I don't care how much evidence you present to me, I'm still not going to do a Jedi mode TAS. It took 138,000 rerecords and roughly 6 months to do easy mode, could you imagine how long Jedi mode would take, with additional enemies? Just for an inferior product? No thank you.
I've had enough of this meaningless arguing, so from now on I'll just be ignoring any post you make involving difficulty choice. Let me know if you learn how to, what do they say, drop it.
TaylorTotFTW wrote:
sick TAS. easy yes vote
Thank you :)
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jlun2 wrote:
Can someone actually show game play as "evidence" that hard mode severly kills entertainment?
Why do you need evidence? I already told you why.
arandomgameTASer wrote:
Ok, I guess I poorly explained that.
Jedi Mode in the Super Star Wars games are not suitable for TASing because:
*They give bosses more HP
*You take more damage
*more enemies spawn
So point #1 means all the bosses are slower, #2 means less cool speed tricks, and #3 means more lag optimization, just for a movie that is virtually identical to the Easy Mode, only slower.
So in the interest of entertainment and speed, for this run in particular, I decided that Easy mode is the best option. Obviously the use of hardest difficulty should be different based on the run.
So no, I'm not going to show a demonstration of Jedi mode, because a TAS of Jedi mode is never going to happen. If you want to see the differences just look up a let's play of it or something.
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Tangent wrote:
What speed tricks would have to be foregone here on a higher difficulty? Only rarely does health dip under half. That doesn't seem to be a limiting factor.
Sorry I forgot, you're an expert at this game. Jedi mode updates damage taken MAJORLY, so yes it would actually affect the tricks used. That Sail Barge fight? Way slower. The frog skip? Ain't happening. General cool stuff that makes this game fun to watch? Yeah right.
Tangent wrote:
but I strongly disagree with the reasons given for why a lesser difficulty was chosen and believe that a slower run on a harder difficulty should obsolete this, regardless of speed.
Sucks for you.
Archanfel wrote:
Great run btw.
Thank you, loved that Lost Vikings TAS by the way.
Mothrayas wrote:
I don't know why people are making such a big issue out of this. We get a more interesting run this way, so why force the change?
^
I'm not going to comment about the difficulty setting any more, so bugger off if you feel like contesting that point further. Any comments pertaining to actual improvements to the run, or just what you thought, are of course welcome.
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Tangent wrote:
I'd like you to explain why those are appropriate reasons to choose a lower difficulty for this game, but not appropriate reasons to choose a lower difficulty for other games.
I don't give a crap about other games, that's for a different topic. All I told you was why I chose the difficulty for this game in particular.
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Tangent wrote:
The question was raised about why a lower difficulty was chosen, at least one seems to be the complete opposite of a valid reason for choosing a lower difficulty in a ton of other games.
1) A harder difficulty is slower
2) A harder difficulty is less entertaining
3) A harder difficulty is harder to TAS
How much clearer do you want me to be? Would you like me to write a thesis on the pros and cons of each difficulty while I'm at it?
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Tangent wrote:
Yep. And since we've already established that there are a lot more differences in difficulty than simply enemy/boss HP, I'd do it again in a heartbeat.
How about you? Which of those runs should be obsoleted by a run on an easier difficulty because that'd be much easier to make than on hard, and faster, while showing the same basic play?
Ok I'm not going to have this argument with you. If you feel like there's some sort of problem with the difficulty I chose, that's your deal. I've given you ample reason why I chose Easy mode over Hard, and Masterjun has already explained why it's allowed via the site rules, so please stop derailing the thread on something that's already explained.
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Tangent wrote:
Why would we mandate that chess TASes have to be on hard for a product that would be EXACTLY THE SAME as if it was an easier difficulty, only slower?
What chess TASes? You mean the ones that aren't published? Pretty poor example, tbh.
The point is that Hardest difficulty in this game is boring, and stupid. There is zero reason for me to TAS on the hardest difficulty.
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Tangent wrote:
Having fewer enemies seems like it'd be precisely a reason to NOT choose an easier difficulty, not a reason for it.
I manipulate as many enemies as possible away anyway, so why would I want to do more work for a product that would be exactly the same as this run, only slower? Pretty stupid if you ask me.
I shouldn't have to harp on this.
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jlun2 wrote:
Ok, isn't that the entire point of hardest difficulty? Seriously, of course easy mode will be fastest. How come no one bothered questioning this? By that logic, might as well quickly do a TAS of a game, say spongebob and obsolete it by using the easiest difficulty.
Ok, I guess I poorly explained that.
Jedi Mode in the Super Star Wars games are not suitable for TASing because:
*They give bosses more HP
*You take more damage
*more enemies spawn
So point #1 means all the bosses are slower, #2 means less cool speed tricks, and #3 means more lag optimization, just for a movie that is virtually identical to the Easy Mode, only slower.
So in the interest of entertainment and speed, for this run in particular, I decided that Easy mode is the best option. Obviously the use of hardest difficulty should be different based on the run.
See the discussion thread on http://tasvideos.org/3779S.html and the judgement ruling for more info on that, as this applies to all of the SSW games.
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Raelcun wrote:
This doesn't actually matter. You're arguing over something that isn't important at all.
-The way that Spike wrote it is recognizable to anyone familiar with Tekken.
-You admitted in the other thread you weren't familiar to Tekken so you prefer a different notation.
-They both get the information across to people who want to know, and if someone doesn't understand what Spike's means, they can find out very easily.
-Arguing over this is actually pointless. Stop telling people that they're wrong when the information is interchangeable.
^All of this. This seriously needs to stop ALAKTORN. You're being a complete asshole to everyone just to try to prove that you're right.
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Watched the livestream of this. It was highly entertaining, and I'd say it's worth making another branch for (Remember, only any% and 100% have a category so far).
Yes vote.
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Thanks for the link, but the notation being on some website online doesn’t stop it from being wrong. Again, I tell you, pick up the emulator and do what’s written there. The move won’t come out.
Ok sure discredit an official source because you're ALAKTORN and you obviously know everything there is to know about Tekken.
....Despite the fact that you don't know anything about it, as shown from the previously http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17114 gruefooded topic where you went on a tangent over a fucking move that was obviously optimized because you pretended you knew what you were talking about.
I realize that you're baiting everyone by pretending to be retarded, I do get that.
But the only question is, why are you doing that? Why choose to be viewed as an asshole by everybody you ever meet on these forums? Seems like a stupid idea to me, just saying.
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Gay wrote:
I put up the dsm. And really, I don't know what I can say. Your runs have a history of having mediocre to average levels of optimization. And then try to lie out of it. When are you going to learn? It seems every movie you're doing has great errors. I think you are needing some practice.
Woah, hold up. He is not a lazy TASer, as shown by his contributions to Coca-Cola Kid, and the level of optimization he put into Pokemon Platinum. Don't automatically assume he sucks at optimization because he missed one thing.
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TheAxeMan wrote:
While flying in to the Death Star with the Falcon it looks like you bumped into the walls. Does this not slow you down or did you not really bump or is there some other explanation?
Ah that one time during the descent into the core, you mean? Couldn't avoid it.
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