Impressive. Two questions:
1) Would you use the Goron Punch to break all the snowballs after the bomb staircase?
2) What does more damage: normal arrows or the Goron Spiked roll? If it's the latter, wouldn't it be smarter to use the Goron method of killing Goht? (considering that you can replenish magic and avoid the lightning without losing time thanks to tools)
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comicalflop wrote:
Um, I don't want to start an argument, but doesn't that suggest that unpopular, unoptimized movies are published?
No, it doesn't. It suggests that we accept movies based on entertainment and supposed perfection. It suggests that we do not accept runs just because they are of popular games. It suggest that we won't accept any run just because it is optimised.
Also, people need to stop being afraid to start "arguments," namely because they are actually starting "debates."
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laughing_gas, do you own one of those bobbing bird things that will bob forever if you put water in them? Do you watch it for days on end, because you find it entertaining?
Repetition is the enemy of entertainment. We should all stand up against the vile tyrrany of the repetetive bourgoise!
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OK, so this is basically a compilation of everyone agreeing that this run is repetetive, has bad goals, and should only be accepted because it's an N64 game with a big fan base. Draw your own conclusions, and keep in mind that people not quoted here still found the run entertaining.
JXQ wrote:
This game does not make a good TAS. It's repetitive, and the "suck someone in and fall with them" is boring.
I see no reason to vote yes on a run that is repetitive like this, even if it "has to be", or if there are other published runs that are repetitive. (stupid reasons btw)
Mukki wrote:
I'd hate to think that this game is unsuited to TASing. It has such a large fanbase and so it has the potential to have many movies made of it.
And I'm not arguing that the fact that there is repetitveness in other runs is a reason to publish this, I'm saying that the repetitiveness of this run should not stand in its way.
Mukki wrote:
I've watched it. I enjoyed it. Yes, one could argue that it is repetitive, but I've seen many published runs that you could say these same things about.
As you know I'm big on seeing new N64 TASes and this is definitely good enough (also N64 runs are coming up on the workbench frequently now, which is great).
moozooh wrote:
The movie is well optimized, but I don't see anything interesting or surprising in it; it isn't even remotely as interesting as simply playing this game.
Zurreco wrote:
Like moozooh said, this traded off too much speed for such a small improvement in variety. I found this run to be pretty boring and predictable, save the Metal Mario fight. Personally, I liked nico's Fox run much more, since it was fast enough that the repetition wasn't a huge detractor.
DeHackEd wrote:
Slightly repetative, but I guess there's not much you can do about that.
DK64_MASTER wrote:
a bit repetitive.
Vidar wrote:
the game itself can't really have "variety" which other people are asking for.
So with that said, having this run as a score/speed run is fine until someone can think of a better idea that won't be boring, "slow", or both.
Bag of Magic Food wrote:
I admit that I still don't get the point of "highest score in fastest time". To me it sounds like comicalflop was trying for just the absolute highest score, but got lazy, and eventually settled for pretty-high scores that didn't take as long to achieve.
Twelvepack wrote:
Neither won as fast as possable, nor did it maximize score. Points per second feels like a bad idea, pick one goal, and put it first.
mwl wrote:
I voted "meh" for precisely this reason, even though the run was well-executed given its nonstandard category. Quite frankly, I don't see the point of this -- the standard "time attack" and "score attack" runs already cover all bases.
upthorn wrote:
Repetetive + poor choice of goals, if not poor choice of game.
Super Smash Brothers is fun to play, but the limited moveset makes it less fun to watch.
thegreginator wrote:
The one problem that I have is, as others have stated, that the goal is pretty unclear/unusual. I think that if this run is to be obsoleted, it should be done so by a higher score, even if it's much slower.
psychoticworm wrote:
Comicalflops 'points per frame' TAS run may not be as entertaining, not as much as this vid is, but it DOES accomplish something that is set up in the game. the game has a scoring system, and a time system.
hero of the day wrote:
I agree that the goals are not clear, this should be a run that only goes for high score without regards to the time.
AKA wrote:
Also if this gets rejected then it means that the chances of anyone else either
A: trying a run of Smash Bros
B: getting a run accepted
are very low indeed.
BoltR wrote:
Why you chose to make this run, and not a Break The Targets/Board the Platforms run is beyond me.
Baxter wrote:
I think a "everything gets accepted if it has some kind of goal, and played some kind of game with a new record"-strategy would take away the feeling I have with the site.
Sastopher wrote:
To that, I'd like to add how the run doesn't showcase what makes the game so fun and entertaining. Despite its lack of goals or guidelines, I would much, much rather watch the 3v1 linked on youtube posted earlier in the thread.
Twelvepack wrote:
I really dont see why runs as good as that fox fast clear one are allowed to die... There is something seriously wrong with the submission process here if that fox run was rejected.
Anon wrote:
While well-made and extremely impressive in terms of manipulating luck, this is probably one of the most repetitive runs that I've ever seen.
What I got from all of that is, basically, that comicalflop's run was well done, but terribly repetetive and misguided. People want to get this published because it is SSB; not because it was the most entertaining run possible, but because they want more N64 runs/a run of SSB in general. In fact, more impressive runs of SSB (nico's Fox run) were rejected, so why should this one be accepted?
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AKA wrote:
OK no/meh voters if the choice of goals was so poor then what should of been choosen, 5 bucks says no one in that catagory can suggest anything better.
Pure speed. Many people have said that they preferred nico's Fox run to this.
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OgreSlayeR wrote:
This should just be accepted or rejected. (It probably will be rejected I think.) There's more than enough feedback for a judge to make a decision.
It's been tossed around in IRC a bit. No one wants to reject a run with so many yes votes (though so few are explained), but no one wants to accept the run either.
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bkDJ wrote:
Votes are like court trials in that majority is correct, if I learned anything today. so yeah I vote GB is the better and more fitting abbreviation to be used when referring to GameBoy games.
Not only that, but DMG is misleading. It's win-win to use GBx instead.
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You'll never be able to delete it now!
So let's take a vote: All in favor of referring to the Game Boy series as GBx, post in this thread. All in favor of referring to the Game Boy series based on random and irrelevantly useless codes devised in some dusty backwater programming room, post somewhere else.
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Poor adelikat...
<adelikat> and I have to watch what I say on irc
<adelikat> it seems to always end up in the forum
...
<NesVideoAgent> New reply by upthorn (OT: Discussion about DMG abbreviation): http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/107688
<Zurreco> poor adelikat
<adelikat> :(
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Can we please stop saying that the tricks in the video are impossible? Everything can be done in real time. Nothing in this movie requires tools other than savestates. It's not like 30Hz movements were seen or anything.
For the record, I'm honestly surprised that this movie's votes is considered 100% confident, considering we havent seen ~50 people state their claims in this thread. I understand that it's an arbitrary formula, but this proves that the concept of a confident vote can't be supported so simply.
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Tub wrote:
wow. Now Zurreco has found a way to turn Nach into a convenient instrument to increase his post counter.
It's not about post count: Nach wasn't man enough to finish the debate, so I gave him a few chances to redeem himself.
Also:
<Fabian_> JXQ is stupid lol
<Fabian_> and he'll never see this hahahaha
