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Posted: 11/18/2011 10:39 PM
(Edited: 11/18/2011 11:26 PM)

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rchokler

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Here is the link for the replacement file: http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/get/923605221/rchokler-puzznic.fm2

Posted: 11/18/2011 10:30 PM
(Edited: 11/18/2011 10:47 PM)

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rchokler

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For the glitch that I mentioned on 4-10, it also occurs on level 13-10 with a 12 block combo, saving 22 frames. You can see both in this latest run. The only suspect I didn't yet rule out for this glitch is moving a block on the last frame before the clearing of the combo initiates as this is the case in both occurrences of the glitch.

Posted: 11/18/2011 6:14 PM

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Here is the link. Hopefully this link works as I tried to put one in the submission text and the link was broken so i removed it. C:\Users\Roman\Downloads\submission3364\rchokler-puzznic.fm2.zip

Posted: 11/18/2011 6:10 PM

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I tried to post a link to the new version of the run but the link didn't work so I am trying it in this message post. C:\Users\Roman\Downloads\submission3364\rchokler-puzznic.fm2.zip

Posted: 11/18/2011 3:29 PM

Post subject: Replacingan input file.

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rchokler

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I already finished making that file. However, I posted that I need help with handing it in. I was then given a link to microstorage.php where I placed the new file so the file replacement will likely happen soon.

Posted: 11/18/2011 2:34 AM

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Feos, If you see two duplicate encodes, that is because I wasn't immediately sure if the earlier attempt succeeded. In that case you can remove the duplicate copy.

Posted: 11/17/2011 8:51 PM

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I just finished making final adjustments to my TAS, but don't know how I can attach it so that a moderator would be able to replace the file. Could I get some help? I really don't want to cancel another submission. Anyways, the new version is 104737, which is 321 frames (5.3 seconds) faster.

Posted: 11/17/2011 2:10 PM

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I noticed that the game has an exception to the 22-frame rule that Nitrodon mentioned. The rule seems to only apply if there are at least 4 blocks of the same type being cleared as a part of a massive combo. I will double check this with the other levels where I form massive combos that don't include 4+ blocks of one type. For an illustration, see the run of level 4-10 which is the earliest case of this exception. In it I clear 11 blocks in a combo, but it takes only 57 frames (minimum number for block clearing events) rather than 57+22=79 frames expected for the 10-14 block range. The cursor doesn't even have any block selected during the clearing. The blocks include 5 types consisting of one triple plus four pairs.

Posted: 11/16/2011 10:10 PM

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Never mind, there were 8 blocks being destroyed in the combo of level 3-6, not 10.

Posted: 11/16/2011 10:09 PM

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Interestingly, I noticed that the block you hold doesn't have to be one of those being cleared to save the 22 frames. Level 3-6 demonstrates this.

Posted: 11/16/2011 9:52 PM

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To Spikestuff. I will try to update this submission to make some improvements suggested to me by Nitrodon. You may want to hold off on the encoding until that update.

Posted: 11/16/2011 9:23 PM

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I'll test the second suggestons and have the moderator replace the zip file in my submission in the next few days. Thank's Nitrodon, and I give you credit for this analysis.

Posted: 11/16/2011 9:16 PM

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Also, the 47 frame cost only applies if the last destruction is a combo, as you regain control after each combo right as the bubbly score number starts to rise rather than when it dissapears 47 frames later.

Posted: 11/16/2011 9:13 PM

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For the combo part, the 47 frames cost is in the rising bubbling score number, since the destruction of blocks is 58 frames minimum (for up to 5 blocks). So if you save one destruction with minimal extra manipulation, it can save a few frames. On the other hand, having much larger numbers of blocks destroyed is good speed-entertainment tradeoff, where some speed sacrifice is used to create a more entertaining result.

Posted: 11/16/2011 7:40 PM

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Well, in the case of Puzznic, the input density is very high during each level's solution, and there are a number of patterns that I had to learn to allow for quick copying and pasting. Of course alot of analysis went in to find the right input sequences and there were many dead ends encountered during the creation of this TAS and many times where I tested multiple options for the order in which blocks should be moved by the cursor and picking the fastest option. This TAS proved very doable using regular text editing because all inputs except for the speeding through the intermissions were movements of a cursor and the blocks, so it wasn't too hard to keep track of the future positions in my head for the next 15-20 frames before testing the input to make sure it behaves as desired. This would be very difficult to do in most other games because there would be too many elements that move at rates of 1 pixel per frame (e.g. super mario 1).