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Posted: 12/24/2011 7:07 PM
Post subject: sonic 2 perfect bonus wip1: youtube
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Felipe wrote:
Well. This is what I have prepared so far. Collect all the rings of Emerald Hill with the help of Tails (though not used much). Mostly, I worry about collecting all the rings without taking any box of 10 rings. The battle against Robotnik is as simple as hitting 8 times in the traditional way. Here is for you see my progress
Posted: 12/24/2011 7:35 PM
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Neat. Keep it up! :)
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Posted: 12/24/2011 9:45 PM
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jijijijijiji ^^ I continue in chemical plant 2 and Tails has been a great help and i have improved some movements. I will submit what I have done when finished Aquatic Ruin 1. I want to see what to do with Aquatic Ruin 2, for the reason that this area is a problem.
Posted: 12/25/2011 2:00 AM
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Yeah, that was a lot of fun to watch. Great work Felipe.
Posted: 12/25/2011 4:20 AM
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Happy Holidays to all! Here in Chile, Christmas is celebrated! Yupiiii
Posted: 12/25/2011 6:28 PM
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Keep up the good work Felipe. Very entertaining. BTW there're "pacifist" runs (no kills unless it's unavoidable) and "maximum kills" runs (get as many kills as possible). So have you considered "maximum rings" goal? You can go for maximum rings including 10 rings item boxes along with perfect bonuses where it's possible. On the other hand, Casino Night Zone requirements might be vague due to slot machines.
Posted: 12/25/2011 8:55 PM
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It's looking great so far! Also, it's been a while since I've played, but can Tails break item boxes? There were a couple of potential ring boxes that could have been broken by Tails in GHZ... but he probably can't break them
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Posted: 12/25/2011 10:44 PM
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"Maximum Rings" makes perfect sense as a goal. As for Casino Night, I would say to get a Jackpot from each slot machine and move on.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 11:04 PM
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Nah, if the Perfect Bonus doesn't require getting ring boxes, then I see no reason why he should have to go out of his way to get them.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 11:45 PM
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The problem is that, as has been stated, there are some levels where the Perfect Bonus is unattainable because of rings on a split path past a Point of No Return™, or stuck in the level geometry. So going for "Perfect Bonus" on every level doesn't work, but "Maximum Rings" does. Or you could go "Maximum Rings, No Ring Monitors" but that's getting into arbitrary distinctions.
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Posted: 12/25/2011 11:49 PM
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"Maximum on-level rings". No need for ring boxes or the CNZ slots since neither are on-level rings.
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Posted: 12/27/2011 1:15 AM
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To get a Perfect Bonus not need ring boxes. Tails, not can take these boxes ring, and in CN does not seem a good idea to use those lottery games for rings. The idea is to take the individual rings that are scattered around the map. I'm already moving toward Aquatic Ruin.
Posted: 12/27/2011 9:05 PM
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just curious: since collecting rings seems so "easy", will anyone be tempted to collect all emeralds?
Posted: 12/27/2011 9:53 PM
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janus wrote:
just curious: since collecting rings seems so "easy", will anyone be tempted to collect all emeralds?
Actually someone did, but only collects emeralds in 16min: 17sec and also not transformed into SuperSonic and only goes to fight Robotnik. Already several have said that TASVideos missing an execution for Sonic the Hedgehog 2 that collects all emeralds. Do not know if anyone will be encouraged to do work well, would have to transform to SuperSonic during the game, or those 16 minutes will have been a waste of time. Or unless that it maybe be a demostration.
Posted: 12/27/2011 10:47 PM
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Wait a second, this is a suggestion which should be evaluated carefully. PRO On one hand, collecting all the emeralds in a run where you collect all the rings might make sense. Why? Well, in a normal run you can hardly use Super Sonic because the optimal paths don't involve collecting 50 rings, but in this run you probably collect more than 50 rings in all the levels anyway, and Super Sonic's speed can provide an advantage if used at the right time in the right place. CON The ring count is reseted when you enter a lamp post, meaning that you have to waste a lot of time if you want to get all the emeralds by the end of Emerald Hill. Which, in turn, means that Emerald Hill would be extremely boring after a while. -How to dodge this use Knuckles in Sonic 2. --CON Tails isn't playable in Knuckles in Sonic 2. ---How to dodge this use a hack which allows for Knuckles + Tails ----CON it would be arbitrary SUBJECTIVE Someone might like the special stages, someone else might find them boring, especially since there are 7 of them. Maybe something funny can be achieved in 2P mode. But this excludes Knuckles in Sonic 2 again. PRO From Emerald Hill Zone onwards, however, the entertainment would be higher and unique, as it would feature Super Sonic AND the hunt for rings. Anyone else has other opinions?
Posted: 12/28/2011 12:02 AM
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Noob Irdoh wrote:
CON: The ring count is reseted when you enter a lamp post, meaning that you have to waste a lot of time if you want to get all the emeralds by the end of Emerald Hill. Which, in turn, means that Emerald Hill would be extremely boring after a while. -How to dodge this: use Knuckles in Sonic 2. --CON: Tails isn't playable in Knuckles in Sonic 2. ---How to dodge this: use a hack which allows for Knuckles + Tails ----CON: it would be arbitrary
Or you could skip the middleman, so to speak, and use a hack that makes it so rings don't reset after being in a bonus. Like you said though, arbitrary! Either way, I would absolutely love such a run. One of my sister's friends was frighteningly good at Sonic (3 + Knuckles was her game of choice) and I used to watch her play all the time. She scoured levels for rings and secrets (and of course had it all memorized) and got all emeralds and it was beautiful to watch. I feel like S2 would be no different. Goal: Plays awesomely
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Posted: 12/28/2011 1:25 AM
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That idea is not bad Noob Irdoh. Although I did not like at all the point in "CON". In TAS would not be very accepted a race where: at the beginning is boring and then it gets fun. Besides you have to collect 50 rings 7 times and then return to start the whole level to collect them all. This strategy is similar to the 2 videos that i shows the beginning of this post. I finished with chemical plant zone 2 (2:21 -> 2:06) an improvement of 15 sec. And now i continue with aquatic ruin. If you want, I can show you what I have done so far.
Posted: 12/28/2011 2:56 AM
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there is a video on youtube of someone getting all the emeralds in 20 minutes, and it was most probably NOT done in a TAS manner. I suppose it could be cut at least in half, and since you can get ring boxes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkEIkTZkXRI&feature=related
Posted: 12/28/2011 3:53 AM
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Felipe wrote:
Although I did not like at all the point in "CON".
You are not supposed to like them. That is a list of bad things. Good things are listed as "PRO". I was trying to find out if there are more good things or more bad things. On yet another hand, all rings + all emeralds (+ all monitors? + all badniks?) = "100%" run. We would have the branch name too. Maybe I'm just dreaming too much.
Posted: 12/28/2011 10:44 AM
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what about breakable items. some of them respawn (the rocks in hill top zone) as do one or two ring boxes. also, why do you have to collect all the emeralds by the end of emerald hill, couldn't you space them out a bit and make it more entertaining? I think this would be the fastest way as well.
Posted: 12/28/2011 1:38 PM
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Noob Irdoh wrote:
On yet another hand, all rings + all emeralds (+ all monitors? + all badniks?) = "100%" run. We would have the branch name too.
I think you're going too far. Not Even in Sonic 3 & Knuckles do much for a 100% run.
Posted: 12/28/2011 7:59 PM
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@Janus. You do realize that the subject of a "All Emeralds" run happened quite a long while ago? It got shunned for taking too long but it's still worth a look at just to see the potential use of tails getting Emeralds.
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Posted: 12/28/2011 8:31 PM
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yes, I figured that the subject must have been talked about for a long time. but with the "perfect ring" run, it makes its realization more realistic
Posted: 12/28/2011 9:27 PM
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Post subject: all emeralds: youtube + video file
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Link to video video file (lossless x264, 242 MB) http://www.multiupload.com/76TCE2RHX2
DDRKhat wrote:
You do realize that the subject of a "All Emeralds" run happened quite a long while ago? It got shunned for taking too long but it's still worth a look at just to see the potential use of tails getting Emeralds.
Posted: 12/28/2011 9:35 PM
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Here i have finished with chemical plant. And I say that has not been an easy job. This time more re-records, i had sought more optimal ways to more easily run the area. However, he managed to make it faster and with Tails, I saved time. I take certain techniques known in the turns 360 degrees to gain more speed. This time, I found a way to improve the way back to take the 4 rings that are on the lower level of the level. Well, I did not have many ideas to make this more fun, because in the battle against Robotnik, I had to prioritize the speed rather than entertainment, but had lost much time. I hope you know understand it.
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