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Brandon wrote:
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This is wayyyyy better than smb. I'm still not sure it's worth publishing though. I may have been able to justify a yes vote if i knew it was optimal, but 2 improvements have already been found, and i'm sure there will be more. I am going to vote meh.
Argh, no, Tompa looked through it all and said that's all he could found. Those were totally obscure glitchy optimizations that were near impossible to guess. I already said I would fix these problems before it actually gets published...
Oh, so you're 100% sure there aren't any more improvements?
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CoolKirby wrote:
Wii Remote recording doesn't work, but you might still be able to make a test run using the natural slow speed of Dolphin (savestates will desync the movie).
Save states work mostly fine, that's not the problem. Wiimote recording will desync even without save states.
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This is wayyyyy better than smb. I'm still not sure it's worth publishing though. I may have been able to justify a yes vote if i knew it was optimal, but 2 improvements have already been found, and i'm sure there will be more. I am going to vote meh.
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ais523 wrote:
I'm pretty sure there's a video of a realtime speedrunner speedrunning it to the Master Sword lying around somewhere. Actually completing it within the time limit, though, seems impossible due to all the cutscenes.
There is, and it's terrible. Could probably be done in half the time.
There are not many cut scenes in any% anymore. And the biggest one (the intro) is even removed from the brawl demo. The problem is there's way too much running around. The tas is 19:51. You can save maybe 3 minutes with intro skip, and already having sword+shield, but you're still nowhere near 5 minutes. By the time you get the bottle, you're almost out of time.
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JXQ wrote:
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I could go rate one of your movies 0 if you really want proof that it's possible do something that you think is unreasonable.
Go for it, rate all my TASes zero. Coincidentally, that is the amount of fucks I will give.
(Threatening is a tactic usually associated with bullies, btw)
I was not threatening anything, i was offering to prove to you that it is possible do to something while thinking it is unreasonable.
I never actually had any intention of doing it. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, and you felt attacked by my post. That was not my intention.
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JXQ wrote:
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Are you sure?
rog, thank you for identifying yourself so quickly as someone to not waste time debating things with. It will save me time in the future.
Fabian-style sign-off,
JXQ
I could go rate one of your movies 0 if you really want proof that it's possible do something that you think is unreasonable.
I'm sure they both had a reason to rate it 0, but that does not necessarily mean they thought their reasons were reasonable.
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The person who gave the rating clearly doesn't feel it's unreasonable.
Are you sure?
There's no such thing as an objectively unreasonable rating - all ratings are subjective.
This isn't desert bus, or beetle mania, or watching paint dry. 0 is objectively unreasonable.
It sounds like you're saying it's worse to be criticized than it is to censor someone's critique, because you don't like it. Why is your preference of criticism more important that someone else's ability to voice theirs?
Uh, what? Rating every oot run 0 is a pretty clear case of harassment.
They have every right to criticize the run, but that's not what's going on here.
I'm sure you're intelligent enough to understand the concept of privacy, and consequently the fact that people don't like sharing information about themselves and their preferences to various degrees.
Right, i definitely understand why someone would want to keep their ratings private. And if someone chooses to keep their ratings private, they have every right to do so. However there isn't a need to do so. I highly doubt anyone is going to go around attacking people for low ratings, so long as they are not entirely unreasonable. For example, Saethori has now changed his rating to 2.1 and 8.2. Although his entertainment rating is extremely low, his technical rating is appropriate, and even the entertainment rating is not unreasonably low. I do not agree with his rating, but it is at least reasonable. If he had given that rating in the first place, no one would have called him out for it, and no one would particularly upset with him.
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JXQ wrote:
Back when movie ratings were introduced, there was no option to make them public. When that option was later introduced, everyone was public by default until they marked their votes as private. When this happened, a user saved my public-for-only-a-few-hours voting page, and later proceeded to ask me questions about some of my ratings. Due to this harassment, I eventually removed all my ratings. So I can identify with the victims (yes, victims) here.
However, this behavior isn't confined only to this movie or community. The OoT crowd doesn't have a monopoly on stupid, despite its best efforts. You can also see this pressuring in other submission threads where people ask who voted no, or suggest consequences for doing so. It's been happening for at least as long as I've been around.
This behavior ultimately encourages people to remain secretive with their ratings in the long run, which is the opposite of what I assume SL was trying to accomplish by outing someone's individual rating (aside from the obvious trolling he's always trying to accomplish). Perhaps I've already rated this movie in an effort to cancel out the effect of the bullying.
You don't need to keep your ratings secret if they aren't entirely unreasonable.
And if anyone is a victim, it's the one getting multiple ratings 0 ratings based on things that have nothing to do with the run.
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If he really truly thinks it's as boring as something like watching paint dry, then by all means, he can rate it as such. Somehow i doubt that is the case, but if it is, then fine. All i would ask is that he also give it a technical rating.
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beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
Are not true of this situation.
completely different pieces of work.
Completely different? Give me a break. It's the same game and same goal as a previous run. They are in fact quite similar. You can be reasonably sure that anyone who had strong feelings about the previous run, whether they hated it, or loved it, will feel more or less the same about this one. Sure, it's not exactly the same, so of course some people will have slightly different feelings about it, but all in all, it should entertain people about as much as the previous run.
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Prejudice? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
The word you're looking for is preference. He does not enjoy watching oot tases. That is his preference. And given how much he apparently hates the game, it's silly for him to watch and rate tases of it.
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moozooh wrote:
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You clearly stated earlier on, how much you hated every single OoT TAS, so why are you still watching them and even bother judging them with extrem low ratings? It somehow confuses me.
Let me help you there: he doesn't know in advance whether he'll like it or not.
He must have though. He's rated other oot runs 0 before. If he hated it so much that he thought it deserved a 0, he must have known he'd hate any other run of the game.
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Sure, i do. Though i also knew that before i ever tased a 3d game before. I may not have fully understood exactly how much harder they are than 2d games, but i could imagine the difference. It's not necessary to have a perfect understanding of exactly what was necessary to produce a tas to give it a technical rating. It certainly helps to have tased the particular game before, or at least something similar. But it's not necessary. Ratings are all subjective anyway.
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No one said you have to rate everything 10/10. For example, Feos gave it a 5/10 for enterainment. The difference here is that he gave it a very high technical rating, as it deserved. So although we may disagree with giving it a 5/10, no one at all has a problem with it. Obviously not everyone finds oot as interesting as we do.
If you gave it a slightly less absurd entertainment rating, and a fair technical rating, no would be bothered by your rating.
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jimsfriend wrote:
Wait wait wait. So now we're only supposed to watch and rate a run if we think in advance that we will rate it highly? Then why do we even have a rating system if it's supposed to only be used by people who will rate highly, and not by any user who feels like it?
You should only watch and rate runs that you think you'll rate higher than at least 1 or so, yes. Or at the very least, if you're going to do so anyway, give a (fair) technical rating as well.
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Re: timing
Of course timing ends at the last input, regardless of whether the game is beat at that time. However, in this case, the goal is to die as fast as possible, and ending input early to stand around and wait for something to hit him goes against that goal. He could have died faster by running into an enemy. It would still be appropriate to end input as the earliest frame that allows him to die without losing time.
Voting no for that reason.
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Saethori wrote:
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I have a hard time believing you watched the entire 2 hour run and still thought it deserved a .1 entertainment rating. If it was really that bad, you would/should have stopped watching long before the end.
Should have, yes. But I can hardly be objective that way, now can I?
Sure you can. If it's so bad that you cannot even stand to finish it, then it obviously deserves a very low rating.
