
bit of luck to go quickly, and lack of bad luck if you want to not die. You basically need Tellah to Whatever3
whoever has Wall and hope it hits the fat one. Twice would be nice as well.
I'm not hoping if it will hit the fat girl, I am hoping if it will be easy to manipulate the luck. :P
Enhasa wrote:
Before fighting Edge's parents, get the treasure chest to the left, because I remember it's got LOTS
of money. While fighting, just sit there to speed it up. Don't worry about healing, Rubicant's got you covered. Now
most people think Rubicant is hard, but the truth of the matter is, like Behemoths, he mostly counterattacks, and
with AE moves, which kill the tanking strategy. Rosa heals, Kain Jumps, Edge and Rydia hit him with Flood and Ice2
respectively. Now here's the key: Cecil can't either attack or parry, for tanking purposes, so sometimes you just
gotta cast Cure1 or something. Because he's not attacking, feel free to put Cecil in the back along with Rosa and
Rydia.
I will see if this start is necessary in a TAS.
Enhasa wrote:
Now is where the game finally gets a bit non-linear. Also, we can now buy our final equipment with
all the money we have. First go to the Sealed Cave and then go to the moon and come right back, for Excalibur
reasons. Now go through the Cave of Summoned Monsters and don't heal from the damage tiles. Get the rat tail, and
buy 2 Aegis Shields and the Summoner's Robe. In the dwarf town, buy 1 Gauntlet, 2 Rings, 1 Tiara, 1 Diamond Armor,
and 1 Diamond Helmet. I think that's about right, I just looked at some ZSTs to try to figure out what I did. Now
make the Excalibur. Now make some more. Outside Baron is the best place for the dupe trick. Because your guys are at
1 from the tiles, non-Cecil people can kill themselves off and it'll go by blazingly quick. I made 20 and won with
7, so 15 sounds like a nice number. I don't think any need to be made for money. I can't remember if I used them or
Edge's magic against the Elements, but I'm getting ahead of myself. I will say that Edge should now typically be in
the back row for Darting, given his poor defense.
I also think that getting the excalibur is a good idea.
Enhasa wrote:
Get FuSoYa. Rosa will then pimp him and take all his gear. Now in the Giant is where you want to
finally level, so I guess the fact that you couldn't beat the Elements at this stage is irrelevant. Go to the save
point and walk around. You are looking for those alerter guys, who summon dragons. Harvest dragons really quickly by
using FuSoYa's Weak. If the timing is impeccable then the dragons won't even get to do anything; otherwise, they
hurt you and you need to heal. When FuSoYa is low on MP have him Psych from your teammates. Whenever you run out of
MP, go ahead and win the fight. You should level like a madman. I stopped when my guys got up to the low 40s. This
took 2-3 harvests.
I will see if it is a good idea to level up that much.
nitsuja wrote:
Personally I think a run of the hard-type (FF4j) would be much more entertaining than a run of the
easy-type (FF2 US).
I have never played the hard type + I don't know anything about japanese.
Tilus wrote:
Also, in the Giant, what kind of dragons does the Searcher summon? If it were Red Ds or Blue Ds or
some other dragon that gives 20000+ EXP/kill I could understand this being the fastest way, but if not, then why not
harvest Attackers/Defenders off the CPU? They give 50000 EXP each and can be killed fairly quickly as well.
fuwafuwa wrote:
Items: Excalibur is worthwhile because you can dupe it and give Edge the ability to repeatedly
dart a 160 power weapon. Spoon is more powerful, but takes far too much time to acquire and can be used only once.
The next most powerful weapon he'd have to dupe and dart would be (IIRC) the Gugnir spear, which is only half as
strong.
I remember having the original cartridge and for some reason Edge had always refused to throw that spoon. A bug??
nitsuja wrote:
Supposedly Edge can steal a Dark Matter from the final boss to greatly reduce the damage all its
attacks do... this is probably worth doing, can maybe get away with less HP that way. Also, I think luck can be
manipulated to get some enemies to drop HP-increasing apples.
Well maybe that Dark Matter may help. I didn't know that item exists even if I beat the game more than once.
nitsuja wrote:
Well, like I said I'm not sure the cleaner one would be more interesting, but I wouldn't mind there being a run for each... I wonder which one would be faster? FF4 has more stuff to abuse, while the FF2 enemies (and status ailments) are easier to deal with.
I don't think it's as easy as you said.
Tilus wrote:
Yeah, I meant easytype, which is the same as what you were doing. I wound up with about the same amount of time as you did (0:58-0:59), so maybe my strategy isn't really any better than yours, but basically what I did was levelled up Rydia a little bit between when I get Tellah in the waterfall cave and the save point where the tent cutscene occurs.. just enough to get high enough level for Rydia to use Lit-2. I would then use the extra MP Rydia gains for extra chocobo summons, which would make the Octomamm, Antlion (it can't counterattack magic, and Chocobo summon is your strongest weapon), and MomBomb fights faster.
Don't worry, Cecil will do a lot of critical hit.
My current speedrunning agenda would look like this:
Enhasa wrote:
secret SNES RPG idea that wouldn't be as annoying to do
Breath of Fire 5
Ico
Ogre Battle
FF2
So, what is that secret run?
And I wish good luck for Ogre Battle because I won't let someone beat me so easily. :P
Vatchern wrote:
NOTE: I may have said im doing alot of these "speed runs", but i wont get the 2P battle toads finished since my partner dont live near me.. Maybe ill leave it to Phil/Genisto.
I will do it alone. Genisto is working on some secret project.
Also, I am wondering, if it will not be best to gain some special items from monsters instead of buying them.
The bug consists of trying to kill the other player but getting out of the way on the last moment so that the punch hits Rat Blarg instead. That hit seems to do the same damage as 15 headbutts would do, so i had to do 1 more using the second player to just finish him off.
Yes, yes. Why you didn't thought of that before :P I also forgot to do that in the 2 player version I have made. Stupid Famtasia with its googleplex of desync that frustrates me and forgot this trick. I've used to do it at full speed, BT & DD, to beat bosses a lot faster.
As for full SMB3, I'd rather enjoy seeing all the powerups in action at some point of game without stupid restrictions. And I'd like to see all levels and all secrets.