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Posted: 5/6/2006 3:25 AM
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mwl
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Very well done, Guano! Can someone knowledgeable please put up the things that need to be done in ST? http://mwlin.freehostia.com/wiki/index.php?title=Spirit_Temple&action=edit Here's what I'm aware of: Kazooie's shortcuts FierceLinkMaster's Beamos shortcut Get 20 Rupees from Armos in Callout 2 Before ST, you need to exit and learn the RS before going back in. I expect that Segment One will be done in just under 35 minutes. Segment Three is about 15 minutes, leaving 70 minutes to do all of Segment Two if we're aiming for under two hours. Maybe it's possible after all... @Andypro - Savestates work perfectly. Thanks.
Posted: 5/5/2006 4:20 AM
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I've put up the finalized (for now) testrun route in pretty table format, with each and every step filled in for GuanoBowl. I've also included VIDEOS for every major trick. Testrun Route If you notice, there is a very nice video of the lens-less Wasteland route by AKA, and it looks pretty much optimized. Only one video is missing, and that's the Poe boost (which will be much, much later) [Edit by Bisqwit: Removed extravagant markup]
Posted: 5/4/2006 1:38 AM
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Just four segments now. Yes, AKA's proposal is faster, and I made a mistake last night as well -- the additional savewarp after JJ is not faster. Theoretical Best Route - Tool-assisted Segment 1 1. Link's House (Exit) 2. Kokiri Forest (Get Kokiri Sword; Collect Rupees) 3. Kokiri Shop (Buy Deku Shield) 4. Kokiri Forest (Mido/Tree dialogues) 5. Inside the Deku Tree (Text skips) 6. Kokiri Forest (Savewarp) Items obtained: Kokiri Sword, Deku Shield, Deku Sticks, Fairy Slingshot, Kokiri Emerald Segment 2 1. Link's House (Exit) 2. Kokiri Forest (Get Fairy Ocarina) 3. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to Valley) 4. Gerudo Valley (Cucco Jump) 5. Gerudo Fortress (Gate slash) 6. Haunted Wasteland (Quicksand crossing; Lens-less Poe route) 7. Desert Colossus (To Spirit) 8. Spirit Temple (Exit immediately) 9. Desert Colossus (Learn Requiem; Reenter Temple) 10. Spirit Temple (Get Bombchus/Silver Gauntlets) 11. Desert Colossus (Savewarp) Items obtained: Fairy Ocarina, Golden Scale, Bottle, Requiem, Bombchu, Silver Gauntlets Segment 3 - Child Portion 1. Link's House (Exit) 2. Kokiri Forest (Exit) 3. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to castle gates) 4. Market (Exit) 5. Hyrule Castle (Bombchu boost across moat) 6. Castle Courtyard (Get Lullaby) 7. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to Lake) 8. Lake Hylia (Get 20 Rupees) 9. Fishing Pond (Get Golden Scale) 10. Lake Hylia (Retrieve bottle with letter) 11. Zora's Domain (Show King bottle) 12. Zora's Fountain (Bomb boost into Jabu-Jabu) 13. Inside Lord Jabu-Jabu's Belly (Tentacle skips) 14. Zora's Fountain (Leave) 15. Zora's Domain (Jump down waterfall) 16. Zora's River (Warp to Lost Woods) 17. Lost Woods (Navigate to SFM) 18. Sacred Forest Meadow (Get Saria's Song) 19. Lost Woods (to Goron City warp) 20. Goron City (Exit through main entrance) 21. Death Mountain Trail (Open Dodongo's Cavern) 22. Dodongo's Cavern (Bombchu eyes) 23. Death Mountain Trail (To summit) 24. Great Fairy's Fountain (Get Magic Meter) 25. Death Mountain Trail (Ride Owl to Village) 26. Kakariko Village (Cucco dive) 27. Bottom of the Well (Restock Bombchus) 28. Kakariko Village (Exit) 29. Hyrule Field (Get Ocarina of Time) 30. Market (To Temple) 31. Temple of Time (Pull Master Sword) Items obtained: Boomerang, Zora's Sapphire, Saria's Song, Goron's Ruby, Magic Meter, Bombchus, Ocarina of Time, Song of Time, Master Sword, Light Medallion Segment 3 - Adult Portion 1. Temple of Time (Chamber of Sages cutscene) 2. Market (Exit) 3. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to Village) 4. Kakariko Village (to Graveyard) 5. Graveyard (Open Dampe's tomb) 6. ??? (Get squished by exit door after race) 7. Graveyard (Poe/Bombchu boosts; Sidehop) 8. Shadow Temple (Get Boss Key without Din's) 9. Graveyard (Exit) 10. KV (Exit through open gate) 11. Death Mountain Trail 12. Goron City 13. Lost Woods 14. Sacred Forest Meadow 15. Forest Temple (Get bow and play requiem) 16. Desert Colossus (Balkwalk to Spirit) 17. Spirit Temple (Iron Knuckle skip; Get Mirror Shield) 18. Desert Colossus (Savewarp) Items obtained: Hookshot, Hylian Shield, Hover Boots, Shadow Medallion, Fairy Bow, Mirror Shield, Spirit Medallion Segment 4 1. Temple of Time (Get Light arrows) 2. Market 3. Ganon's Castle (Rainbow Bridge cutscene) 4. Inside Ganon's Castle (Barrier skip) 5. Ganon's Tower 6. Ganondorf Battle 7. Escape 8. Ganon Battle Items obtained: Light arrows To GuanoBowl: Since Mupen64 does NOT currently have soft resets, for now just die and continue to make things easier. The first savewarp can be ignored for now, while for the second and third you can simply get hit by Leevers around the Colossus until you die. Since you are not picking up any additional heart containers/pieces (you won't need them), you should die pretty quickly. Also, please make a savestate each time you enter a major dungeon/area and include those with your movie so that we can continue watching from the previous update rather than starting all the way from the beginning. Thanks.
Posted: 5/4/2006 1:03 AM
(Edited: 5/4/2006 1:23 AM)
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No, the new save state will start at the intro screen. Re: Below post - Mupen64 does not currently have soft resets.
Posted: 5/3/2006 8:19 AM
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Theoretical Best Route - Tool-assisted Segment 1 1. Link's House (Exit) 2. Kokiri Forest (Get Kokiri Sword; Collect Rupees) 3. Kokiri Shop (Buy Deku Shield) 4. Kokiri Forest (Mido/Tree dialogues) 5. Inside the Deku Tree (Text skips) 6. Kokiri Forest (Savewarp) Items obtained: Kokiri Sword, Deku Shield, Deku Sticks, Fairy Slingshot, Kokiri Emerald Segment 2 1. Link's House (Exit) 2. Kokiri Forest (Get Fairy Ocarina) 3. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to Lake) 4. Lake Hylia (Get 20 Rupees) 5. Fishing Pond (Get Golden Scale) 6. Lake Hylia (Retrieve bottle with letter) 7. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to Valley) 8. Gerudo Valley (Cucco Jump) 9. Gerudo Fortress (Gate slash) 10. Haunted Wasteland (Quicksand crossing; Lens-less Poe route) 11. Desert Colossus (To Spirit) 12. Spirit Temple (Exit immediately) 13. Desert Colossus (Learn Requiem; Reenter Temple) 14. Spirit Temple (Get Bombchus/Silver Gauntlets) 15. Desert Colossus (Savewarp) Items obtained: Fairy Ocarina, Golden Scale, Bottle, Requiem, Bombchu, Silver Gauntlets Segment 3 1. Link's House (Exit) 2. Kokiri Forest (Exit) 3. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to castle gates) 4. Market (Exit) 5. Hyrule Castle (Bombchu boost across moat) 6. Castle Courtyard (Get Lullaby) 7. Hyrule Field (Savewarp) Items Obtained: Lullaby Segment 4 1. Link's House (Exit) 2. Kokiri Forest (To Lost Woods) 3. Lost Woods (To Zora's River warp) 4. Zora's River (Open entrance to Domain) 5. Zora's Domain (Show King bottle) 6. Zora's Fountain (Bomb boost into Jabu-Jabu) 7. Inside Lord Jabu-Jabu's Belly (Tentacle skips) 8. Zora's Fountain (Savewarp) Items obtained: Boomerang, Zora's Sapphire Segment 5 - Child Portion 1. Link's House 2. Kokiri Forest 3. Lost Woods 4. Sacred Forest Meadow (Get Saria's Song) 5. Lost Woods (to Goron City warp) 6. Goron City (Exit through main entrance) 7. Death Mountain Trail (Open Dodongo's Cavern) 8. Dodongo's Cavern (Bombchu eyes) 9. Death Mountain Trail (To summit) 10. Great Fairy's Fountain (Get Magic Meter) 11. Death Mountain Trail (Ride Owl to Village) 12. Kakariko Village (Cucco dive) 13. Bottom of the Well (Restock Bombchus) 14. Kakariko Village (Exit) 15. Hyrule Field (Get Ocarina of Time) 16. Market (To Temple) 17. Temple of Time (Warp to future) Items obtained: Saria's Song, Goron's Ruby, Magic Meter, Bombchus, Ocarina of Time, Song of Time, Master Sword, Light Medallion Segment 5 - Adult Portion 1. Temple of Time (Sacred Realm cutscene) 2. Market (Exit) 3. Hyrule Field (Backwalk to Village) 4. Kakariko Village (to Graveyard) 5. Graveyard (Open Dampe's tomb) 6. ??? (Get squished by exit door after race) 7. Graveyard (Poe/Bombchu boosts; Sidehop) 8. Shadow Temple (Get Boss Key without Din's) 9. Graveyard (Exit) 10. KV (Exit through open gate) 11. Death Mountain Trail 12. Goron City 13. Lost Woods 14. Sacred Forest Meadow 15. Forest Temple (Get bow and play requiem) 16. Desert Colossus (Balkwalk to Spirit) 17. Spirit Temple (Iron Knuckle skip; Get Mirror Shield) 18. Desert Colossus (Savewarp) Items obtained: Hookshot, Hylian Shield, Hover Boots, Shadow Medallion, Fairy Bow, Mirror Shield, Spirit Medallion Segment 6 1. Temple of Time (Get Light arrows) 2. Market 3. Ganon's Castle (Rainbow Bridge cutscene) 4. Inside Ganon's Castle (Barrier skip) Items obtained: Light arrows
Posted: 5/3/2006 12:03 AM
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"Get the Bolero of Fire to warp back from" - No. "You need to get heart pieces for underwater segments" - No. We skip Fire and Water temples. "If you have such a low bandwidth that you need to split up 100KB files into 20KB segments..." - the segments are about 30 KB per minute. The files will be much bigger than 100 KB, and they should be split up per my instructions. "Savewarps aren't allowed" - I don't see where the rules say that. The optimal route is what will be used...and if that involves, savewarping, so be it.
Posted: 5/2/2006 11:52 PM
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How about you keep quiet, Zurreco? Every post you make reveals how ignorant you are about this whole run.
Posted: 5/2/2006 3:24 AM
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Um, no? .v64 is a perfectly valid extension for N64 roms.
Posted: 5/2/2006 3:09 AM
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GuanoBowl, make sure you use Legend of Zelda, The - Ocarina of Time (U) (V1.0) [!].v64
Posted: 5/2/2006 12:09 AM
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Please use the v1.0 ROM. I can tell you where to get it if you need. EDIT - Since this is a test run, I'd recommend that you just go on. You can get the every-second optimization when you do the final run.
Posted: 5/1/2006 6:42 AM
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You often get ammunition too. Deku seeds, for example. You should have just gotten the 20 from Mido on your way out of the forest. Sigh.
Posted: 5/1/2006 5:35 AM
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GuanoBowl wrote:
Also, I believe the soft reset, and save and quit feature shouldnt be allowed....No reason. just a suggestion.
The optimal route requires glitching through the gate to the Wasteland. Unfortunately, this only works in one direction -- no way back has been discovered yet. Therefore, a single-segment run is not doable; you have to savewarp. The next best route isn't much of an improvement over TSA's five-hour run.
Posted: 5/1/2006 4:54 AM
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Zurreco wrote:
Segmenting gives coders a chance to start coding soft resets? How does that logic work? Furthermore, if you have such a low bandwidth that you need to split up ~100KB files into multiple 20KB files, you probably wouldn't be able to navigate this forum well enough to learn about the test run, much less get the emulator and ROM.
It's 345 KB for a 13' segment. Later segments will be much longer.
Posted: 5/1/2006 4:44 AM
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Zurreco wrote:
This is a no no. Either you wait for resets to be recorded effectively, you save and then die, or you forget about all of these shortcuts. Segmenting isn't allowed, last time I checked.
Who cares? This is only a test run. Segmenting keeps the files smaller so that people with low bandwidth can still download them. Besides, this is a chance for those Mupen64 coders to get off their bums and start coding the soft resets before the real deal comes out.
Posted: 5/1/2006 4:29 AM
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Yes, you get it in segment 2. Segment 2 begins in Link's House. From there, backflip out, then get the red rupee from Mido's house. After that you can leave the forest and proceed towards the fishing pond.
Posted: 5/1/2006 4:20 AM
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Right after the Kokiri Emerald cutscene. So, as soon as you regain control of yourself, save the game and quit. Make a new save state at the file-loading screen and start a new movie file. This "savewarp" allows skipping of the Mido dialogue and backtracking across the forest.
Posted: 5/1/2006 3:38 AM
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Wow, this is looking pretty darn good! Note that it is possible to skip the message about diving for interesting stuff. See Acryte's walkthrough. This saves about seven seconds. Get the 20 Rupees for fishing from Mido's house on your way out of the forest.
Posted: 4/30/2006 5:45 AM
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Please reupload it. The lack of a "soft reset" is simply an excuse; there are ways around this problem. In a test run, one could simply die and continue to keep the movie in one piece. If it comes down to it, we'll make a save state for each segment. I really don't think Acryte is serious about doing this, so anybody else who's interested should go for it. Just be sure to keep up with all the tricks on SpeedDemosArchive, and release frequent test runs so that in case you miss a timesaver we can give you a heads-up about it.
Posted: 4/30/2006 1:57 AM
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Please use Mupen64... How do you even record on Proj64 anyway?
Posted: 4/27/2006 11:40 PM
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There isn't that big of a difference between the time and score attacks (since time is factored into your score). And low score is just stupid IMHO.
Posted: 4/27/2006 4:17 PM
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Well, go for the score attack and aim as high as possible (including the bonus rounds). I'd love to see it.
Posted: 4/18/2006 1:24 AM
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Well, Acryte needs it for his OoT run >_>
Posted: 4/17/2006 9:25 PM
Post subject: OoT - How to reset?
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How do you save and reset while recording a movie? Doing so is necessary for the optimal time.
Posted: 4/12/2006 9:19 PM
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As I said, these are computer-generated stats. I will leave out the 100-coin stars next time. But the Secret Aquarium, Secret Slide, Chip Off Whomp's Block, and Snowman's Big Head are clearly not optimized.
Posted: 4/12/2006 5:34 PM
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Those are computer generated stats. All I do is type in the start/end frame numbers for each star. The script computes everything else for me. Star times are taken from http://www.student.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~cbright/sm64/startimescomp.html The hex editing for Secret Aquarium should be done ASAP.
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