Topic by HHS

Posted: 12/25/2013 1:46 PM

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HHS

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Alpha beta pruning has no relevance to TASing, as there is only one player. Perhaps you meant A*?

Posted: 12/26/2013 11:01 AM

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arandomgameTASer

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wicked wrote:

I just missed the explanatioan i cant find anymore How is the battles avoided? What comand is used to get that error message, and win the battle without fighting?

You mean how is he creating the error message to destroy the game? http://www.antd.org/final-fantasy-vii/the-emerald-glitch-final-fantasy-vii/ Basically, he confuses the game into loading incorrect values, into a new game. Doing that allows him to completely break battles.

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Posted: 1/15/2014 1:50 PM

Post subject: Hmm, someone start TASing this

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antd

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The good news: I got accepted to study at the University of Cambridge. The bad news: Thus, I will not have time to work on this for the foreseeable future. Someone should probably start work on this fantastic game! All known tricks/glitches are (should be) public and fully explained. BrutalAl knows more about this game than anyone else, so probably you should find a way to contact him if you need further assistance.

Posted: 6/8/2014 4:33 AM

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flashthe

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are these skips available on playstation emulator? https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/final_fantasy_vii_158.html

Posted: 6/8/2014 4:49 AM

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arandomgameTASer

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PC only.

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Posted: 7/5/2014 8:37 AM

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So, I was thinking of picking this game up and made a quick TAS Test. Link to video Now, if you compare it with antd's movie you'll see a big problem. Despite being faster in every single fight I'm behind by a lot of seconds. The reason is that PSCX is faster than Psxjin in almost every single way. The intro is way faster, the dialog loads faster, exiting a battle is way faster. So which one is accurate ? Should I stick to Psxjin and have a slower time than possible. Should I switch to PCSX even if I don't like it ? Can somebody make a fix so Psxjin loads everything as fast as in PCSX ?

Posted: 7/5/2014 9:10 AM

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Play on the version that is easier for you to TAS in. Differences in timing due to version differences/emulator differences/language differences that only change lag/loading/etc are ignored by TASVideos judges when deciding if a movie is faster or not (e.g. if the meat of the gameplay is faster, it's faster)

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Posted: 7/5/2014 1:49 PM

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PSXjin is more accurate PCSX-rr is less accurate Hmm... PShawk! (Bizhawk PS1 (when it comes out)) P:

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Posted: 7/5/2014 3:12 PM

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Spikestuff wrote:

PSXjin is more accurate PCSX-rr is less accurate

Honestly, they both suck. You're gonna have your share of problem with either one. If you think that pcsxrr is going to be more comfortable on the long run, I'll suggest to test if the switch-cd feature work fine at first, so you don't have bad surprise later. You can probably load a memory card from some else game to test those part.

Posted: 7/5/2014 3:28 PM

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Spikestuff wrote:

PSXjin is more accurate PCSX-rr is less accurate

Elaborate.

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Posted: 7/5/2014 7:19 PM

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arandomgameTASer

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Glad to see someone interested in this game! It's looking good so far.

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Posted: 7/6/2014 1:49 AM

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Bloody hell; what ever you do don't go with the emulator that adds that annoying noise to the reactor escape. It is worse than the 'you are low on hearts' beep in Zelda.

Posted: 7/11/2014 3:35 AM

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Lord_Bahamut

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Paused wrote:

Bloody hell; what ever you do don't go with the emulator that adds that annoying noise to the reactor escape. It is worse than the 'you are low on hearts' beep in Zelda.

I was about to call you a baby because it's not that bad, but then I watched Lil Gecko's video... Holy moley. I laughed too hard at the sound though, then recorded a few seconds of it on my phone to use as an alarm tone.

This guy are sick.

Posted: 7/11/2014 3:44 PM

Post subject: Don't go by my times.

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antd

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Btw, I made a huge error in my WIP run of this game; I accidentally set the battle/field/etc speeds one unit lower than maximum speed. So my times are not representative. Make sure your run is much faster! :D

Posted: 7/20/2014 2:05 PM

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Lil_Gecko

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Is it possible for antd or BrutalAl to send me the spreadsheet for when a random battle will occur please ?

Posted: 11/18/2014 3:40 PM

Post subject: late in seeing your post

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antd

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Lil_Gecko wrote:

Is it possible for antd or BrutalAl to send me the spreadsheet for when a random battle will occur please ?

Damn, I am so late in seeing your post! I'll ask the Brute for the latest version.

Posted: 11/27/2014 5:55 PM

Post subject: possible animation glitch, or possibly nothing

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antd

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I am not sure what to make of this. Just posting a recent message I received on youtube:

weird enemy miss animations So while I was fighting materia keeper(for example), he casted big horn on the middle character, and done some rather long animation that looked kinda strange. I'm just contacting you about this because you're a TAS runner and you know about ram manipulation when it comes to FF7. So try to have materia keeper cast big horn(not sure if thats the weird animation I'm talking about, but I know what Hell combo looks like when it missses) and its on the middle character. It gets really weird(in my opinion). It looks like materia keeper is dancing on his TWO feet.

Posted: 12/5/2014 2:22 AM

Post subject: Re: possible animation glitch, or possibly nothing

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InfamousKnight

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antd wrote:

I am not sure what to make of this. Just posting a recent message I received on youtube:
weird enemy miss animations So while I was fighting materia keeper(for example), he casted big horn on the middle character, and done some rather long animation that looked kinda strange. I'm just contacting you about this because you're a TAS runner and you know about ram manipulation when it comes to FF7. So try to have materia keeper cast big horn(not sure if thats the weird animation I'm talking about, but I know what Hell combo looks like when it missses) and its on the middle character. It gets really weird(in my opinion). It looks like materia keeper is dancing on his TWO feet.

That was from me. Very long animation.

Posted: 12/28/2014 5:04 PM

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InfamousKnight

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I'm working on a TAS of this game.. But there is one major issue I'm having.. Using PSXjin, when I save state, the background goes black and the text looks messed up as well. Here's my config file:

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The square brackets have been removed for the post as I don't know what may happen if I left them there as the forum software uses square brackets for html coding.

Posted: 12/29/2014 9:59 AM

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Samsara

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The simplest solution would probably be to hold off on TASing the game until Bizhawk 2.0 is released with the Mednafen PSX core. Also, you can disable HTML in posts if square brackets are a huge part of that config.

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Posted: 12/29/2014 2:39 PM

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InfamousKnight

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I didn't know a new version was coming out.. Fun fact: I actually like it when the sound is all messed up. On the flip side, I am curios to know what it will sound like with the audio fixed up. Like inhumanly going through the menu. I always found that fascinating. Thanks for letting me know!

Posted: 1/15/2015 1:26 PM

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InfamousKnight

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Sorry about the double post, but I just found out an easy way to skip random battles through TAS. We all know that weird walking can get desired random battles and ambushes on some bosses, but the truth is, skipping random battles through the menu is a lot faster than weird walking is or running at that. What you do is: Make a save state, frame by frame walk until you get a random battle, once you hear the battle swirl coming in(knowing that you counted up to this point), subtract 2 frames from the number you found. And load the save state. And reach that number(the new number). Once you reach it, press and hold Triangle+Directional pad, let the menu pop up, X+Directional pad, and its gone. If that doesn't work, because sometimes you have to do it twice, then do just that, but you have to count some frames until you see the next battle, and repeat that step for the other menu skip.

Posted: 1/15/2015 2:58 PM

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I think it' a known trick but it also has serious side effects like not resetting the DangerValue and repeating the next scripted battle a second time

Posted: 1/15/2015 3:13 PM

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InfamousKnight

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As for the scripted battle issue, if that boss can be one shotted, then you might as well do that. However, that also means you have to be careful that the game won't freeze on you. You're best move at that point is to just run from the battle before the boss screen. That failing to reset danger value is news to me though.

Posted: 1/15/2015 4:58 PM

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Lil_Gecko

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Yeah it's a well-known trick. The fact that it doesn't reset the Danger value makes it sometimes not worth it. It's really case by case, that's why optimizing random encounters is such a pain. As stated by antd a few pages ago, the best way is a combination of stutter-steping, menu opening and encounter with immediate flee.