Big ups for this one. I did a test recording and after fumbling around (had to format the cards before use), I can confirm that F-Zero GX does save to the separate cards when told to. I have game data and garage data on one card and garage data on a second card.
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Until this issue gets resolved, I won't be making a verification file. This is due to OpenGL improperly rendering cutscenes in F-Zero GX and other games. Why not use Direct X? Because Lightning's Rain effects are improperly rendered when you use Direct X.
http://code.google.com/p/dolphin-emu/issues/detail?id=6914
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From Mothrays on IRC:
[10:35] <Mothrayas> hegyak: I'd say it's acceptable for the verification movie, especially considering RTA runs are expected to use it to unlock the parts
[10:37] <Mothrayas> as long as the verification movie uses a legit and well documented code and provides a save that doesn't have anything aside from unlocked/bought stuff
So, onward to beating Story Mode. Because the cheats for that are NOT working for me. :(
I will probably go, and beat mission one on normal then hard then very hard. I will have to earn tickets to buy the story missions so we keep in the exact ruling from Mothrays.
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If you record a movie with two memory cards inserted into a Gamecube, Dolphin only writes the data for the card in Slot A. Even if data is saved to Slot B.
To recreate:
Start recording F-Zero GX with two memory cards inserted. Set your pilot name to anything. Go into the Customize Menu. Select Garage. Select Slot B for Garage Data. Dolphin will "save" to Slot B but won't actually save anything at all. Dolphin does save anything put into Slot A's memory card though.
Movie file can be created on demand.
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niamek wrote:
From what I recall, Ilari told me that the N64 is programmed in a way that is much harder to emulate, or even do a game than a Gamecube.
It's not a question of power of the console, it's a question of coding headaches.
Warning: I may be wrong, someone would need to valid my statements.
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feos wrote:
There's a little problem with cheats. It's possible to patch some bytes that would affect gameplay in a subtle way, leading to unfair advantages. We all know what corrupted SRAM can do.
That would be very interesting to see happen, though not for a "normal" TAS.
I used the cheats off of F-Zero Central's site and I would assume they don't allow something that makes the "cheating" player's game have any kind of advantage/disadvantage.
I don't even know how you would corrupt F-Zero GX's saves and make the game go crazy weird. It would be one heck of an impressive trick to say the least.
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To clarifiy:
I want to use Action Replay Cheats to unlock everything in F-Zero GX. After everything is unlocked and a save on the memory card is made, cheats are disabled and a real TAS is made. Cheats are ONLY used on the verification movie and will NOT and will NEVER be used on the submission movie.
To compare to F-Zero Central's Rules:
Cheats are allowed, so long as they are used to unlock everything only. No infinite boost/energy or other cheats allowed on the World Record tables or ladder.
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Kurabupengin,
try this:
Delete everything from the Bizhawk folder except for your ROM folder. Then re-extract/install Bizhawk again. It should fix things.
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I think I found the answer. Though I don't like what it means.
If the control stick is moved quickly left and right while recording, Dolphin desyncs.
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=6CB70BB11DAA74!12485&authkey=!AMktKirGQH3ggJ4&ithint=file%2c.dtm
That movie file shows it in action. It happens at the quick right/left turn before the Pit Area (purple/pink thing). I have been trying to avoid doing that action and no desyncs.
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Scepheo wrote:
On another note; I'm not actually sure the snaking table is correct. Sure, these machines are good, but they're good for human snaking. I think quite some testing will be needed before we know what's fastest.
Everyone should feel free to use my Cheat movie that gets everything then test to your heart's content.
Edit:
Can anyone test if recording Snaking with Dolphin works? I think quick motions with the analog stick while recording causes desyncs.
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OOB. Also, there's a trick due to setting your clock to December 25th (?) freezes the water. This will allow you to take major shortcuts. The Speed runs I have seen use/abuse this.
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Even more has happened recently.
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15421
Another thing, both the Don't-Cheat-First and Cheat-First runs will require a second memory card. Why? So we can play with ALL the fun custom vehicles at once.
We will need three garage slots for the Max Speed table, four for the Snaking table. The game with two memory cards, allows for eight custom machines. So, we can fit it. Maximum Dragon is on both Max Speed (HOW?!) and Space Flying tables.
Machine parts order: Machine Name, Body, Cockpit, Booster, Pilot
Gallant Star-G4
Dread Hammer
Maximum Star
Titan -G4
Anyone
Maximum Dragon
Speedy Dragon
Maximum Star
Sunrise 140
Anyone
Quick Star-G4
Speedy Dragon
Maximum Star
Titan -G4
Anyone
Omega Gantlet-V2
Dread Hammer
Maximum Star
Thunderbolt -V2
Anyone
Tornado Condor-V2
Brave Eagle
Combat Cannon
Thunderbolt -V2
Anyone
Tornado Wyvern-V2
Speedy Dragon
Combat Cannon
Thunderbolt -V2
Anyone
Omega Condor-V2
Brave Eagle
Maximum Star
Thunderbolt -V2
Anyone
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feos wrote:
If something is otherwise unlockable, the cheat code doesn't simplify the action, or even increases the difficulty, surely that cheat code can be used. Yes, I didn't read the thread.
Did I read that as, "Yes, you can cheat in this game so long as it's unlocking stuff" Or am I getting wishful?
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Weatherton wrote:
I think you should unlock everything possible without the cheats with a verification movie. Then follow the steps on fzerocentral to get the Japan-exclusive unobtainable parts as a single step and consider that part of the verification movie. The use of action replay should be as minimal as possible; a single step with very clear, well-documented results used to align with the speedrunning community.
I was thinking about doing this, but, there's a problem. I and/or other players need to do ALL of this:
•Unlock the Diamond Cup
You have to finish the Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald cup in 1st place in Standard.
•Unlock the AX Cup
Finish first in Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, and Diamond cups on Master class. (Holy crow). Or, head to an arcade which as F-Zero AX, put your gamecube memory card into it, and place first in *each* AX course you want to unlock for F-Zero GX.
•Unlock the bonus Mute City: Sonic Oval course
Place first in the AX cup on any difficulty.
•Unlockable Ships
The following ships are available after beating a story mode on a specific difficulty setting.
All (Normal): Deathborn
All (Hard): Spade
Chapter 1 (Very Hard): Rainbow Phoenix
Chapter 2 (Very Hard): Spark Moon
Chapter 3 (Very Hard): Rolling Turtle
Chapter 4 (Very Hard): Fat Shark
Chapter 5 (Very Hard): Cosmic Dolphin
Chapter 6 (Very Hard): Silver Rat
Chapter 7 (Very Hard): Pink Spider
Chapter 8 (Very Hard): Bunny Flash
Chapter 9 (Very Hard): Groovy Taxi
•Unlockable Parts
Beat Any Cup 6 Times on Standard to get parts (several)
Beat Any Cup 6 Times on Novice to get Parts (Several)
Brave Eagle, Wonder Worm, Euros -01: Beat the Diamond Cup on Expert.
Speedy Dragon,Garnet Ph.,Thunderbolt -V2 Beat the Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald Cups on Expert mode.
Megalo Cruiser, Heat Snake, Impulse 220: Complete story chapter 3 on hard mode.
Giant Planet, Dark Chaser, Extreme -ZZ: Complete story chapter 4 on hard mode.
Holy Spider, Red Rex, Bluster -X: Complete story chapter 5 on hard mode.
Space Cancer, Spark Bird, Punisher -4X Complete story chapter 6 on hard mode.
Wild Chariot, Combat Cannon, Triangle -GT Complete story chapter 7 on hard mode.
Dread Hammer, Crystal Egg, Meteor RR: Complete story chapter 8 on hard mode.
Splash Whale, Sonic Soldier, Devifish -RX Complete story chapter 9 on hard mode.
Then we can cheat to get those missing parts.
My plan is to unlock but not purchase all the staff ghosts for the first three cups then probably do GP runs since Story mission cost money (in game) to be unlocked.
I did make a "Use Cheats" Movie file to unlock everything real fast. It syncs.
Edit:
The cheat movie file. It's short but gets the job done.
http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/15186493547809605
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I am not good enough to make a full TAS. I am willing to do TAS some tracks for Time Attack but not the whole thing. And I have been asking repeatedly "What do we want to do?" Are we going to do everything (GP, Time Attack and Story) or some of it? I know people wanted to TAS story mode on Very Hard (since it is HARD). I would like to do GP on Master (since it's hard?) and Time Attack should be done
The cheat for unlock all Story Missions does NOT work correctly. The Unlock Staff Ghosts, Vehicles, Cups and Beat All Cups codes, do work. You will need to save the game data after using the cheats or you won't have the unlocked items. The Unlock Parts Cheat appears to unlock parts in the store but does not buy them.
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I wanted to ask, is a TAS allowed to use cheats if the speed running community at large allows it?
In particular, I ask because F-Zero Central has and allows cheats to unlock everything in the game. These cheats do NOT allow skill to be replaced. You still have to drive/play well to get on the leaderboards.
What I wanted to do is have a TAS Verification movie that uses the Action Replay cheats, unlocks everything all at once and then let better players do their TAS thing using everything cheats gave us.
In addition, there is game content in F-Zero GX which you *cannot unlock* unless you use Action Replay.
5. The use of cheat devices such as Action Replay are forbidden on the ladder. If it is suspected that a cheat device has been used then that player will have their times removed from the ladder.
Note: An exception is made on this game as Action Replay is the only method available to a majority of players to unlock the Japanese parts. players should use the AR only once when unlocking them.
What's the deal with the custom parts in the Japanese version?
Yes, there are 15 parts to make custom ships available only in the Japanese version of F-Zero GX and only if you participated in the event where they were given away (they can't be unlocked there normally either). You can, however, use Action Replay to unlock them on your file. Enjoy.
http://www.fzerocentral.org/viewtopic.php?t=279
I am NOT asking for all games to allow cheats. I just want parity with F-Zero Central. Otherwise, we can not count our times against the Max Speed, Space Flying and Snaking WRs. We can compete against Max Speed (Non-Custom) WRs without using cheats to unlock everything.
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wxb wrote:
I hope this doesn't sound like a silly question but, were those songs just something added for the encode or are they actually part of this version? I've never played any of the home ports but that made me curious.
The first song surprised me a little at first but not near as much as the third.
The second song is in game. City Escape (?) is from Sonic Adventure 2 and is not in this game. The third song is from somewhere.
The music choices were made due to overzealous copyrights on Youtube.
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